AIBU to ask tenants to move before or after new baby?

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We are landlords and have a property that our son would like to move into at some point in the next year. Our current tenants have a toddler and have just told me that they are expecting another baby in November.

If you were the tenant, would you prefer to have to move out whilst pregnant or with a young baby. I know it’s not great timing for them either way, but which would you say would be easier? We can wait a while as long as my son is moved in this time next year, but then they would have a toddler and six month old baby, so it may be easier to do it sooner with just a toddler?

They’ve been good tenants so I would like to cause them the least stress possible.

Sorry forgot to make boring make sense

YABU - Get them to move before the new baby arrives

YANBU - Get them to move after the new baby arrives

And they get the deposit from…….?

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babies don’t arrive with the stork, if you can’t save £5000 over nine months between two working adult adults you really shouldn’t be allowed to be in charge of an infant.

rwht around here 1500 and with council tax and bill. There is a very good chance peoples outgoings are over 2k a month.

it can be very difficult for people to save.

Gosh. If you’re so blind to reality then you shouldn’t be posting. Many, many people have £0 to put upfront, never mind £1000sss

‘In charge of an infant’ needs a house because…?

You’re of the opinion that babies don’t need anywhere to live ?

I’m sure there’s 1 million problems that you can find for every solution offered. But if a couple cannot find £277 per month of disposable income on the take-home pay of minimum wage which I believe is £1900 after tax.
So £3800 minimum between them
And they can’t cobble together 555 quid then the bad parents and they shouldn’t be parents
But most importantly, they’re making their own lives difficult and it’s not the OP’s problem or any other landlords

That’s 1800 disposable income after bills
Put the vape’s away, stop drinking and you’ll soon be able to cobble it together
As two single working adult adults with no other expenses because you’re doing this before you have children remember

we are on more then that at the moment.
i don’t smoke
i don’t drink
I also rarely hug myself clothes or go out out, get my done etc

stilll wouldn’t be able to afford a mortgage. Would definitely not been able to when I had no kids either.

You need to go and see a Mortgage Advisor then cause I can assure you you most definitely could afford a Mortgage
But you’ll have to make sacrifices along the way and you’re probably not up for that

I can see that people are arguing with each other over the rights and wrongs of landlords but just a quick update for anyone interested.

I went to see my tenants and they were absolutely fine about it. It turns out they are planning to move closer to one of their sets of parents soon so that they can help with childcare when their baby is born. They have already started to look at properties so were going to give their notice soon anyway. I feel really relieved.

There is a chance that they can move into a bigger property, a 4 bed, within a couple of weeks and I’ve agreed that if that’s possible, they should go for it.

Thanks everyone!

Glad it has worked out well for you and for your tenants. OP I think you did exactly the right thing by talking to them and by allowing them to move as soon as it suits them. Great result all round.

Sounds perfect for everyone then!

We're obviously coming at this from different angles. You believe that security is only 'earned' if you own a property. I disagree and don't see at all why that has to be true. I'm not saying landlords should be restricted or unable to deal with bad tenants, but I think 'I want to do something else with my investment now' isn't more important than the fact it's someone else's home. It's a policy choice that doesn't exist to this degree in other countries. I'm sure renters rights will be rolled back again, anyway, in the coming years, so I wouldn't worry.

Tell them now to give them plenty of time to prepare for the move. I would give them 6 months notice.

RTFT.

MYOB.

I am not worried either, but when you see how many landlords are selling , or simply keeping the property empty, and how harder is it to find a rental already, I think the ones who will lose out are not the landlords.

Being a landlord if you are unable to sell and adapt to your life circumstances only works for the really wealthy.

Being a tenant has so many positives, it's cheeky to expect to have all the positives of being the owner as well, but without any of the negatives.

I don't think tenants cheekily expect all the benefits of ownership, but I do think if we have a huge population of tenants in this country, they should be able to expect long-term security. Having a secure home is a pretty fundamental 'human right', surely, and if the UK can't get its act together sufficinetly to make home-ownership possible for all (which wasn't even so much of a national obsession until Thatcher!), then it needs to sort out the system so renters can have this right, too.

Renters are not failures or wasters. Many (increasinly young people, and plenty of decent earners) have been let down by the shit system we are running.

A renter should not be going into the transaction with the attitude of 'It's mine now and they can't do what they want with the place anymore'.

Honestly, I am shocked at the entitlement of people.

Let them make the decision - communicate with them the timescales and give them the option to either get out early before the baby arrives (without any penalties) or to stay until the very last day if that is what they want.

Same, but the other way around.

but no one is saying renters are failure!

Renting is very often a choice, made to suit circumstances at that time. Nothing wrong with renting.

But it's unrealistic to expect long-term security and many tenants would NOT be stuck in a rental agreement giving the landlord the same "long-term security".
Renters have all the rights they need, but landlords need rights too.

Do you think any renters, who are so minded to want indefinite tenancies, should be entitled to that? How can we faciliate that?

Imagine the banking system collapsed, and there were no more mortgages and no home ownership. How would the country ensure people had stable homes?

The statistics are very clear that many, many families are stuck in the private rental market.

It's really not the case that renting is an active choice for everyone, and the fact that it is for some isn't a justification to allow for harmful rental practices.

There should be better access to these long term tenancies as there are just so many now who won't be able to achieve home ownership.

The problem is the private rental market is the primary source of properties for people outside of home ownership. Getting on the ladder is genuinely unobtainable, so we need ways to make rent work.

I rent, but I rent from a housing association so I don't have to worry about someone wanting their house back so their son can live it. I can decorate it and maintain it how I want within reason.

So many families do not have that security, and given how many families do have to try and raise their children purely through private rent, not to mention people without children who want a secure home, we should be doing so much more to ensure secure homes are available.