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AIBU to feel uncomfortable about my MIL's behaviour around food?

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illtellyouwhat · 19/05/2026 13:06

Sorry, this ended up being quite a long post.

I don’t know what advice I am looking for and simply wanted to share this with other people to see if anybody else has ever experienced anything like this?

MIL, who is past retirement age, has a not so healthy relationship with weight and food. There are reasons I say this which I won’t go into, but let’s just say it is off topic for this thread.

I put on weight recently, but my BMI is in the green, right in the middle. This comes after years of being underweight, at times dangerously so, and struggling to put weight on, for reasons that are also off topic here.

MIL is now constantly asking me how the weight loss is going, measuring me up with her eyes, essentially fat-checking me… she does try to be discrete about this but I’ve seen it happen. She will ask whether I have managed to lose any weight since the last time she saw me. She then confirms “but the weight is going down right?”

She herself is not underweight for her age but is on the thin side.

In her fridge and cupboard, she keeps lots of out of date, expired food. Often mouldy. She will tell anybody who listens how she doesn’t gain weight and how proud she is of it, then going into details about how she manages to do that. For example, if she has eaten a lot one day she will try to not to eat very much for several days thereafter.

Unless she eats out, she’d does not eat “real” food, instead snacking on things like tomatoes or biscuits or nuts, or if she decides to have a meal, it will be something like canned soup. My understanding is she doesn’t really know how to cook, but that isn’t something you can judge her for because not everybody does.

She will often go out of her way to make sure her son (my husband) gets food when we are there, but will essentially do the opposite with me. This used to happen even when I was very thin. If we would go out for a meal she would order something “healthy” then try to eat my food and actually verbalise that she won’t take any from her son’s plate because he needs it. She would encourage her son to get the most expensive and substantial option on a menu, and although it has never explicitly been said I always feel that I am supposed to pick something cheap, sometimes based on suggestions she makes but mostly it’s based on experience from eating out with her and the sort of obvious conclusion you can draw from the behaviour when I do get something that isn’t the very cheapest option (she tries to eat my food). Of course it is possible this is all in my head but I am fairly sure it is not.

I feel like there’s an aspect to this which comes from a need to hoard food because food costs money. Or making sure you get your money’s worth (since she paid for the meal). So her son eating is getting your moneys worth, me eating is not. This behaviour extends to other situations but again it’s a bit off topic.

She does offer me what is in her cupboard and fridge but as I say it’s all expired and mouldy. In the same breath she will talk about how to ensure you don’t get hungry by snacking on small amounts of food like sweets and nuts.

On our most recent visit she made her son some food (tinned soup). She did not offer me the same. She then told me to join her while she ran some errands, in what felt like an attempt to distract me from eating. At this point it was late afternoon and I had not had anything to eat all day. She later offered me tomatoes and crackers.

I don’t think I will ever try to “set a boundary” because to some degree it is a lost cause and I don’t want to make her cross, I mostly try to eat before and after seeing her, but sometimes there isn’t time to do that.

OP posts:
Elsvieta · 23/05/2026 09:14

illtellyouwhat · 22/05/2026 13:56

There are definitely financial/tax advantages to having grandchildren. Google it if you don’t believe me (I just did, because your comment made me doubt myself 😉)

There really aren't, assuming this is in the UK. Perhaps if you link to what you saw someone will explain what it actually means? There can be all kinds of financial / tax advantages to leaving stuff to people before you die (live seven years and there's no inheritance tax, that sort of thing) but there's nothing where it has to be a grandchild specifically.

Look up what you would pay to give birth in the US (not to mention the maternal / infant mortality rate - quite a bit higher than ours) and I think you'll want to abandon that idea. Plus there's automatic birthright citizenship - people who are American citizens but haven't lived there since infancy still get chased to pay tax there etc.

CraftyYankee · 23/05/2026 09:50

Elsvieta · 23/05/2026 09:14

There really aren't, assuming this is in the UK. Perhaps if you link to what you saw someone will explain what it actually means? There can be all kinds of financial / tax advantages to leaving stuff to people before you die (live seven years and there's no inheritance tax, that sort of thing) but there's nothing where it has to be a grandchild specifically.

Look up what you would pay to give birth in the US (not to mention the maternal / infant mortality rate - quite a bit higher than ours) and I think you'll want to abandon that idea. Plus there's automatic birthright citizenship - people who are American citizens but haven't lived there since infancy still get chased to pay tax there etc.

While there are a lot of issues with the US in general and health care in particular, if you can afford to pay or have good health insurance the quality of care is as high or higher than the NHS.

Given the MIL's wealth but also batshittery, I think the hypothetical residence status of this hypothetical baby means nothing should be ruled out right now, and certainly not on the basis of cost.

Elsvieta · 23/05/2026 09:56

CraftyYankee · 23/05/2026 09:50

While there are a lot of issues with the US in general and health care in particular, if you can afford to pay or have good health insurance the quality of care is as high or higher than the NHS.

Given the MIL's wealth but also batshittery, I think the hypothetical residence status of this hypothetical baby means nothing should be ruled out right now, and certainly not on the basis of cost.

People might get treated in nicer surroundings or whatever in the US, but actual outcomes don't appear to be better: we have a higher life expectancy, and we're quite significantly less likely to die giving birth: 12 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births, as against 22 there.

wordler · 23/05/2026 16:17

Elsvieta · 23/05/2026 09:14

There really aren't, assuming this is in the UK. Perhaps if you link to what you saw someone will explain what it actually means? There can be all kinds of financial / tax advantages to leaving stuff to people before you die (live seven years and there's no inheritance tax, that sort of thing) but there's nothing where it has to be a grandchild specifically.

Look up what you would pay to give birth in the US (not to mention the maternal / infant mortality rate - quite a bit higher than ours) and I think you'll want to abandon that idea. Plus there's automatic birthright citizenship - people who are American citizens but haven't lived there since infancy still get chased to pay tax there etc.

OP’s children will automatically be US citizens from birth no matter where she gives birth because she is American and meets the residency requirement.

BassBug · 23/05/2026 19:59

illtellyouwhat · 19/05/2026 13:06

Sorry, this ended up being quite a long post.

I don’t know what advice I am looking for and simply wanted to share this with other people to see if anybody else has ever experienced anything like this?

MIL, who is past retirement age, has a not so healthy relationship with weight and food. There are reasons I say this which I won’t go into, but let’s just say it is off topic for this thread.

I put on weight recently, but my BMI is in the green, right in the middle. This comes after years of being underweight, at times dangerously so, and struggling to put weight on, for reasons that are also off topic here.

MIL is now constantly asking me how the weight loss is going, measuring me up with her eyes, essentially fat-checking me… she does try to be discrete about this but I’ve seen it happen. She will ask whether I have managed to lose any weight since the last time she saw me. She then confirms “but the weight is going down right?”

She herself is not underweight for her age but is on the thin side.

In her fridge and cupboard, she keeps lots of out of date, expired food. Often mouldy. She will tell anybody who listens how she doesn’t gain weight and how proud she is of it, then going into details about how she manages to do that. For example, if she has eaten a lot one day she will try to not to eat very much for several days thereafter.

Unless she eats out, she’d does not eat “real” food, instead snacking on things like tomatoes or biscuits or nuts, or if she decides to have a meal, it will be something like canned soup. My understanding is she doesn’t really know how to cook, but that isn’t something you can judge her for because not everybody does.

She will often go out of her way to make sure her son (my husband) gets food when we are there, but will essentially do the opposite with me. This used to happen even when I was very thin. If we would go out for a meal she would order something “healthy” then try to eat my food and actually verbalise that she won’t take any from her son’s plate because he needs it. She would encourage her son to get the most expensive and substantial option on a menu, and although it has never explicitly been said I always feel that I am supposed to pick something cheap, sometimes based on suggestions she makes but mostly it’s based on experience from eating out with her and the sort of obvious conclusion you can draw from the behaviour when I do get something that isn’t the very cheapest option (she tries to eat my food). Of course it is possible this is all in my head but I am fairly sure it is not.

I feel like there’s an aspect to this which comes from a need to hoard food because food costs money. Or making sure you get your money’s worth (since she paid for the meal). So her son eating is getting your moneys worth, me eating is not. This behaviour extends to other situations but again it’s a bit off topic.

She does offer me what is in her cupboard and fridge but as I say it’s all expired and mouldy. In the same breath she will talk about how to ensure you don’t get hungry by snacking on small amounts of food like sweets and nuts.

On our most recent visit she made her son some food (tinned soup). She did not offer me the same. She then told me to join her while she ran some errands, in what felt like an attempt to distract me from eating. At this point it was late afternoon and I had not had anything to eat all day. She later offered me tomatoes and crackers.

I don’t think I will ever try to “set a boundary” because to some degree it is a lost cause and I don’t want to make her cross, I mostly try to eat before and after seeing her, but sometimes there isn’t time to do that.

Just ask her straight out wtf has your weight got to do with her? Tell her you have more interesting things to think about than someone else's weight. In fact I would make a point of calling her out every time she gives you the look. Some people are so fecking weird!

BassBug · 23/05/2026 20:02

SnappyQuoter · 19/05/2026 13:14

The only reason this woman is in her life is because she married her husband. So he should be dealing with it. If it’s anything like most mumsnet marriages then the OP is probably carrying most of the mental load and doing most of the day to day drudgery in her own home. She should be taking on her responsibility of dealing with her nutjob MiL as well.

Touch the food on my plate and you get a fork stuck in your hand. I can't stand people who think it's OK to touch OP's food or pick at food when you're dishing up.

PeoplesNet · 23/05/2026 20:06

illtellyouwhat · 19/05/2026 13:06

Sorry, this ended up being quite a long post.

I don’t know what advice I am looking for and simply wanted to share this with other people to see if anybody else has ever experienced anything like this?

MIL, who is past retirement age, has a not so healthy relationship with weight and food. There are reasons I say this which I won’t go into, but let’s just say it is off topic for this thread.

I put on weight recently, but my BMI is in the green, right in the middle. This comes after years of being underweight, at times dangerously so, and struggling to put weight on, for reasons that are also off topic here.

MIL is now constantly asking me how the weight loss is going, measuring me up with her eyes, essentially fat-checking me… she does try to be discrete about this but I’ve seen it happen. She will ask whether I have managed to lose any weight since the last time she saw me. She then confirms “but the weight is going down right?”

She herself is not underweight for her age but is on the thin side.

In her fridge and cupboard, she keeps lots of out of date, expired food. Often mouldy. She will tell anybody who listens how she doesn’t gain weight and how proud she is of it, then going into details about how she manages to do that. For example, if she has eaten a lot one day she will try to not to eat very much for several days thereafter.

Unless she eats out, she’d does not eat “real” food, instead snacking on things like tomatoes or biscuits or nuts, or if she decides to have a meal, it will be something like canned soup. My understanding is she doesn’t really know how to cook, but that isn’t something you can judge her for because not everybody does.

She will often go out of her way to make sure her son (my husband) gets food when we are there, but will essentially do the opposite with me. This used to happen even when I was very thin. If we would go out for a meal she would order something “healthy” then try to eat my food and actually verbalise that she won’t take any from her son’s plate because he needs it. She would encourage her son to get the most expensive and substantial option on a menu, and although it has never explicitly been said I always feel that I am supposed to pick something cheap, sometimes based on suggestions she makes but mostly it’s based on experience from eating out with her and the sort of obvious conclusion you can draw from the behaviour when I do get something that isn’t the very cheapest option (she tries to eat my food). Of course it is possible this is all in my head but I am fairly sure it is not.

I feel like there’s an aspect to this which comes from a need to hoard food because food costs money. Or making sure you get your money’s worth (since she paid for the meal). So her son eating is getting your moneys worth, me eating is not. This behaviour extends to other situations but again it’s a bit off topic.

She does offer me what is in her cupboard and fridge but as I say it’s all expired and mouldy. In the same breath she will talk about how to ensure you don’t get hungry by snacking on small amounts of food like sweets and nuts.

On our most recent visit she made her son some food (tinned soup). She did not offer me the same. She then told me to join her while she ran some errands, in what felt like an attempt to distract me from eating. At this point it was late afternoon and I had not had anything to eat all day. She later offered me tomatoes and crackers.

I don’t think I will ever try to “set a boundary” because to some degree it is a lost cause and I don’t want to make her cross, I mostly try to eat before and after seeing her, but sometimes there isn’t time to do that.

Sounds like you need to distance yourself from her and pay for your own food / bring your own food everywhere. If she questions it, just reply that you're not wanting to discuss food or diets. I feel for you, this sounds really frustrating.

Catdaddy1978 · 23/05/2026 20:26

illtellyouwhat · 19/05/2026 13:06

Sorry, this ended up being quite a long post.

I don’t know what advice I am looking for and simply wanted to share this with other people to see if anybody else has ever experienced anything like this?

MIL, who is past retirement age, has a not so healthy relationship with weight and food. There are reasons I say this which I won’t go into, but let’s just say it is off topic for this thread.

I put on weight recently, but my BMI is in the green, right in the middle. This comes after years of being underweight, at times dangerously so, and struggling to put weight on, for reasons that are also off topic here.

MIL is now constantly asking me how the weight loss is going, measuring me up with her eyes, essentially fat-checking me… she does try to be discrete about this but I’ve seen it happen. She will ask whether I have managed to lose any weight since the last time she saw me. She then confirms “but the weight is going down right?”

She herself is not underweight for her age but is on the thin side.

In her fridge and cupboard, she keeps lots of out of date, expired food. Often mouldy. She will tell anybody who listens how she doesn’t gain weight and how proud she is of it, then going into details about how she manages to do that. For example, if she has eaten a lot one day she will try to not to eat very much for several days thereafter.

Unless she eats out, she’d does not eat “real” food, instead snacking on things like tomatoes or biscuits or nuts, or if she decides to have a meal, it will be something like canned soup. My understanding is she doesn’t really know how to cook, but that isn’t something you can judge her for because not everybody does.

She will often go out of her way to make sure her son (my husband) gets food when we are there, but will essentially do the opposite with me. This used to happen even when I was very thin. If we would go out for a meal she would order something “healthy” then try to eat my food and actually verbalise that she won’t take any from her son’s plate because he needs it. She would encourage her son to get the most expensive and substantial option on a menu, and although it has never explicitly been said I always feel that I am supposed to pick something cheap, sometimes based on suggestions she makes but mostly it’s based on experience from eating out with her and the sort of obvious conclusion you can draw from the behaviour when I do get something that isn’t the very cheapest option (she tries to eat my food). Of course it is possible this is all in my head but I am fairly sure it is not.

I feel like there’s an aspect to this which comes from a need to hoard food because food costs money. Or making sure you get your money’s worth (since she paid for the meal). So her son eating is getting your moneys worth, me eating is not. This behaviour extends to other situations but again it’s a bit off topic.

She does offer me what is in her cupboard and fridge but as I say it’s all expired and mouldy. In the same breath she will talk about how to ensure you don’t get hungry by snacking on small amounts of food like sweets and nuts.

On our most recent visit she made her son some food (tinned soup). She did not offer me the same. She then told me to join her while she ran some errands, in what felt like an attempt to distract me from eating. At this point it was late afternoon and I had not had anything to eat all day. She later offered me tomatoes and crackers.

I don’t think I will ever try to “set a boundary” because to some degree it is a lost cause and I don’t want to make her cross, I mostly try to eat before and after seeing her, but sometimes there isn’t time to do that.

I’d agree with saying that your DH can visit her on his own. She’s toxic and you don’t need that.

Morningirl · 23/05/2026 20:48

Parallel situation for me. My MIL is such a food controller and general life controller that after years of problems we stopped staying overnight and then stopped going for lunch (this is the short story). We now go for just a cup of tea in the afternoon and only stay for lunch on her birthday when we bring the lunch - this is a huge fight though as she likes to give us horrible leftovers and food that has gone off. We recently stayed with her overnight for the first time in about five years but the only way we could do it was as a Duke of Edinburgh practise - told her we were camping in her garden and cooking our own food so the children could practise for D of E.

This has made it all more bearable.

I suffered nearly two decades of controlling and coercive behaviour and it took me a long time to realise that she was massively controlling and that I could push back. Some of the things that she has done will never leave me and her behaviour to her disabled son (husband's brother) was beyond the pale - he was paralysed and despite us trying to push back via safeguarding she controlled everything. Seeing her shove food in his mouth and then tell him he couldn't have pudding because it would 'make him fat' when he was wasting away was not pleasant. And this is the smallest part of the story.

I feel really sorry about your situation. Well done for being as patient as you have been. There is no ideal solution in this case and you are doing a brilliant job. All I can say is that there is no easy solution and you'll just have to feel your way.

Morningirl · 23/05/2026 20:50

p.s How old is she? Mine is 92 and grew up with a retinue of staff and not much attention from the parents (she told me her worst day of the week was the day the cook had the day off and her mum had to look after her) and during the second world war - weird attitude to food that I have noticed in other old people who went through rationing and food shortage.

ByRealOtter · 24/05/2026 11:21

My MIL does this. Sunday lunch - oh you only want two potatoes don’t as you’re dieting (I’m not). Oh just one Yorkshire for you. I got you some fruit for afters as I know you can’t eat trifle. wtf? Always commenting on my weight cos she’s “worried about me”. It’s tiring, it’s embarrassing and it’s frankly rude. I can’t say anything as hubby hates confrontation and says she’s always been annoying it’s just her way. These people get away with too much. I feel for you OP X

HellyR · 24/05/2026 14:13

ByRealOtter · 24/05/2026 11:21

My MIL does this. Sunday lunch - oh you only want two potatoes don’t as you’re dieting (I’m not). Oh just one Yorkshire for you. I got you some fruit for afters as I know you can’t eat trifle. wtf? Always commenting on my weight cos she’s “worried about me”. It’s tiring, it’s embarrassing and it’s frankly rude. I can’t say anything as hubby hates confrontation and says she’s always been annoying it’s just her way. These people get away with too much. I feel for you OP X

"I'm actually carb-loading, not dieting, so I'll have 11 more roasties please!" Grin

ByRealOtter · 24/05/2026 14:37

HellyR · 24/05/2026 14:13

"I'm actually carb-loading, not dieting, so I'll have 11 more roasties please!" Grin

Ha ha love it! Shame we never feel able to say this stuff at the time!

Tanjamaltija · 24/05/2026 18:08

In Maltese we have a saying that is rude, that explains what to do in such a situation, so I will not quote it here. I would, however, take a couple of sarnies with me and bring them out, when she does not offer me food, and say that I knew she wasn't going to offer me anything, so I came prepared. I would not humour her, or go with her on her errands. And the husband has to pull his socks up.

BIossomtoes · 24/05/2026 18:13

Tanjamaltija · 24/05/2026 18:08

In Maltese we have a saying that is rude, that explains what to do in such a situation, so I will not quote it here. I would, however, take a couple of sarnies with me and bring them out, when she does not offer me food, and say that I knew she wasn't going to offer me anything, so I came prepared. I would not humour her, or go with her on her errands. And the husband has to pull his socks up.

Please tell us the Maltese saying.

WonderingWanda · 24/05/2026 18:43

Op this is all so dysfunctional I'm not sure where to begin. In several of your posts you describe dh's family as accepting you and you also talk about having not been in a good place. You clearly had very low self worth and now seem to be tolerating their a absolutely batshit behaviour out of fear of being the bad guy amd upsetting the apple cart. Everytime you describe trying to address the issues with your dh you describe him as avoiding, wanting to keep the peace with his dm and your later posts have painted a picture of what I can only describe as him being the victim of an abusive childhood. Like many victims of abuse he has been conditioned to feel bad or is unable to address that his childhood was abusive. Nothing about his dm's treatment of you amd his reaction to her will change unless he deals with that. It also sounds like you are hinting that you have had your own mental health problems and have very low self worth which is why you've allowed yourself to get sucked into this dysfunctional mess.

Be rational. As an adult you do not need to eat mouldy food to avoid hurting someone's feelings. You do not need to let another adult question your weight and it is not unreasonable of you to tell them it is none of their business. If she reacts badly or acts hurt and upset this is classic controlling behaviour. You quite rightly identify that this might be linked to some generational trauma of her own around food, that does not make it ok!!!!
You need to find some self respect and some anger around how you are treated. If you don't want to eat her mouldy food take your own and when she kicks off about wasting good food simply tell her it is always inedible. If she offers your dh food and then tries to take you on errands say no thanks I'm going to stay here and have soup with dh. If you are in a restaurant order what you want. If she tries to feed you nuts instead of a meal say no thanks I want a proper meal, and then proceed to eat your own. Tell your dh that you have come to a realisation that his mother has some disturbing issues around food and you no longer want to see her around meal times. Tell him that you think she was abusive to him growing up and your children will never be left alone with her.....and mean it. Tell him he needs to see this situation as an adult would and seek some therapy and if he can't then you won't be having children with him. And I don't mean that in a manipulative way, I mean this is the choice you need to make. None of this will change until your dh wakes up to how dysfunctional it all is and you put some boundaries in place for yourself. You deserve better.

Tanjamaltija · 24/05/2026 20:58

@Blossomtoes I'm afraid that I will be kicked out for being vulgar.

BIossomtoes · 24/05/2026 22:29

Tanjamaltija · 24/05/2026 20:58

@Blossomtoes I'm afraid that I will be kicked out for being vulgar.

Vulgarity is very common on MN!

Tanjamaltija · 25/05/2026 13:38

@Blossomtoes Ah, well. Even so, I still choose not to write it.

CraftyYankee · 26/05/2026 09:59

Hope your BH weekend went well and didn't involve any moldy food OP 😁

illtellyouwhat · 26/05/2026 12:13

WonderingWanda · 24/05/2026 18:43

Op this is all so dysfunctional I'm not sure where to begin. In several of your posts you describe dh's family as accepting you and you also talk about having not been in a good place. You clearly had very low self worth and now seem to be tolerating their a absolutely batshit behaviour out of fear of being the bad guy amd upsetting the apple cart. Everytime you describe trying to address the issues with your dh you describe him as avoiding, wanting to keep the peace with his dm and your later posts have painted a picture of what I can only describe as him being the victim of an abusive childhood. Like many victims of abuse he has been conditioned to feel bad or is unable to address that his childhood was abusive. Nothing about his dm's treatment of you amd his reaction to her will change unless he deals with that. It also sounds like you are hinting that you have had your own mental health problems and have very low self worth which is why you've allowed yourself to get sucked into this dysfunctional mess.

Be rational. As an adult you do not need to eat mouldy food to avoid hurting someone's feelings. You do not need to let another adult question your weight and it is not unreasonable of you to tell them it is none of their business. If she reacts badly or acts hurt and upset this is classic controlling behaviour. You quite rightly identify that this might be linked to some generational trauma of her own around food, that does not make it ok!!!!
You need to find some self respect and some anger around how you are treated. If you don't want to eat her mouldy food take your own and when she kicks off about wasting good food simply tell her it is always inedible. If she offers your dh food and then tries to take you on errands say no thanks I'm going to stay here and have soup with dh. If you are in a restaurant order what you want. If she tries to feed you nuts instead of a meal say no thanks I want a proper meal, and then proceed to eat your own. Tell your dh that you have come to a realisation that his mother has some disturbing issues around food and you no longer want to see her around meal times. Tell him that you think she was abusive to him growing up and your children will never be left alone with her.....and mean it. Tell him he needs to see this situation as an adult would and seek some therapy and if he can't then you won't be having children with him. And I don't mean that in a manipulative way, I mean this is the choice you need to make. None of this will change until your dh wakes up to how dysfunctional it all is and you put some boundaries in place for yourself. You deserve better.

Thanks for this @WonderingWanda

And a huge thanks to everyone that has contributed to this thread.

I want to say that I never thought I would get so many helpful and thoughtful comments and suggestions. So many of you have put a great deal of effort into reading and responding to my and other people’s posts. Even the short responses have been incredibly supportive and I can’t begin to explain how grateful I am for all of your words. It has been very moving week for me, thanks to you: caring strangers/MNetters 💙

For those of you still reading this thread, I had a couple of long conversations with DH this BH and I want to give you a bit of an update after I’ve thought about how to summarise it.

PS. Really curious about what that Maltese rude saying it! But I respect your wish to not share it@Tanjamaltija so no worries!

OP posts:
Woodfiresareamazing2 · 26/05/2026 12:34

illtellyouwhat · 26/05/2026 12:13

Thanks for this @WonderingWanda

And a huge thanks to everyone that has contributed to this thread.

I want to say that I never thought I would get so many helpful and thoughtful comments and suggestions. So many of you have put a great deal of effort into reading and responding to my and other people’s posts. Even the short responses have been incredibly supportive and I can’t begin to explain how grateful I am for all of your words. It has been very moving week for me, thanks to you: caring strangers/MNetters 💙

For those of you still reading this thread, I had a couple of long conversations with DH this BH and I want to give you a bit of an update after I’ve thought about how to summarise it.

PS. Really curious about what that Maltese rude saying it! But I respect your wish to not share it@Tanjamaltija so no worries!

Mumsnetters at their best have been active on this thread @illtellyouwhat 😊

Tanjamaltija · 26/05/2026 14:44

illtellyouwhat Thank you for understanding.

CraftyYankee · 26/05/2026 21:29

Hoping for your sake he's open to the idea of therapy.

illtellyouwhat · 27/05/2026 14:41

Here’s the update:

He concedes that’s his DM was a driving factor leading to his dsis ED. I haven’t talked about all that in this thread as I feel it would be unfair to her (SIL) to bring that up and discuss it. But, despite him recognising that link, he perceives his family to be normal with food, and sees his dsis as an outlier. I said well if your mother caused this situation with SIL, surely you can see she also has issues? He said no he doesn’t think she does/the issues developed later/they’re not that significant/not really a problem for anybody else. He also doesn’t think he has any issues with food, even though he accepts he will eat my food that I have saved for later after eating his own. I said it’s because you have to have it, which is weird because I never feel that way about food. He said no I don’t have to have it I just want it.

There is a lot of mental gymnastics required to hold those thoughts in your head at the same time.

When I tried to specifically discuss the odd behaviour around expired and mouldy food, he claimed that it was normal and that he was offered old/mouldy food at friends houses when younger. I said it certainly is not normal and I have never come across a single person that not only knowingly stores expired food at home but also essentially takes pride in it. He said well in that case our experiences are different. So okay can’t argue with that, but when I said suppose we have a child, at a time when they cannot yet speak, would you be fine with that child being served mouldy or expired food? He seemed to find it very difficult to stick to this example, and instead recounted anecdotes of him “learning” to not eat mouldy food as a teenager, by deciding to eat stuff he could see had a bit of mould in/on it, and then finding out that it’s disgusting and that you can’t just bypass this issue by not eating the mould itself (that is, he learned here that mould means that the whole thing is expired and tastes rank….)

I pointed out that we are not talking about children who are old enough to make their own decisions about what to eat, and tried to bring him back to thinking about a situation where the child is too young to make these decisions or to tell us about what happened afterwards. This made him focus on cheese, talking about how it’s actually completely normal and safe to cut off the mouldy parts of hard cheese, and that some cheeses have mould in them by default so it’s not that weird. We went around in circles.

More broadly, I asked about why he thinks his mum finds it appropriate to suggest to me that she gives me “grace periods” to not talk about my employment situation, pointing out that the fact she gives me these grace periods when i’m very stressed suggests that she thinks she has some kind of authority over me. I asked him what is that authority do you think/where is it derived from?

This made him formulate some type of theory around her trying to be my friend and that it is what friends do. I said well no none of my friends would try to talk to me about jobs if I made it clear it was making me depressed or that I was an upsetting topic. They certainly would not be saying “i’m not talking to you about this until after XYZ, because i know you’re stressed”. I said that sounds like what a parent says to a child, but she isn’t my mum so what gives? Again, he said she is just trying to be my friend.

Anyway. I think these are the two main points I found noteworthy enough to share here. I haven’t yet broached the subject about him getting therapy, but I think I know what I need to do in terms of trying to get a bit more independence for us, which primarily involves stop accepting food, dinners, etc. Stop asking for help with life decisions. And stop biting my tongue when she’s overtly rude or snarky, in other words start calling rudeness out. But politely maybe? Not sure. I’m a bit scared of upsetting the apple cart myself to be honest!

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