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Judge lets three boy rapist go free with no jail time

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ThreadGuardDog · 24/05/2026 11:38

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/may/24/uk-judge-decision-rape-girls-hampshire

The judge said he wanted to avoid the boys attracting a criminal record so early in life. Is it so unreasonable to think that they should have thought of that before they committed the crime ? Rape/sexual assault, is up 10% according to national statistics. With sentences like these, reflecting the clear misogyny within the judiciary , is it any wonder ?

Thoughts ?

UK judge’s decision not to jail boys for rape like a ‘rock in my face’, says victim, 16

Boys, aged 15, given youth rehabilitation orders for two separate attacks against two girls in Hampshire

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/may/24/uk-judge-decision-rape-girls-hampshire

OP posts:
Northermcharn · 24/05/2026 17:35

PinkPonyAnonymous · 24/05/2026 16:40

There is now a note on the website saying not to report this case, unless linked to it, as it has been reported so many times.

submit.forms.service.gov.uk/form/696/apply-to-have-an-unduly-lenient-sentence-reviewed/UrNqWVsY

I don't think it hurts to show support to request review. So 'they' understand how many of us are angry about this. It's still open to report.

Northermcharn · 24/05/2026 17:36

ThreadGuardDog · 24/05/2026 17:32

This is what I can’t figure out. They subjected the girls to rape at knifepoint, degrading acts and what must have been abject terror, and filmed it all for their own viewing pleasure. Then pleaded not guilty, thereby subjecting the girls and their families to the horror of a trial. And despite all of this the judge didn’t want them to have a criminal record at so young an age, and praised them for their good behaviour during the proceedings. What exactly were the mitigating circumstances here ? That they were young ? Not too young to know what they were doing. That allegedly two of them have learning difficulties - didnt stop them from engaging though did it, so again, they must have known what they were doing. It’s about time there was root and branch reform of the judiciary and the application of law if this is the best we can do in the 21st Century.

Edited

One could even say they planned it - due to the fact one lured her there, online.

Thiswasanescapeplan · 24/05/2026 17:43

ThreadGuardDog · 24/05/2026 17:32

This is what I can’t figure out. They subjected the girls to rape at knifepoint, degrading acts and what must have been abject terror, and filmed it all for their own viewing pleasure. Then pleaded not guilty, thereby subjecting the girls and their families to the horror of a trial. And despite all of this the judge didn’t want them to have a criminal record at so young an age, and praised them for their good behaviour during the proceedings. What exactly were the mitigating circumstances here ? That they were young ? Not too young to know what they were doing. That allegedly two of them have learning difficulties - didnt stop them from engaging though did it, so again, they must have known what they were doing. It’s about time there was root and branch reform of the judiciary and the application of law if this is the best we can do in the 21st Century.

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Slight correction they not only filmed it for their misuse. They then shared both films according to the news, that was among their charges as far as I understand.

So I'm just thinking that their learning difficulties don't interact significantly with their ability to plan and carry out a layered process of attack and abuse.

Nailing my colours to the mast here I'm a SEN parent and it's infuriating that LD are being misused to protect them.

Thiswasanescapeplan · 24/05/2026 17:44

Northermcharn · 24/05/2026 17:36

One could even say they planned it - due to the fact one lured her there, online.

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How it doesn't amount to grooming I don't know

PinkPonyAnonymous · 24/05/2026 17:53

Northermcharn · 24/05/2026 17:35

I don't think it hurts to show support to request review. So 'they' understand how many of us are angry about this. It's still open to report.

I completely agree with your sentiment, but I wish there was another way we could show this? As I’m not sure who “they” exactly are that sift through these requests.

Anyway, glad Keir Starmer had spoken out about this. Can’t believe he had actually said something I agree with.

ThreadGuardDog · 24/05/2026 17:59

Thiswasanescapeplan · 24/05/2026 17:43

Slight correction they not only filmed it for their misuse. They then shared both films according to the news, that was among their charges as far as I understand.

So I'm just thinking that their learning difficulties don't interact significantly with their ability to plan and carry out a layered process of attack and abuse.

Nailing my colours to the mast here I'm a SEN parent and it's infuriating that LD are being misused to protect them.

Absolutely this. I missed the fact that the video had been shared with others, but that just compounds the malicious intent and blows out of the water any defence of ‘learning difficulties M’laud’.

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Thiswasanescapeplan · 24/05/2026 18:21

They've also done this not once but twice (or more, we don't know?) ...so yeah it seems like they have had enough awareness of what they did in order to repeat it.

I'm not saying once is justifiable, (please don't misunderstand my point here) but the emergence of a pattern of abuse and an MO must surely suggest that their LD doesn't affect their abilities in this particular way to the extent that it could excuse them from culpability for their actions in the law?

A chance attack might be more possible in LD (although no less of a crime) but the planning? The repetition? The post-rape abuse via sharing online? Does it not show a perverse ability to work as a team- and mean they are able to communicate, to build trust and a relationship with the girls with an ulterior motive the whole time?

Ugh. Rage against the stupid machine. Ffs

Error404FucksNotFound · 24/05/2026 18:24

I genuinely think that judges who make such rulings reveal unpleasant facts about themselves.

Northermcharn · 24/05/2026 18:35

PinkPonyAnonymous · 24/05/2026 17:53

I completely agree with your sentiment, but I wish there was another way we could show this? As I’m not sure who “they” exactly are that sift through these requests.

Anyway, glad Keir Starmer had spoken out about this. Can’t believe he had actually said something I agree with.

Yeah but Starmer. Words are cheap.

Anyone remember this?

'Lucy Connolly, the wife of Conservative councillor Raymond Connolly, was handed a 31-month sentence in October last year after she admitted publishing and distributing "threatening or abusive" written material on the X social media site.'

Apparently in Starmers world, words on a website get a 31month custodial sentence, but planned rape, attack, humiliation (5 week trial and found guilty), they get to go home with a thanks for being brave chaps.

No.

Starmer does have the power to suspend the judge who gave these non punishments, Judge Nicholas Rowland.

Is it 'appalling' enough to do that, Keir?

Thiswasanescapeplan · 24/05/2026 18:36

If anyone's interested in the zoom out here, around 3% of rapes result in any charge at all in the UK. And those are the ones where a victim is brave enough to report.

And last year the conviction rate fell.

The whole system is just a cess pit of injustice.

Those girls went through the whole additional trauma of a trial, and for the judge to sympathise with the attackers.

Watch the channel 4 news programme on the make judge who presided over the pelicot trial. (not UK obviously but it's the same misogyny)

We're being failed at scale. It's a disgrace.

Northermcharn · 24/05/2026 18:58

Thiswasanescapeplan · 24/05/2026 18:36

If anyone's interested in the zoom out here, around 3% of rapes result in any charge at all in the UK. And those are the ones where a victim is brave enough to report.

And last year the conviction rate fell.

The whole system is just a cess pit of injustice.

Those girls went through the whole additional trauma of a trial, and for the judge to sympathise with the attackers.

Watch the channel 4 news programme on the make judge who presided over the pelicot trial. (not UK obviously but it's the same misogyny)

We're being failed at scale. It's a disgrace.

Exactly. No one cares about women and girls, least of all this government. The grooming gang scandal highlighted it recently, and nothing changed. The Pelicot trial - and others similar across Europe (apparently there's an online network where these monsters plan and put up photos of their wife being raped). Then all the sex crimes that happen day after day after day, all the internet abuse, paedophilia, sex trafficking, porn.. And women actually had / have to fight to be recognised as a single sex category, to keep our single sex spaces, because Starmer, Burnham and their champagne socialist buddies 'think' some women have a penis.

An amoeba could work out 'many men hate women' (as Greer said in 1975), but somehow they get away with it time and again.

Italiangreyhound · 24/05/2026 19:03

I have written to my MP and also filled in a form online to say that I think this sentence should be reviewed.

Thiswasanescapeplan · 24/05/2026 21:19

If anyone's interested/incensed there was an Old Bailey judge who has called this judge "brave" in his sentencing choice.

This is the scale of the problem.

noworklifebalance · 24/05/2026 21:40

Sorry, I haven’t read the full thread and couldn’t bear to read the other thread, as I was so sickened by the crimes and then the verdict - if anyone has the know how or a link to how I can protest (or whatever the word is) about the verdict, then please do post/re-post.

Those boys knew what they were doing was harmful,
degrading,
illegal,
criminal and
they not only did it once,
they did it twice,
it was premeditated,
filmed it
posted it,
then pleaded not guilty and
subjected their victims to the ordeal all over again.
They are criminals at best.

The judge is NICHOLAS ROWLAND.
Perhaps his previous trials need to be reviewed.

Thiswasanescapeplan · 24/05/2026 21:49

I think they should be chemically de-testosteroned. And that should be the punishment for rape and SA crimes.

As a deterrent to others and as a preventative for reoffending.

I think people will look back on this dark era for women and girls and the way the system stood by and facilitated abuse at scale by men and boys and view it in a light not dissimilar to the horror with which we now view the enslavement of people of colour and other crimes against entire swathes of humanity, because that is the scale of this problem.

MyHorseAndMe · 24/05/2026 22:01

I read this today and was horrified, it’s also not the first time they’ve done this, filmed it and posted online. Truly disgusting

AvantCharde · 24/05/2026 22:33

Badbadbunny · 24/05/2026 13:01

We really need to get a grip and stop pandering to the different "communities" who have their own values, such as Irish travellers. The law should be the same for everyone living in the country. The old police oath was "without fear or favour" yet, as someone who was in the police for a few years, we were told to "ignore" minor offences from our local significant Irish traveller community and not arrest for more major crimes without prior approval of the duty sergeant. It was so wrong back then and it seems to be worse these days now that there are other communities with their own "laws".

This is so true (obviously you know as you were in the police). We were subjected to pretty much weekly thefts by Irish travellers on the farm I grew up on, and we’re not talking small items - a lorry, horse boxes, quad bikes etc. Even though we had strong evidence of who had taken those things and exactly where they would be, the police didn’t want to know, ever. They are literally lawless.

And yes I know that’s not the whole community, and there are good and bad etc, but when it comes to the bad ones the police won’t touch them.

ChocolateAddictAlways · 24/05/2026 22:42

It feels as if we live in a society which thinks women are not 'really' harmed by rape yet men are harmed by being jailed for rape 😔

Thiswasanescapeplan · 24/05/2026 23:05

Until a very recent change in the law the victims counselling notes could be pulled in rape trials.

Like who is on trial here?

Who is the victim?

Disgusting.

(Typo edit)

unsync · Yesterday 06:48

https://c.org/RJXm6cpHf9

There's a petition on change.org to "Investigate Judge Nicholas Rowland and Introduce a Judicial Accountability Framework".

I didn't know that the Judiciary cannot be held to account. To quote... "Judicial immunity was designed to protect independence. Not to shield judges from accountability when they repeatedly fail the most vulnerable people the justice system exists to serve." This obviously needs to change or we will continue to see examples of institutional misogyny through the Judiciary.

Please sign.

Northermcharn · Yesterday 07:49

ChocolateAddictAlways · 24/05/2026 22:42

It feels as if we live in a society which thinks women are not 'really' harmed by rape yet men are harmed by being jailed for rape 😔

Not only that, rape men are allowed to go to a women's prison in some parts of the UK (Scotland), if they say they're 'a woman' (vomit). So a man rapist could be in a prison cell with a woman who has been raped. Yep. That's just an example of how much people who think men can be women, give a shit about women and girls (Keir, Burnham, Lammy, anyone from Labour, Sturgeon, anyone from the Green party, anyone from the Lib dems etc).

Northermcharn · Yesterday 07:54

unsync · Yesterday 06:48

https://c.org/RJXm6cpHf9

There's a petition on change.org to "Investigate Judge Nicholas Rowland and Introduce a Judicial Accountability Framework".

I didn't know that the Judiciary cannot be held to account. To quote... "Judicial immunity was designed to protect independence. Not to shield judges from accountability when they repeatedly fail the most vulnerable people the justice system exists to serve." This obviously needs to change or we will continue to see examples of institutional misogyny through the Judiciary.

Please sign.

Done and shared. Thank you.

FraZles · Yesterday 07:56

Judge should be struck off.

Northermcharn · Yesterday 08:00

FraZles · Yesterday 07:56

Judge should be struck off.

Starmer (as PM) has the power to suspend him. As Starmer is so 'appalled' by the situation, perhaps he will. On the other hand.

LakieLady · Yesterday 08:04

Johnogroats · 24/05/2026 11:43

It is almost certain that this case will be reviewed (the government has intervened) and a new sentence imposed. I cannot understand what the judge was thinking of (clearly not the victims).

They've just had a former Old Bailey judge on BBC. She seemed to think that it was highly likely that this will be reviewed.

She also said something that had entirely passed me by: that their primary motivation was not sexual gratification, but making video footage that they could put online. If true, that makes it far more serious, imo: it's clear that it was premeditated and planned.

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