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Daybydayhour · 19/05/2026 19:01

FernFaery · 19/05/2026 17:21

Mine too. No doubt it’ll become ‘means tested’ so, as ever, the sensible among us will be no better off than those who didn’t bother because ‘why shouldn’t they have it, do you want them to starve etc’

This worries me as it must become means tested surely.

I am debating adding to the pension contributions for my 18 years who works one day a week at a part time job I can pay £600 to top it up and give her a year in national pension however she is likely to be a big earner so I wonder if it is worth it. If she wasn’t I would offer to top it up willingly. I retire in 2 years (early) and get state pension in 12 but I think they will take it away by then ! Argh

pragmatismuniversalsentimentalist · 19/05/2026 19:01

Lougle · 19/05/2026 17:29

According to the National Office for Statistics, the percentage of working age people who are out of work is hovering at 4.9-5% this year. The percentage of working age people who were out of work in 2016 was 4.9-5.1%. So there's not a big change at all.

That's not quite right that figure is of people 'available for work'.
Those is groups with no capacity for work or low capacity for work and on disability benefits for eg aren't counted, nor are adults studying full time.

Bollixtothat · 19/05/2026 19:02

Passaggressfedup · 19/05/2026 18:57

If rent is a struggle could they not move home for a few years and save ? So many young adults moving out of home too soon without the means to financially support themselves properly. Are they in a house share or living alone?
One lives far away, the other highly values their independence and there is not room for them at ours (we downsize).

I think it is very important that young people are independent as young as possible. They can afford all the essentials, just very few luxuries and limited chance to save. However, they will go up the ladder and hopefully will be in a much better position in 5 and 10 years time.

I would hate to see my children struggling and unable to contribute to a pension once they begin working life. But I guess they made their choices. So difficult to save while paying rent too. It’s a shame you couldn’t have postponed downsizing until they were financially stable.

OneShyQuail · 19/05/2026 19:03

BoredZelda · 19/05/2026 18:24

Saving £80 a month in your pension from the age of 20, with an employer’s matched contribution would get you about around £1000 a month in pension. That would effectively double what you get on state pension. Assuming you have a mortgage paid off, which many do, £2k a month isn’t overly shabby, and is definitely better than not having it. You may also be eligible for pension credit, and income support.

Those who say it would be impossible for most people to save in a pension because they have no spare money are being rather economical with the truth. There will absolutely be people who are on a minimum wage and might struggle to have anything to spare at all.

According to the ONS, despite the cost of living, travel remains a priority for people with less than 20% of people opting to have a cheaper U.K. holiday or going without. Annually, as a nation we spend £78.6 billion on overseas travel annually. We spend £63.75 billion on takeaway food. £27.4 billion on alcohol to drink at home and £24 billion in pubs. We spent £14 billion in pensions. We spend 12 times as much on holidays, drink and takeaway food than we do on pensions.

The problem we have in the U.K. isn’t that people can’t afford to save in a pension, it’s that it isn’t made a priority. Nobody would ever suggest you give up every nice thing in order to save for a pension, but for most people who are working an average job on an average wage, £80 quid a month isn’t not a major sacrifice, and when your employer matches your contribution it’s money for your future you are leaving on the table.

For those who are parents, the best 18th birthday gift you can give your child is to start a pension for them.

It might be the best thing you can do for your child, but when they need to learn to drive to be able to get a job, so you save for their driving lessons, then the car, then comes the car insurance which even a working teenager would struggle to pay on their own.....then the money saved to help towards a house deposit.....most people struggle to do this for their children let alone pay into a pension for when they are 60+!

There's no way a pension should take priority over driving and getting on the housing ladder....

Kirbert2 · 19/05/2026 19:04

Bollixtothat · 19/05/2026 18:57

Why would you move into an expensive property in the first place though? Tbh some people just aren’t very clever.

Because shared housing isn't appropriate for everyone
Because circumstances change
Because moving areas if you were born in an expensive area again costs money

etc

Bollixtothat · 19/05/2026 19:04

FernFaery · 19/05/2026 18:51

Sorry if I’m wrong but wouldn’t you get UC?

Goodness I would hope not. Uc should not be available for someone to pay rent on an property to live in alone when they could share with others. I think there are already age restrictions on this in place.

ParmaVioletTea · 19/05/2026 19:04

FernFaery · 19/05/2026 17:22

I agree but there are millions not in work and the number is rising.

Indeed. Up to 20% of young people 18-24 are not in education, work or training, and are already on benefits.

XenoBitch · 19/05/2026 19:05

Kirbert2 · 19/05/2026 18:52

It costs money to move though. If you have no money, how can you even afford to do that?

Oh, you missed the thread we had the other night.
Someone suggested finding work that provides accommodation too, such as some hotel work or on a farm. They seemed to think it was a suitable suggestion even if you had had 3 kids in tow too. Or sofa surfing... with kids.

FernFaery · 19/05/2026 19:06

XenoBitch · 19/05/2026 19:05

Oh, you missed the thread we had the other night.
Someone suggested finding work that provides accommodation too, such as some hotel work or on a farm. They seemed to think it was a suitable suggestion even if you had had 3 kids in tow too. Or sofa surfing... with kids.

It would be suitable for single persons, and couples. I’ve seen several such ads over the last few weeks, I would absolutely apply if I was a single person or one half of a couple looking to save. You seem to find it mildly hilarious?

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FernFaery · 19/05/2026 19:08

Bollixtothat · 19/05/2026 19:04

Goodness I would hope not. Uc should not be available for someone to pay rent on an property to live in alone when they could share with others. I think there are already age restrictions on this in place.

UC is desperately needed by people working FT on the NMW and I wouldn’t want it taken away from them. I’m desperate for work not to be deincentivised more than it already has. I couldn’t care less about somebody working full time delivering parcels or in a warehouse who gets an additional £400 a month or whatever.

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Kirbert2 · 19/05/2026 19:08

XenoBitch · 19/05/2026 19:05

Oh, you missed the thread we had the other night.
Someone suggested finding work that provides accommodation too, such as some hotel work or on a farm. They seemed to think it was a suitable suggestion even if you had had 3 kids in tow too. Or sofa surfing... with kids.

Oh dear.

Nothing surprises me on threads like this any more. I remember one months ago where someone suggested that if she was me, she'd simply move to a cheaper area into a smaller house and then I magically wouldn't need UC.

So easy. 😂

NotTheOrdinary · 19/05/2026 19:09

XenoBitch · 19/05/2026 19:05

Oh, you missed the thread we had the other night.
Someone suggested finding work that provides accommodation too, such as some hotel work or on a farm. They seemed to think it was a suitable suggestion even if you had had 3 kids in tow too. Or sofa surfing... with kids.

Now that is funny,

FernFaery · 19/05/2026 19:09

Kirbert2 · 19/05/2026 19:08

Oh dear.

Nothing surprises me on threads like this any more. I remember one months ago where someone suggested that if she was me, she'd simply move to a cheaper area into a smaller house and then I magically wouldn't need UC.

So easy. 😂

Not easy but equally we encourage migrants who move continents for work and praise their pragmatism, but when it comes to white Brits we’re somehow better than that?

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FernFaery · 19/05/2026 19:09

NotTheOrdinary · 19/05/2026 19:09

Now that is funny,

With kids, yes. But without?

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hahabahbag · 19/05/2026 19:10

I have a workplace scheme, statutory minimum, minimum wage … it’s barely worth having

IncyTwiny · 19/05/2026 19:10

Apprentice26 · 19/05/2026 17:45

Why do they get to retire? They have to keep working. It’s that simple.
In whatever capacity they can manage, topped up by universal credits if necessary but they need to be subjected to the same conditions as single mums are back to work after 12 months of giving birth

So. No one gets a state pension right? But if you can’t work due to disability you just get a different type of benefit - universal credit? But it will most likely top you up to the same amount? It’s kind of like when the government say if you don’t work and pay NI you won’t get your state pension! But then just top people up with pension credit to the same amount. So currently those people who rely solely on state worked and paid NI get that state pension. Those who never worked in their life get pension credit to the same amount but with extra benefits like council tax help.

Honestly I work with the public. Despite what mumsnet apparently sees all the time, I don’t think many 70+ year olds will be able to do full time work. Very few will even manage part time.

HowdoyoureallyKnow · 19/05/2026 19:10

@BoredZelda you don't need to wait till 18 children can have one my 13 year old has had one for several years ( sipp) self invested personal pension .

Martha23 · 19/05/2026 19:13

I work and currently can’t afford to pay into my pension. My workplace pension is incredibly generous and I hope to pay into it again but with a young family and rising debts/col, it is simply not a priority.

XenoBitch · 19/05/2026 19:14

FernFaery · 19/05/2026 19:06

It would be suitable for single persons, and couples. I’ve seen several such ads over the last few weeks, I would absolutely apply if I was a single person or one half of a couple looking to save. You seem to find it mildly hilarious?

Did you miss the bit where I said someone considered it a serious suggestion for someone with children?

pragmatismuniversalsentimentalist · 19/05/2026 19:14

frozendaisy · 19/05/2026 18:00

State pension is deducted from public pensions. Well not deducted, sort of included in their pension amount.

Not any more it isn't - the 'opt out' system was got rid of a few years ago.

ToffeeCrabApple · 19/05/2026 19:14

FernFaery · 19/05/2026 17:27

So you can’t afford to be self employed? Should you be looking for a job with a workplace pension?

This. Too many people continue in self employment when its not earning them enough.

CelestialGazer · 19/05/2026 19:15

Backedoffhackedoff · 19/05/2026 17:28

Does this change anything though? Is it a worsening trend?
Plenty of people have never had private pensions, they weren’t even available until relatively recently. None of my parents (early retirement age) , in laws or close family friends have private pensions, with the exception of ex teachers and police officers.

the triple lock is completely unsustainable though

Private pensions have been available back as far as the 1970s. They were snappily called S226A pensions then (the predecessor to Personal Pensions), and anyone not in a workplace pension could have one.

(I know because my employer was a life and pension company which offered them as part of its product range.)

Kirbert2 · 19/05/2026 19:16

FernFaery · 19/05/2026 19:09

Not easy but equally we encourage migrants who move continents for work and praise their pragmatism, but when it comes to white Brits we’re somehow better than that?

The point is even if I somehow managed to do it, I would still get UC and it would be expensive to move.

Not an option in my case anyway for several reasons, finances is just one of them.

Whysnothingsimple · 19/05/2026 19:16

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · 19/05/2026 17:24

The report I heard said that this is not sufficient, and we should be saving at least 10% of our income monthly.

Which is all well and good, but when people who are working are choosing between heating and eating putting 10% of their income aside is just not going to happen -that would mean they could neither heat not eat.

ParmaVioletTea · 19/05/2026 19:16

According to the ONS, despite the cost of living, travel remains a priority for people with less than 20% of people opting to have a cheaper U.K. holiday or going without. Annually, as a nation we spend £78.6 billion on overseas travel annually. We spend £63.75 billion on takeaway food. £27.4 billion on alcohol to drink at home and £24 billion in pubs. We spent £14 billion in pensions. We spend 12 times as much on holidays, drink and takeaway food than we do on pensions.

@BoredZelda those stats are frightening. I wonder what the Venn diagrams are for those holiday makers, take away eaters and pub drinkers and no / small pension contributions, assuming the State pension will look after them?

Or is it the “haves” as identified upthread? more likely?

it’d be really interesting to see how all those figures map across income and spending priorities.