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Heatwave water deaths - campaign required

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aurpod1980 · Today 06:56

I saw the tragic news of two more lives lost in the heatwave, in water.

I believe there needs to be some sort of National campaign to warn people of the dangers of open water on hot days - or any day.

so many lives lost.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0p7j3lwepo

Search and rescue teams at the side of a pond

Teenage boys die in Kent and Oxford in latest heatwave water deaths

The body of a boy is recovered from a pond in Kent, while another teen dies in the River Thames in Oxford.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0p7j3lwepo

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StillAGoth · Today 09:18

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · Today 09:05

I dare say that in some schools it’s a cultural thing. The parents can’t swim, the mothers would never want to be seen in a swimming costume and are nervous of the water anyway, so kids are never taken to a public pool.

Yes, I know there are also native British families where the parents never learned to swim, so are unlikely to take their dcs as a family activity. Plus there’s the expense factor, and non-school swimming lessons aren’t cheap.

My Gdcs’ primary provides swimming lessons in year 3, but IIRC they continue after Y3 only for those who still can’t swim to a certain standard.

The NC requires us to teach children to swim 25m unaided and without stopping. But we only have a very limited amount of time in the curriculum to do this. It's covered in PE in year 3 but it's not the only thing we have to teach in PE in year 3.

As with every area of learning in school, some children will meet the expectation in the timeframe allowed, some will exceed it and some won't meet it. The children who meet and exceed it are usually the childen whose parents take them swimming outside of school. It's unusual for a child who has never been taken swimming by parents to achieve the 25m. Some childen come into year 3 never having been in a swimming pool before.

It's also a skill, like many taught in schools, that is forgotten without regular practice and schools can't do that either. Some children go swimming with us and never go again.

I read so many threads about what schools should teach and so many excuses made for parents who don't do it. Some of them might be valid reasons, but schools can't fix everything.

8TinyToeBeans · Today 09:21

Parents should be giving this message to their children, over and over again as necessary. My parents taught me the dangers of open water. Never swim in reservoirs, be careful paddling in lochs cause they often drop off suddenly, etc.

Or maybe we need something shown in schools, but I guarantee some whinging parents would be unhappy about something scaring their child. But realistically, you need the harsh truth to break through the teenage bravado. I do training around water work as a necessity for my job and the guy who did our training for us was a rescue swimmer. He told us, without sugarcoating it, that he shouldn't really be called a 'rescue' swimmer...unless he's there when you get into difficulties, he's 'recovering' your body. That's the sort of message that we need to get through to children. There is very little chance of surviving if you get into difficulty. And never to go into water to try to help someone else, or to help a pet.

StillAGoth · Today 09:23

MrsClattenburg · Today 08:54

I agree that a hard hitting short video on TikTok, etc. would be the best way of reaching teenagers although there will always be some that ignore it all.

I have no idea who is the biggest 'celebrity' teenage lads look up to these days (?) but if they could be the ones to tell them how stupid it is to jump into open water then this might make a few of them think twice.

I hear Andrew Tate is quite popular with teenage boys. Perhaps he could teach them.something useful!

BridgetJonesV2 · Today 09:23

This is all down to lack of parenting, not knowing where your kids are and not teaching them that water is dangerous.

We're facing an epidemic of young adults who've never been told how to keep themselves safe and have never been told No.

fairydustt · Today 09:24

keepswimming38 · Today 08:37

I was brought up in the Lake District and don’t recall a single one of my classmates dying by drowning in lakes. These are city kids that get no proper instruction as to outdoor activities. The issue is about outdoor activities and education as to the dangers. Plus their parents are probably equally as ignorant to the dangers.

I don’t think that’s a fair conclusion. Most of the incidents weren’t in cities at all, they happened at places like Ribchester, Pickmere, Kingsbury and Angle, which are villages, as well as lakes and rivers near small towns. And I don’t think it’s been said where the individuals were from.

And suggesting the parents were “ignorant” seems quite harsh when we know nothing about the families involved. Open water can be dangerous for anyone, regardless of where they live or how experienced they are.

Boomer55 · Today 09:24

aurpod1980 · Today 06:56

I saw the tragic news of two more lives lost in the heatwave, in water.

I believe there needs to be some sort of National campaign to warn people of the dangers of open water on hot days - or any day.

so many lives lost.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0p7j3lwepo

No, what’s required is common sense.

Backedoffhackedoff · Today 09:26

BridgetJonesV2 · Today 09:23

This is all down to lack of parenting, not knowing where your kids are and not teaching them that water is dangerous.

We're facing an epidemic of young adults who've never been told how to keep themselves safe and have never been told No.

Why have drownings reduced so much since the 80s then?

itsgettingweird · Today 09:30

There are campaigns everywhere.

DS is a swimmer and his swim club out out some links to campaigns reminding them that being a good swimmer doesn’t counteract cold water shock.

And his club do open water swimming so the reminder was specific to those swimmers too that it’s done under supervision with qualified coaches.

People take risks all the time. Sadly sometimes that ends in fatality.

All the campaigns in the world won’t change that when all the campaigns we currently have haven’t .

Bjorkdidit · Today 09:30

Backedoffhackedoff · Today 09:26

Why have drownings reduced so much since the 80s then?

Perhaps because in the 1980s teens were much more free range. We'd go off on our bikes for hours, only going home when it got dark or we were hungry.

A lot of today's young people are ferried everywhere by their parents and not allowed to do anything deemed 'dangerous'. So unless they have parents who swim outside, they might not have experienced it themselves. Plus there's so much more to do. A lot of the ways they keep themselves occupied - gaming, social media etc, didn't exist in the 1980s. We had to make our own fun by flying kites near power lines or playing chicken on the railway Wink

I do remember people drowning then. There's still a memorial at a local lake for someone who drowned many years ago. Going back further, one of my distant relatives (great uncle or similar) drowned in the local river as a teenager/young man. One of the reasons why DM, who can't swim herself, made it a priority that we could all swim.

itsgettingweird · Today 09:32

It’s also probably worthwhile noting one tragic fatality was at Rotherham park country lake - where the National OW championships are held annually.

AnotherPidgey · Today 09:33

My home town would have an annual hot weather drowning in the lakes, and back then it had a lido which was always rammed in hot weather in addition to the town's main swimming pool. This is not a new issue.

However currently access to swimming, especially casual, fun swimming is dire. If there is still a pool, "general swimming" time slots are typically a couple of 1hr slots per day in a timetable rammed with lane swimming, lessons and other specialist sessions and activities. Groups heading off to cool down near open water probably wouldn't divert to the leisure centre instead, but generally poor provision means poor skills and experience, and less likely to maintain swimming ability which is more likely to be a problem when in open water.

Younger teens as a cohort lost out on swimming access around the junior school years with Covid restrictions. My y10 15yo was fortunate to have just completed his school swimming in Feb 2020 which in his case was a useful compliment to private lessons and really gear-changed his ability. The now y9s of his school had a month before lockdown, and another month in the autumn between tiers and lockdowns. My y8 13yo's year lost half of their swimming provision to fill the gap of the year above and there was a noticable gap in entry level and outcome level between the two classes two years apart. This is a school where most have lessons and our slot was between two schools in deprived areas where the ratios of novice, improver and competent groups was wildly different, and in those schools the majority couldn't functionally swim by any meaningful description (e.g. doggy paddle 10m).
At the same time private lessons at best stopped and started with multiple changes in lockdowns/ tiers. Social distancing meant many pools just didn't run access to family swimming for well over a year. At my DC's pool you could private hire half a pool but the cost was prohibative. While my DCs did have interrupted access to lessons, they had no practical access to fun swimming for over 15 months.

Since 2022 increased energy and transport costs have prevented many schools from accessing swimming provision. Some now do a week or two with "pop-up pools" which will be of limited use. Many have just dropped it entirely. Costs to families have soared and what was once a subsidised cheap afternoon out is now prohibitively expensive. This does not bode well for the next cohort of teenagers in the next 5+ years.

Many children just fizzled out of lessons if they had themfrom 2020 and they are now teenagers with poor water skills and knowledge.

Meanwhile open water swimming is booming on social media. Teenagers won't be watching instructive videos from middle-aged women with tow floats and bright bobble hats, they'll be watching shorts/ tik toks of people ploughing in and having fun, much like the sunset over landmark hills trend that does nothing to promote the countryside code and good hiking skills.

Simply saying "no swimming" does not and has never worked. Sites that are relatively safe with good practice are lumped in with toxic quarries and weirs that have specific, inherent dangers. I can think of a few spots that would be better being renamed "bleach lake" and "sewerage falls" to actually put people off and accuately represent the hazard.

There does need to be awareness of how to be safer in water. Gentle entry to acclimatise is a big one. Check entry and exit points. Get your gasp in while your head is above water, not 6ft down from a jump. How to float. What drowning actually looks like. How to safely assist someone in danger. How to read water (particularly moving water near waterfalls and rivers; foamy water with air bubbles is less boyant aside from currents), spotting features like riptides.

I think this is beyond parents as too many parents don't have the knowledge and skills to pass it on, and it's a group-think issue that needs a proper campaign, resources into schools and use social media to access older teens after years of getting good awareness into their heads.

Livpool · Today 09:35

WhatNoRaisins · Today 07:40

My child's school swimming lessons seems to have included lessons where they bring in a pair of pyjamas. I'm guessing that's an attempt to teach them that swimming is very different when wearing clothes. I've read about it in Adrian Mole but I don't remember anyone doing that when I was at the swimming lesson age.

Yeah my DS has this too!

Multiuniverse · Today 09:36

I just wanted to let you know OP that after reading this post I sat all of my children down and we watched several water safety videos together.

They all have lessons but I think there is still a lot of benefit about understanding the safety issues in different water environments.

RLSSQualified · Today 09:40

aurpod1980 · Today 06:56

I saw the tragic news of two more lives lost in the heatwave, in water.

I believe there needs to be some sort of National campaign to warn people of the dangers of open water on hot days - or any day.

so many lives lost.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0p7j3lwepo

If you aren't aware of the dangers of open water by now, I am afraid you will never be.

Mochudubh · Today 09:41

The death toll this year already seems exceptionally high and we're not even into official summer yet.

I do think that "online/indoor/bedroom culture" is definitely factor. Young people simply aren't getting out as much as previous generations and gaining experience of the outdoors.

When I was a kid in the '70s our nearest swimming pool was 30 miles away and we would have a block of about 6 weeks in the summer term when we were bussed there once a week. Most of us learned to swim in the river or cycled to the loch about 5 miles away (about 10 miles long with a shallow sloping beach and a "bay" at the outflow end so the water had days to heat up).

But.

  • These were the days of the scary Public Information ads, which we all saw as PP said, there were only 3 channels.
  • There was a continuum of older kids and adults around who had done the same and could warn of the deeper and more dangerous bits.
  • There were probably more near misses than we like to think but we learned from them. We used to play a game coming out of school where we would jump from rock to rock in the stream and my friend slipped and went in up to her waist. I had to take her home with me and dry her out in front of our gas fire so her stepdad didn't find out.
  • And people still died. A boy in secondary drowned one summer in a loch (a higher, deeper, colder one than the one above) and a local man died swimming in yet a different loch after he'd been drinking.

I think the OP is right that we need a campaign targeted wherever young people get their information from. IMO Public Information ads should be brought back and it should be mandatory that YouTube/TikTok etc should have to show these as a proportion of unskippable ads.

Backedoffhackedoff · Today 09:41

Bjorkdidit · Today 09:30

Perhaps because in the 1980s teens were much more free range. We'd go off on our bikes for hours, only going home when it got dark or we were hungry.

A lot of today's young people are ferried everywhere by their parents and not allowed to do anything deemed 'dangerous'. So unless they have parents who swim outside, they might not have experienced it themselves. Plus there's so much more to do. A lot of the ways they keep themselves occupied - gaming, social media etc, didn't exist in the 1980s. We had to make our own fun by flying kites near power lines or playing chicken on the railway Wink

I do remember people drowning then. There's still a memorial at a local lake for someone who drowned many years ago. Going back further, one of my distant relatives (great uncle or similar) drowned in the local river as a teenager/young man. One of the reasons why DM, who can't swim herself, made it a priority that we could all swim.

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So the lack of parenting was actually even worse in the 80s and is of a better standard now?

Bjorkdidit · Today 09:41

I did pyjama swimming in the early 1980s. Bronze lifesaving badge. you had to jump in wearing the pyjamas, tread water for a bit and take off the trousers and blow them up to make a float. You also had to retrieve a brick from the bottom of the pool.

I also swim at an unheated lido and don't envy the lifeguards there, who have to dive in at the start of every shift, so they're used to it if they have to rescue someone. <shiver>.

JustAnUdea · Today 09:44

itsgettingweird · Today 09:32

It’s also probably worthwhile noting one tragic fatality was at Rotherham park country lake - where the National OW championships are held annually.

Its an odd place... you arent allowed to swim, but you can paddleboard, kayak etc (wearing a PFD). Plus you are allowed tobfall off said craft. But you arent allowed to swim...

mixedpeel · Today 09:47

@AnotherPidgey There does need to be awareness of how to be safer in water. Gentle entry to acclimatise is a big one. Check entry and exit points. Get your gasp in while your head is above water, not 6ft down from a jump. How to float. What drowning actually looks like. How to safely assist someone in danger. How to read water (particularly moving water near waterfalls and rivers; foamy water with air bubbles is less boyant aside from currents), spotting features like riptides.

Your whole post was great, but this bit is so important. Speaking for myself I wasn’t aware of the automatic ‘gasp’ response until I heard someone on the radio explaining it a few years ago. Jumping in is pretty much the worst thing you can do, but we don’t seem to have an inbuilt instinct against it.

It is utterly tragic to lose someone in this way. People claiming it didn’t happen in their childhood are forgetting that they were kids themselves at the time, so even if it made the news (and I suspect many drowning incidents actually didn’t) they wouldn’t necessarily have picked up on it.

IthinkIsawahairbrushbackthere · Today 09:48

We live in a fishing town with a marina. All along the public areas there are graphic signs reminding that there are hazards underwater that can't be seen from above and every hot sunny day you see teenage boys jumping off the dock into the sea right beside these signs. Various authorities go into the school to talk to the kids and show videos etc but none of them seem to take it in. Strangely it seems to be boys who jump off the dock - I've never seen girls do it.

TheKittenswithMittens · Today 09:52

I am in my late 60s and cycle a lot, albeit slowly. I always get boys shouting "Do a wheelie for us gran". I haven't any idea how to do a wheelie.

Dollymylove · Today 09:52

Backedoffhackedoff · Today 09:41

So the lack of parenting was actually even worse in the 80s and is of a better standard now?

The 80s was a completely different world from today's world. There was still discipline by parents and in schools. Crime was taken seriously, if you got caught shoplifting you were arrested and taken to court.
Knife culture was rarely heard of. Drugs were frowned upon and only hippies smoked weed.
Now its a free-for-all. Its all me me me, im entitled to kick your door off its hinges and harrass your grandparents if I want to and nothing will be done about it. Although use some "hurty wordz" and off to jail you go..Respect for your environment and your neighbours went down the toilet years ago

Nocameltoeleggingsplease · Today 09:55

aurpod1980 · Today 07:23

but where might these teens see/hear something? Like something hard hitting to stop them. It’s so so sad to wake up to hear more news like this and it seems it’s more than ever before.

There are lots of things teen boys don’t do wrong - there has to be something they they’ll see or hear?

School. Regularly. Very regularly.
Doesn't stop them. Often parents know they are ‘off to swim in the lake’ too.
It’s not an information problem

dottiedodah · Today 09:56

There are many campaigns ATM though.TV)( RNLI ).Many adverts in billboards and SM .Point is its hot and people (esp teenage boys!) want to cool down and keep up with their mates . Not sure what elseyou can do

EmeraldShamrock000 · Today 09:58

It’s awful, tragic. Many of these people would consider themselves good swimmers, the water is extremely dangerous. Pool only for me.