To judge people for supporting MJ?

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No doubt this will rub some people up the wrong way, but when I see people enjoying the new Michael Jackson movie or generally dismissing the abuse he perpetrated as ‘he was a child himself’, I immediately dislike them and consider them supporters of child abuse. Having read the testimonies of the victims and the multiple witnesses to his inappropriate grooming behaviour, I have no doubt in my mind that he was a child groomer and abuser and people’s support of him disgusts me. Just unfollowed someone on Instagram for posting about their enjoyment of the new movie and what a legend he is. AIBU?

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I can’t understand why they’ve made a movie, it glorifies his life. If they made a movie glorifying Jim saviles life I’d not want to watch that either, or rolf Harris or Gary glitter

Agree.

I watched a documentary on Netflix about Fred and Rose West. Doesn’t mean I ‘support’ them.

I am not bothered about the MJ film but i enjoy his music and have done since I was 4 years old.

There is /was same thread running sorry don't know how to link.
Most thought he was a paedophile.
I read that once the boys hit a certain age he lost interest

Neverland the funfair,zoo etc all things that would appeal to children.
I don't buy into he was like a child himself and sleepovers with eight year old boys is just not right for all sorts of reasons.

You do realise that he is dead and therefore won't care two hoots about whether you judge him or not?

As for judging anyone who supports him, once again unless they are friends of yours they won't know. People are allowed to still enjoy his music and enjoy the movie without the need for you to police that. Seriously, some of you need to get a life. What do you think you are going to achieve?

In the 1989 I went to memphiss to see Elvis' house the recording studio he started at etc.
After touring the house we got back into the tour bus and one woman said to her partner "what his real name?" The reply was "I don't know "

My point being these people paid quite a bit of money to tour the house of someone who they had no knowledge about what so ever...because they had heard the music.

What about all the war tv series, documentaries, movies should we never watch anything not fiction incase we are seen to 'support' a dead person

Nope, me too 😂

Ah get the MJ reference now🤣🤣🤣

This. He was acquitted by a jury. Why do you OP think you know more than the court that heard the evidence?

Being acquitted by a jury means that they couldn’t prove his guilt to the required standard. Not surprising in a case about what happened behind closed doors between two people. The victim had no corroborating evidence (how could he?) and meanwhile, MJ is powerful and rich with expensive lawyers and wheeled out a parade of character witnesses.

Try watching Leaving Neverland and then see what you think. Plus the absolute mountain of other circumstantial evidence.

At least he's dead now

Completely with you. If your husband or some bloke down the road admitted that he sleep in a bed with children who weren’t his own children would you say ‘oh that’s fine he’s just unusual’ ? I don’t think so.

Do you realise how many rape and sexual abuse cases actually end up with a conviction? Very tiny number. It means nothing

I turn the radio over if his music comes on, can’t stand him.

So we should get rid of courts if someome says someone is guilty they are

So if a man accuses a woman of a crime thst means they are guilty or does it just work for men

Totally agree. I find it unfathomable that anyone could possibly conclude that he wasn’t a pedophile. It just couldn’t be any more obvious.

You would judge someone for being ill educated on Michael Jackson?! 🤣

Odd that every claimant went quiet after getting a 7 figure payout.

He was found not guilty on all charges.

Because that was part of settlement included a strict non disclosure agreement obviously.
Sometimes this place reminds me that people aren't that bright.

Sorry for any ignorance here, I was very young when the incident in his pool happened but I liked MB very much as a child and would pretend to be him in the playground! I understand a man died at a party in his pool and there were rumours drugs were involved/ suspicions he had been pushed in when off his face but MB wasn’t near the incident at the time, was he? I’m sure he was inside the home. Or has he done something else I don’t know about?

As for MJ, I don’t understand his diehard fans either but the film is the most baffling thing. I know he wasn’t charged but he paid the victims off and there’s surely enough of them to actually be believed. It’s like making a glorifying biopic of Epstein imo.

I am not a supporter of MJ by any means, and feel deeply uncomfortable about his close relationships with children and how bizarre he became in his later life. Although he was never found guilty, I believe that there was undoubtedly truth in the allegations.

However, I have seen the film and I don't feel I should be flamed for doing so. I am a huge Jackson 5 fan and there's no denying that from a musical perspective, MJ was an absolute genius. The film is largely about his rise to superstardom and its fascinating. It doesn't whitewash his life growing up and it stops in 1988, so I don't think it's fair to criticise those who watch the film. It's a biographical film about his musical career taking off and should be seen as so. I do not condone anything that may have happened in his private life.

Odd that he paid them if he was so innocent..

He was taken to court TWICE and was NOT convicted. It is ALSO very well documented how the police/investigators tried to persuade children that something sexual had happened within interactions they had with him. Dwspite the fact that the children repeatedly said it wasn't the case.

It's also well documented how some parents of the children he hang with hoped to get somw money out of the accusations.

A documentary can't trounce legal judgement. Just because he was different amd gullible, doesn't mean he was a predator.

Having said that, on this issue there are two camps, and I'm firmly on the side that says he is and was innocent. I loved the film and will continue to love his work.

Sorry for any ignorance here, I was very young when the incident in his pool happened but I liked MB very much as a child and would pretend to be him in the playground! I understand a man died at a party in his pool and there were rumours drugs were involved/ suspicions he had been pushed in when off his face but MB wasn’t near the incident at the time, was he? I’m sure he was inside the home. Or has he done something else I don’t know about?

MB had a bunch of people at his home, having an impromptu party after a night out. I think there were maybe 10-12 people there. The young man was found floating in the pool and had been sexually assaulted. Everyone at the party said they didn’t see anything and the police could never prove who was inside/outside/in what rooms at any given point.

So there’s no evidence MB knew anything or did anything but that’s the same for everyone present and yet someone clearly did something. So he’s never been able to shake off suspicion.