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To wonder what else can be done to break the cycle of generations living off benefits?

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Allonthesametrain · 15/05/2026 22:25

Sounds harsh because It is. As a former teacher, then eduation social worker, now the past few years more heavily involved with school attendance.

My desire has always been to help children from unprivileged backgrounds to know their worth and achieve the best they can and this has been my career from age 23 to 57.

The number of times I've cried, torn my hair out, is immeasurable. I and colleagues have gone above and beyond to support the families, genuinely care about them, but unfortunately the outcome has been, as I've said in title, it's a continiation of the cycle of being brought up within a small community and low expectations.

So many gorgeous kids (supported throughout their young lives until they leave school) who tell you their dreams of what they want to to achieve in life, we do everything we can to enable it and some have indeed broken out of the circle but unfortunately the reality has been...

Parents who live lifestyles of no bedtime routine, tell their kids not to come back before ...pm, sleep in and don't get them out of bed ready and fed for school and as for weekends, pub and take back a new bloke

Parents who have issues themselves and project them onto DC. The kids soon realise they can stay off school for feigning illness and would actually be a comfort to Mum

The parents who just cba and say shall we just still in bed?

Of course there are so many other mitigating factors but these are the 3 main experiences we've dealt with. Unfortunately it really does come down to poor parenting and no matter what interventions we do to encourage attendance, only a minority are genuine.

So the cycle...DC think education isn't important, parents are hopeless role models and can often be aggressive to teachers, a deflection of blame.

Then oh DD gets pregnant at age 15, DS has been reprimanded by the police for scooting around in a balaclava. Then pure hostility when we try to continue to talk to them and what could be done to help.

Basically it's just such a shame, these sweet young kids who say they want to be ... become so influenced by their homelife, a need to fit in with their family and peers from the same estate, that they ignore the support we give them, don't turn up to appointments etc.

For the genuine cases, DC with SEN, the effort to try and ensure they are in best place is utmost and it's heartbreaking there aren't enough of them. Yes, we do know genuine cases and not just so many parents striving for a diagnosis because they feed DC a terrible diet and let them stay up late so are tired and irritable at school.

Expecting some backlash, whatever anyone says I can reason with.

OP posts:
BuildbyNumbere · 16/05/2026 14:17

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 14:11

Your post is offensive. You've clearly never had a triple leg fracture. I have a ten inch plate in my left leg and two screws in my ankle. I was told by my consultant not to weight bear for months. I live in a flat and I live alone. You tell me how under those circumstances where I couldn't stand up that I get myself into a wheelchair and out the front door?

We are talking about NOW

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 14:18

BuildbyNumbere · 16/05/2026 14:15

Right … but you can work now. You choose not to and claim benefits 🤷🏻‍♀️

That's actually not true. My award was for a short time while the fracture healed. I did an online degree which I started in 2022 (I wasn't on benefits then). Graduated last summer and will hopefully be starting voluntary work within the next few weeks - what makes you think I don't want to work?

BuildbyNumbere · 16/05/2026 14:18

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 14:04

I'm not at the moment. I said this on other posts.

So your full time job should be looking for
work then!

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 14:19

BuildbyNumbere · 16/05/2026 14:16

Why pipe up … she doesn’t work and uses a broken leg as an excuse.

OK, so would you go into work with a broken leg? Thought not.

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 14:19

BuildbyNumbere · 16/05/2026 14:17

We are talking about NOW

I also got disability benefits due to a nervous breakdown that I had because of certain events that happened in my life over the last few years. I'll make this very clear. I'm not on here to be quizzed at or shouted at by you. On any level.

TigerRag · 16/05/2026 14:20

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 14:19

OK, so would you go into work with a broken leg? Thought not.

I have a friend who broke his leg about a year ago who still worked

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 14:20

BuildbyNumbere · 16/05/2026 14:17

Exactly!! This is the type of person this thread is about!!

No it is not.
You are just attacking someone for being on benefits. You are getting personal, and there is no need.

BuildbyNumbere · 16/05/2026 14:21

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 14:19

OK, so would you go into work with a broken leg? Thought not.

This is about now … this poster is talking about the past, and yes I would … I would be able to in my job.

BuildbyNumbere · 16/05/2026 14:21

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 14:20

No it is not.
You are just attacking someone for being on benefits. You are getting personal, and there is no need.

How is it personal … don’t know her, responding to an anonymous comment

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 14:21

TigerRag · 16/05/2026 14:20

I have a friend who broke his leg about a year ago who still worked

In a desk job? Because if you can't weight bear and your job is physical, then you simply can not do it.

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 14:22

TigerRag · 16/05/2026 14:20

I have a friend who broke his leg about a year ago who still worked

I've already posted why I couldn't
I broke my fibula. Tibia and medial bones. One of the worst kinds of leg fractures to have. Had to have my leg pinned back together and couldn't properly weight bear for months

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 14:23

BuildbyNumbere · 16/05/2026 14:21

How is it personal … don’t know her, responding to an anonymous comment

It's very personal. You're attacking me and calling me a scrounger.

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 14:23

BuildbyNumbere · 16/05/2026 14:21

How is it personal … don’t know her, responding to an anonymous comment

There is a person on the other end of the comments. Remember that.

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 14:25

BuildbyNumbere · 16/05/2026 14:21

This is about now … this poster is talking about the past, and yes I would … I would be able to in my job.

Edited

I wasn't working when I broke my leg. I had just been offered a job and couldn't take it up. In a homeless unit where you are expected to be on your feet and potentially intervene in challenging situations.

Mh67 · 16/05/2026 14:26

We can tell with some kids in nursery that their outcome as an adult will be jail. So far there in 2 that I know of seving time. So sad

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 14:28

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 14:25

I wasn't working when I broke my leg. I had just been offered a job and couldn't take it up. In a homeless unit where you are expected to be on your feet and potentially intervene in challenging situations.

Similar happened to my aunt. She was between contracts so got a job as a carer. Broke her ankle a few days before she was due to start, so had to claim benefits for a short while.
Nothing wrong with it all.

After just a big break and subsequent surgery, you should be recovering... not pushing yourself to work.

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 14:29

Someone posted further up the thread that I'm the kind of person this post is about. I have two post grads. Two BA degrees. I'm in my 50s and I have always worked. Until I had a breakdown and couldn't. And just as I thought I would be able to work again. I had an accident.

What gives anyone the right to say that this thread is about people like me?

Pinkypromise43 · 16/05/2026 14:29

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 13:15

And if someone can't find work?

They move to find work. Innovate. Become self employed. Hustle. So many options

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 14:36

It's hard to move when you are poor. That's not an option for everyone. There are not so many options for lots of people. That's exactly why this thread was started.

fluffiphlox · 16/05/2026 14:39

Stop or deduct from the benefits of people whose kids don’t attend school. Alternatively reward attendance and achievement through the benefits system.

igelkott2026 · 16/05/2026 14:40

XenoBitch · 15/05/2026 22:33

Do you have source for this claim that generations are living off benefits?

I was also thinking this. I think the actual numbers are significant but low - eg 300,000.

Most other people want to work but can't.

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 14:40

fluffiphlox · 16/05/2026 14:39

Stop or deduct from the benefits of people whose kids don’t attend school. Alternatively reward attendance and achievement through the benefits system.

Does that include people who can't cope with the school environment? Why do you think so many people choose to home educate?

TigerRag · 16/05/2026 14:42

fluffiphlox · 16/05/2026 14:39

Stop or deduct from the benefits of people whose kids don’t attend school. Alternatively reward attendance and achievement through the benefits system.

Does that include parents of disabled children who spend time in hospital or are constantly sick?

igelkott2026 · 16/05/2026 14:42

Pinkypromise43 · 16/05/2026 14:29

They move to find work. Innovate. Become self employed. Hustle. So many options

It really isn't that easy. It's expensive to move and there's not much rental accommodation. To innovate needs skills - and, well, some sort of innovation idea. Becoming self-employed needs skills. Not sure what you mean by hustle. But in any event to do those things you need a skill to sell.

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 14:42

fluffiphlox · 16/05/2026 14:39

Stop or deduct from the benefits of people whose kids don’t attend school. Alternatively reward attendance and achievement through the benefits system.

That will disproportionally affect people on benefits. You can't treat them different.
Maybe address why their children are struggling to attend school. It is sometimes due to SEN. And that should be for all kids, not just kids who have parent's on benefits.

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