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Am I the Asshole for being upset that my stepdaughter came on our anniversary camping trip and ended up ruining the weekend?

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Lollylucyclark101 · Yesterday 18:27

I want to start by saying that I’m a stepmum, and I’ve been in my stepdaughter’s life for nearly 11 years. She was three years old when I met her, and she’ll be turning 14 in November.

I have a very good relationship with her mum, and I do a lot for my stepdaughter. I take her to and from school twice a week, cook for her, do her washing, clean her bedroom, look after her when she’s ill, and generally do all the things a parent would do. I also have an 18-year-old son. My stepdaughter comes everywhere with us—shopping trips, the cinema, family days out. We rarely get weekends to ourselves because she’s usually with us, and I’ve never had a problem with that because I genuinely love her.

Every year, my husband and I celebrate our anniversary with a trip to the Lake District. This year was supposed to be no different. However, earlier this year we found out we were going to be made homeless, so we had to cancel both a planned family holiday. All of our money had to go towards moving costs, deposits, rent, and setting up a new home.

We still have a couples holiday booked for September to celebrate ten years together and two years of marriage, but our usual anniversary trip to the Lake District had to be cancelled. Instead, we decided on a simple two-night camping trip. The plan was for it to be just me and my husband.

As soon as my stepdaughter found out, she was furious. She felt it was unfair that we were going away when she hadn’t had a holiday herself and insisted she should come too. (Despite her already going away with her mom twice this year, and another break planned in August) Honestly, I didn’t want her to come….. and we didn’t invite my son.

There is one day out of the entire year that I feel should just be for me and my husband. However, my husband thought it wouldn’t be a big deal and said we should take her.

So we did.

That meant buying an extra airbed, packing more food, and accommodating her gluten-free diet. On the day we left, I gave her a backpack and asked her to pack a couple of days’ worth of clothes, plus essentials like deodorant, a toothbrush, and a hairbrush.

She came downstairs with three overstuffed bags full of clothes that had simply been thrown in. I ended up unpacking everything, folding it properly, and repacking it all into one bag myself…… with her being argumentative and rude as I didn’t it, trying to explain it would all fit. I also had to remind her multiple times to get her toiletries…. Which she didn’t do, so had to use all of mine….. (which meant her diving into bags that were not hers, moving and loosing things whilst we were there, and generally making a mess with the bags)

Fifteen minutes into the journey, she announced she was hungry….. this is despite her eating before we left and her having snacks for the journey……. She got rude and argumentative, until we said she had to wait an hour. We stopped at services for food and to walk the dog, where she decided she needed to empty the car to find the hairbrush she didn’t bring.

When we arrived at the campsite, she refused to help put up the tent or unload the car, and when she was wanted to do was explore…… all fine…..but there’s no need for the attitude. All she wanted to do was wander around with the dog. There were sheep in nearby fields, so I specifically told her not to take the dog up there and not to wander off.

For the first two days, the dog was perfect. He was off-lead the entire time, ignored the sheep completely, and stayed close to us. He is well trained and has specific commands, all of which he immediately responds to.

The first night, she complained about sleeping alone in the tent, despite us explaining before we left, and when we initially invited her; that she and the dog would be in the tent while my husband and I slept in the car.

She complained about the food (BBQ), the ants, the spiders, the sheep poo, the midges….. everything that I had warned her about BEFORE WE LEFT.

The next morning, instead of getting dressed and helping us get ready for the day, she disappeared to the lake with the dog because she wanted to go swimming….. she didn’t ask and for a few mins we didn’t know where she or the dog was! We were literally trying to detach the tent, get dressed and leave for the day, and she simply ignored what we’d asked her to do….. and when she came back it was “oh sorry, I didn’t know” (and I’m like YEA YOU DID!)

She was fine in the local town and beach because it’s what SHE wanted to do. Usually we would have just hiked with the dog all day, but she complained about us wanting to do that too, so we didn’t.

The second night cooler and was windy and rainy. She was perfectly safe in the tent but decided she no longer wanted to sleep there at about 3 am, screaming (instead of just knocking the rear window of the car) and waking up the whole campsite…..she wanted to sleep in the car with us instead. So all three of us ended up squeezed into a Volkswagen Passat on an airbed.

Nobody could move. It was hot and she spent the next hour complaining that she was too hot and didn’t have enough room, that she was uncomfortable…….Eventually I completely lost my patience, got up, and tried to leave to sleep in the tent with the dog instead. Only then did my husband offer to move.

By the final morning, everyone was exhausted. I was trying not to loose my temper, but everything I asked her to do was “why can’t you? or “I’m not doing that”….. when I specifically to help us pack up her things and put everything in one area ready to load into the car, she again complained she didn’t have room for everything in her one bag abs threw it on the floor saying “well you do it then”……..

Instead, she wandered off again with the dog, whilst we were distracted.

The dog followed her towards the area where the sheep were. This time, he decided to chase them. The moment I shouted for him, he stopped immediately and came running back to me and i immediately put him in the car.

My stepdaughter came back saying she didn’t understand why he’d done it and that she’d been telling him to stop but he wasn’t listening.

At that point, I completely lost my temper and I really, REALLY shouted at her. I told her that farmers are legally entitled to protect their livestock and that the dog could have been shot dead because she ignored my repeated instructions. I had specifically told her not to go up that part of the camp. She kept blaming the dog and saying it wasn’t her fault.

The dog had behaved perfectly for two days. He had not been on a lead the entire time and if I saw his focus drifting, he was recalled and refocused on his ball or food or something else It was only when she wandered off up near the sheep because SHE wanted to “catch” one, that there was a problem.

The entire drive home, I barely spoke. I was upset, frustrated, and honestly resentful. My husband has told me I’m being too harsh and that I need to let it go and she understands.

My husband DID tell her off each with each incident (so did I in my interactions with her), so we arnt letting her get away with it.

My view is that she shouldn’t have been on the trip in the first place, that the whole point was for my husband and me to spend some time together, and that her behaviour throughout the weekend made what was supposed to be our anniversary trip stressful and unenjoyable and the incident with the dog just was the icing on the cake. She’s nearly 14. Big enough to follow instructions.

Safe to say she won’t be coming with me again. I’d rather not go than take her again. My husband thinks I’m being silly.

OP posts:
Ewock · Yesterday 20:38

AtIusvue · Yesterday 20:17

A 14 yr old girl should NOT have been in the tent by herself. She should have had the car that can lock from the inside.

The rest is boring teenage antics. The OP was looking for an excuse to be pissed off that she was coming ….thats pretty easy to do when it’s a 14yr old involved! They’re annoying. So you got your wish OP.

She wasn't in a tent alone. The op has explained that numerous times. But I used to sleep in a 2 man next to our camper when I was that age, as not big enough for us all.

Laiste · Yesterday 20:38

Why would she have had only to ''knock on the door of the boot'' (your words in OP) to wake you, instead of shouting, if the tent was on the car and the car door was open?

Isittimeformynapyet · Yesterday 20:38

Lollylucyclark101 · Yesterday 20:33

It was a car tent attached to the rear of the vehicle so no one was alone.

i never ruined anything 🤣🤦🏻‍♀️

been camping plenty of times without either child and had a lovely time. Yes I shouted at her. That’s what you’re supposed to do as a parent.

Just give up on this thread OP, it's not worth it.

Look at the voting - it's well in your favour.

At this point you're just banging your head against a brick wall.

EmeraldShamrock000 · Yesterday 20:39

Lollylucyclark101 · Yesterday 20:33

It was a car tent attached to the rear of the vehicle so no one was alone.

i never ruined anything 🤣🤦🏻‍♀️

been camping plenty of times without either child and had a lovely time. Yes I shouted at her. That’s what you’re supposed to do as a parent.

Take responsibility for your part in creating a stressful situation. Or should I shout it at you so you understand, like you shouted at DSD?

Lollylucyclark101 · Yesterday 20:40

MyEasterBonnet · Yesterday 19:44

Well if the point is moot that the sheep didn’t know the dog was there, your whole point about the dog is moot as nothing happened and it didn’t get shot, so why are you mad at her for something that could have happened when you won’t accept responsibility yourself for something that could have happened?

This makes no sense.

OP posts:
somanychristmaslights · Yesterday 20:40

She sounds like a bit of a princess. Why are you cleaning her bedroom? She would have pissed me right off too. Next time make sure DH does not come invite her if it had been decided it’s just you two.

FlockofSquirrels · Yesterday 20:40

There is one day out of the entire year that I feel should just be for me and my husband. However, my husband thought it wouldn’t be a big deal and said we should take her.

So we did.

This is where the two adults involved set everyone up for failure. Honestly the rest of this was utterly predictable. If you bring a young teen on a trip with you it is a family trip and everyone involved needs to be planning for and treating it as a family trip. You wanted a couples trip and never embraced the idea of a family trip, so your step-daughter was an unwanted inconvenience from the beginning. She pushed back (in a predictable way for a 14 year-old who is perhaps rather indulged normally) by being more inconvenient, being argumentative and whiny when you wanted her to go be quiet and give you couple time then wandering off at the moments you wanted her to help. And every bit of this just ratcheted up your anger because you didn't want her there to begin with. And yet you and your DH are entirely responsible for her being there.

I get it, she was angry and indignant that the two of you were going without her. She's fourteen - she naturally tends towards being self-centred, prone to making a big deal out of things, and putting feelings (how dare they not invite me!) over logic (actually, camping doesn't sound like my idea of a fun weekend and I'm going to be miserable). That's why she has parents who are supposed to be able to make wise decisions for themselves and the family and stand by them instead of letting a child's feelings control the family.

As for the dog... you knew he only listens to you and didn't trust your SD to keep him safe an out of areas he wasn't supposed to be, so you should have kept him with you. Your SD is accountable for going up towards the sheep after being told not to but you as his adult owner also need to take responsibility for letting your dog wander away from you after your SD.

Wdutua · Yesterday 20:42

She is obnoxious, as a lot of young teenagers are. All you and DH wanted was some time away together. I feel for you both.

DH will have to deal with this manipulative behaviour or it will seriously escalate. She is trying to make your DH choose her or you. Some young females do this even with their own parents.

cranberryhaddock · Yesterday 20:43

takealettermsjones · Yesterday 18:54

You're skating over the massive (to a teenager) bit where you had to cancel the family holiday because of money, but you still kept the two holidays you're going on with just your husband and you. I think that was selfish, as was your decision to make her sleep alone in the tent with the dog while you both slept in the car. If you'd agreed to her coming I don't think you can legitimately moan about having to pack extra food for her or cater for her diet, as you'd be doing that at home anyway, surely. Yes she behaved badly but so did you, and given that you're the adults, I think on the whole YABU.

Couples are entitled to do things together. Not everything has to revolve around the children, and this girl is old enough to understand that if she behaves like a brat she'll be treated like one. OP made a big sacrifice here and got it thrown back in her face.

Notasbigasithink · Yesterday 20:46

Lollylucyclark101 · Yesterday 18:27

I want to start by saying that I’m a stepmum, and I’ve been in my stepdaughter’s life for nearly 11 years. She was three years old when I met her, and she’ll be turning 14 in November.

I have a very good relationship with her mum, and I do a lot for my stepdaughter. I take her to and from school twice a week, cook for her, do her washing, clean her bedroom, look after her when she’s ill, and generally do all the things a parent would do. I also have an 18-year-old son. My stepdaughter comes everywhere with us—shopping trips, the cinema, family days out. We rarely get weekends to ourselves because she’s usually with us, and I’ve never had a problem with that because I genuinely love her.

Every year, my husband and I celebrate our anniversary with a trip to the Lake District. This year was supposed to be no different. However, earlier this year we found out we were going to be made homeless, so we had to cancel both a planned family holiday. All of our money had to go towards moving costs, deposits, rent, and setting up a new home.

We still have a couples holiday booked for September to celebrate ten years together and two years of marriage, but our usual anniversary trip to the Lake District had to be cancelled. Instead, we decided on a simple two-night camping trip. The plan was for it to be just me and my husband.

As soon as my stepdaughter found out, she was furious. She felt it was unfair that we were going away when she hadn’t had a holiday herself and insisted she should come too. (Despite her already going away with her mom twice this year, and another break planned in August) Honestly, I didn’t want her to come….. and we didn’t invite my son.

There is one day out of the entire year that I feel should just be for me and my husband. However, my husband thought it wouldn’t be a big deal and said we should take her.

So we did.

That meant buying an extra airbed, packing more food, and accommodating her gluten-free diet. On the day we left, I gave her a backpack and asked her to pack a couple of days’ worth of clothes, plus essentials like deodorant, a toothbrush, and a hairbrush.

She came downstairs with three overstuffed bags full of clothes that had simply been thrown in. I ended up unpacking everything, folding it properly, and repacking it all into one bag myself…… with her being argumentative and rude as I didn’t it, trying to explain it would all fit. I also had to remind her multiple times to get her toiletries…. Which she didn’t do, so had to use all of mine….. (which meant her diving into bags that were not hers, moving and loosing things whilst we were there, and generally making a mess with the bags)

Fifteen minutes into the journey, she announced she was hungry….. this is despite her eating before we left and her having snacks for the journey……. She got rude and argumentative, until we said she had to wait an hour. We stopped at services for food and to walk the dog, where she decided she needed to empty the car to find the hairbrush she didn’t bring.

When we arrived at the campsite, she refused to help put up the tent or unload the car, and when she was wanted to do was explore…… all fine…..but there’s no need for the attitude. All she wanted to do was wander around with the dog. There were sheep in nearby fields, so I specifically told her not to take the dog up there and not to wander off.

For the first two days, the dog was perfect. He was off-lead the entire time, ignored the sheep completely, and stayed close to us. He is well trained and has specific commands, all of which he immediately responds to.

The first night, she complained about sleeping alone in the tent, despite us explaining before we left, and when we initially invited her; that she and the dog would be in the tent while my husband and I slept in the car.

She complained about the food (BBQ), the ants, the spiders, the sheep poo, the midges….. everything that I had warned her about BEFORE WE LEFT.

The next morning, instead of getting dressed and helping us get ready for the day, she disappeared to the lake with the dog because she wanted to go swimming….. she didn’t ask and for a few mins we didn’t know where she or the dog was! We were literally trying to detach the tent, get dressed and leave for the day, and she simply ignored what we’d asked her to do….. and when she came back it was “oh sorry, I didn’t know” (and I’m like YEA YOU DID!)

She was fine in the local town and beach because it’s what SHE wanted to do. Usually we would have just hiked with the dog all day, but she complained about us wanting to do that too, so we didn’t.

The second night cooler and was windy and rainy. She was perfectly safe in the tent but decided she no longer wanted to sleep there at about 3 am, screaming (instead of just knocking the rear window of the car) and waking up the whole campsite…..she wanted to sleep in the car with us instead. So all three of us ended up squeezed into a Volkswagen Passat on an airbed.

Nobody could move. It was hot and she spent the next hour complaining that she was too hot and didn’t have enough room, that she was uncomfortable…….Eventually I completely lost my patience, got up, and tried to leave to sleep in the tent with the dog instead. Only then did my husband offer to move.

By the final morning, everyone was exhausted. I was trying not to loose my temper, but everything I asked her to do was “why can’t you? or “I’m not doing that”….. when I specifically to help us pack up her things and put everything in one area ready to load into the car, she again complained she didn’t have room for everything in her one bag abs threw it on the floor saying “well you do it then”……..

Instead, she wandered off again with the dog, whilst we were distracted.

The dog followed her towards the area where the sheep were. This time, he decided to chase them. The moment I shouted for him, he stopped immediately and came running back to me and i immediately put him in the car.

My stepdaughter came back saying she didn’t understand why he’d done it and that she’d been telling him to stop but he wasn’t listening.

At that point, I completely lost my temper and I really, REALLY shouted at her. I told her that farmers are legally entitled to protect their livestock and that the dog could have been shot dead because she ignored my repeated instructions. I had specifically told her not to go up that part of the camp. She kept blaming the dog and saying it wasn’t her fault.

The dog had behaved perfectly for two days. He had not been on a lead the entire time and if I saw his focus drifting, he was recalled and refocused on his ball or food or something else It was only when she wandered off up near the sheep because SHE wanted to “catch” one, that there was a problem.

The entire drive home, I barely spoke. I was upset, frustrated, and honestly resentful. My husband has told me I’m being too harsh and that I need to let it go and she understands.

My husband DID tell her off each with each incident (so did I in my interactions with her), so we arnt letting her get away with it.

My view is that she shouldn’t have been on the trip in the first place, that the whole point was for my husband and me to spend some time together, and that her behaviour throughout the weekend made what was supposed to be our anniversary trip stressful and unenjoyable and the incident with the dog just was the icing on the cake. She’s nearly 14. Big enough to follow instructions.

Safe to say she won’t be coming with me again. I’d rather not go than take her again. My husband thinks I’m being silly.

You have a husband problem not a a DSD problem.
Time and time again on MN you see thread after thread of the dad not setting clear boundaries and parenting his children. This behaviour was not unique to the holiday, she is becoming an entitled, spoilt bratt who thinks she can act how she likes and speak to anyone like a piece of shit on her shoe. It'll ruin your relationship once the resentment sets in, trust me!

cranberryhaddock · Yesterday 20:47

pickalillyspooon · Yesterday 20:21

What do you mean by AI help, please?

Some people on here seem to think no one's capable of setting out long scenarios without resorting to ChatGPT. Despite the fact that people have been perfectly capable of writing without it for the whole of human history. 🙄

Baffy · Yesterday 20:51

Totally understand why you were furious. Key is how to put this behind you now and not keep letting it bother you.

Easier said than done! Let yourself be angry for a while, it's all valid, and then make a plan so that you don't ever end up in the situation again!

RudolphTheReindeer · Yesterday 20:52

Lollylucyclark101 · Yesterday 20:28

I never said they were in a nearby field?

we were in a field. There were 4 sheep at the far end that wandered in from a neighbouring field. The field was massive. We were down the opposite end and if you had wanted to walk to the other end it would have taken 10 minutes. The dog was down in our little corner off lead with no issues for 2 days.

the dog didn’t wander off the daughter did and he followed her . We told her NOT TO WANDER OFF as there were sheep in the field and she ignored our instructions.
She wandered off literature as we were unhooking the tent off the back of the car and by that point t she was halfway up the field with the dog and he obviously went from there. I shouted his command and he came straight back at a run and she came back about 5 minutes later.

Your first post literally says 'there were sheep in nearby fields'

worldshottestmom · Yesterday 20:56

SeaShellsSanctuary1 · Yesterday 18:33

Thank god you didn't go for a week, I've got a hair appointment on Friday

Crying

worldshottestmom · Yesterday 20:57

I mean this wouldn't of happened in the first place if your DH wasn't such a doormat; put his foot down and told her she wasn't coming in the first place. She had already been on holiday and is going on another. I would of said that and that would of been the end of it. Jfc. I'd be more annoyed at him.

YourPoliteTurtle · Yesterday 20:59

Isittimeformynapyet · Yesterday 20:30

It wasn't a separate tent! How many times does the OP need to say it?!

maybe the OP should have mentioned it in the actual OP, instead of changing the story quite a bit after

The first night, she complained about sleeping alone in the tent, despite us explaining before we left, and when we initially invited her; that she and the dog would be in the tent while my husband and I slept in the car.

takealettermsjones · Yesterday 21:00

cranberryhaddock · Yesterday 20:43

Couples are entitled to do things together. Not everything has to revolve around the children, and this girl is old enough to understand that if she behaves like a brat she'll be treated like one. OP made a big sacrifice here and got it thrown back in her face.

Of course they are, and children are renowned for only seeing things from their perspective. In this case, to the child, her holiday got cancelled but the two she was barred from did not.

From what she's written it doesn't really sound like any major sacrifices were made for the child. It reads to me like the Dursleys grudgingly taking Harry Potter to the zoo because the neighbour broke her leg!

YourPoliteTurtle · Yesterday 21:02

Lollylucyclark101 · Yesterday 20:33

It was a car tent attached to the rear of the vehicle so no one was alone.

i never ruined anything 🤣🤦🏻‍♀️

been camping plenty of times without either child and had a lovely time. Yes I shouted at her. That’s what you’re supposed to do as a parent.

it's funny how you are rewriting the story as you go on

THESE were your words to start

The first night, she complained about sleeping alone in the tent, despite us explaining before we left, and when we initially invited her; that she and the dog would be in the tent while my husband and I slept in the car.

You are not a parent, why are you shouting at that poor kid?

No the real question, why did you take her if you were so angry about it and the whole thing was going to be a disaster anyway

Soulhorse · Yesterday 21:04

Does she live with you op? When does she see her mum?

Weedingtodo · Yesterday 21:06

Lollylucyclark101 · Yesterday 20:30

It was a CAR TENT. Attached to the rear of the vehicle with the boot lid open. No one was alone. If I shuck my hand out of the car it would have been on her head.

there was NOONE ELSE in the field.

But you said in your first post that her screaming was waking up the whole campsite??

You keep changing the story!

PenelopePinkerton · Yesterday 21:08

Your DH is a fool for saying she could come.

AlternateLook · Yesterday 21:08

It was only a matter of time before the MegaMums on here descended on the poor OP to give her a good kicking. This place never changes....

JLou08 · Yesterday 21:08

She got told off by her dad and you. You have an anniversary trip in September. Probably best to just move on. It sounds like a crap weekend but it's not worth continuing resentment and stress.

YourPoliteTurtle · Yesterday 21:11

AlternateLook · Yesterday 21:08

It was only a matter of time before the MegaMums on here descended on the poor OP to give her a good kicking. This place never changes....

but the OP's story keep changing

that might have something to do with it?

FlockofSquirrels · Yesterday 21:11

worldshottestmom · Yesterday 20:57

I mean this wouldn't of happened in the first place if your DH wasn't such a doormat; put his foot down and told her she wasn't coming in the first place. She had already been on holiday and is going on another. I would of said that and that would of been the end of it. Jfc. I'd be more annoyed at him.

I agree, but OP is in the boat with DH on that one. OP didn't want her there, expected having her there was going to be unpleasant for everyone, and said ok anyways. Neither one wanted to be the person to say "no, this is an anniversary trip for us to have alone time as a couple and that's not possible to do with a teenager there" and stand by their decision. Passivity doesn't absolve adults from responsibility.

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