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to stop extra flexibility after my manager imposed office hours?

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LouuLou · 15/05/2026 13:02

I work in a small office team of five people. I’m the only full-time member of staff, everyone else is part time. We had a new manager start last year and honestly, up until now, things have been really good. We get on well, I like his management style and he has always said he cared more about people getting the work done than clock-watching.

I work very hard. I consistently hit targets, usually go beyond what is expected, and I won an achievement award last month. I also work very flexibly. I regularly start work at 7am, answer emails early, and will often still be available after 6pm. I usually work through lunch too. That flexibility has suited both the organisation and me because it means things get done quickly and I can also fit other parts of life around work. It is one of the things I am regularly complimented on - how quick I get tasks done.

Out of nowhere, he has now announced that I have to be physically in the office 9–5 three days a week. No actual problem has been identified, no concerns raised about my performance, no suggestion that work isn’t getting done. The explanation was basically that he “wants to try something different”.

Fine. He is the manager and he is entitled to set office hours if he wants to. I’m not arguing with that part.

But my feeling is that if he now wants strict contracted hours and presenteeism, then that is exactly what he will get. I no longer see the point in starting at 7am, replying to messages before work, being available into the evening or working through lunch. I’m planning to work my contracted hours, take a proper hour lunch break and log off at the end of the day.

I know this will reduce the amount I actually get done overall. But another part of me thinks flexibility works both ways. If management removes trust and autonomy, they can’t really expect staff to continue giving unpaid goodwill on top.

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Cornflakes44 · 15/05/2026 15:12

At work I’ve requested the team be in more. It’s not about individuals performance but team cohesion and junior members learning from experienced people. You say flexibility works for you so you are clearly doing other things during your work day so maybe when you stop that it will even itself out even with the reduced hours.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 15/05/2026 15:13

Cornflakes44 · 15/05/2026 15:12

At work I’ve requested the team be in more. It’s not about individuals performance but team cohesion and junior members learning from experienced people. You say flexibility works for you so you are clearly doing other things during your work day so maybe when you stop that it will even itself out even with the reduced hours.

Exactly this. Working from home can be fine for your work but make it harder for others/ the overall quality.

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 15:14

JHound · 15/05/2026 14:33

I fully support your approach. I believe the term is “malicious compliance.”

Years I had this. My hours were 9-5 but I could never get myself moving properly so generally was at work from 09:05am - 09:15am.

However we had long hours so I routinely worked till 7-9pm and sometimes weekends (unpaid). Apparently one of the directors had an issue with me arriving after 9am and insisted I must be in each day by 08:55 to log in and be ready to start at 9am. I pointed out my willingness to work past 5 and was told “we never asked you to”.

So from that day till I left I strictly worked 9-5. That pissed them off massively but what could they do.

This term is new to me and makes complete sense!

I will do things his 'new different way' as he requested but bang goes all the extra stuff I did out of hours.

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IsabellaVireauxLaurent · 15/05/2026 15:15

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 14:15

No. Only me.

unless hes trying to get you to do less without saying it or hes seeing if you will do more in those hours, if he thinks your spreading out your duties across the whole day and evening ?

MrsVBS · 15/05/2026 15:18

After many years spent working and now reaching an age where I will probably finish working relatively soon I’ve worked with lots of people and I would say to anyone, at the end of the day you are a number, if something happened to you tomorrow work would go on. So start at 9 and finish at 5 and go for a nice walk in your lunch break or read a book away from your desk. You being a martyr and doing it all means nothing to your manager, they’d do away with you in a heartbeat if they wanted.

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 15:22

FasterMichelin · 15/05/2026 14:54

It’s possible he’s been complimentary to get you on side and make you feel supported and appreciated, but deep down he still doesn’t get on with your “flexible” working hours.

Autonomy is strongly linked to job satisfaction so I can see why you want to keep it, but you need to see this from your managers perspective. It’s very difficult managing a team of part timers and flexi workers. He never knows who’s in and what where. That makes it harder to plan and stay on top of the team. This isn’t for you to decide, as he’s the manager.

Of course only work 9-5, that’s what you should have been doing anyway! Unless you have an approved flexible working request via HR, he’s been good to allow you so much flexibility on an informal basis. If he needs someone from 7am, he’ll contract that.

It sounds like the flexibility suits you more than the business, else they’d have formalised it. Just work your hours like you should have been all along.

The flexibility suited him as I would get tasks done and and problems solved before he started work.

Fine if he does not get on with my flexibility. The tasks will be done later and slower (which will annoy him).

I never said it was for me to decide. I agreed straightaway to his plan for 3 days a week as he is the manager. But it is not for him to decide I work out of hours and get tasks done super quickly.

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LouuLou · 15/05/2026 15:23

IsabellaVireauxLaurent · 15/05/2026 15:15

unless hes trying to get you to do less without saying it or hes seeing if you will do more in those hours, if he thinks your spreading out your duties across the whole day and evening ?

Then he should just say it rather than thanking for me for doing stuff out of hours and responding quickly. I will do everything in the set hours from now on.

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WhereYouLeftIt · 15/05/2026 15:23

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 14:05

The only answer he gave was he wanted to try something different. Wouldn't engage anymore.

Then let him see the full effect of his 'something different'. He wants 9-5, that's exactly what I'd give him. Not just on the 3 day/week you're on-site, but every day.

Giving him the benefit of the doubt, it may be that he is having to justify your flexibility and has chosen to do so by removing it. So I'd go with what he has asked of you; 9-5, no more no less.

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 15:24

MrsVBS · 15/05/2026 15:18

After many years spent working and now reaching an age where I will probably finish working relatively soon I’ve worked with lots of people and I would say to anyone, at the end of the day you are a number, if something happened to you tomorrow work would go on. So start at 9 and finish at 5 and go for a nice walk in your lunch break or read a book away from your desk. You being a martyr and doing it all means nothing to your manager, they’d do away with you in a heartbeat if they wanted.

I agree. No one is indispensable. I have given a lot but won't anymore.

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Manxexile · 15/05/2026 15:24

@LouuLou

So you are meant to be working 9 - 5 three days a week, but you actually start at 7am, work through lunch, and you are usually available after 6pm as well? And these extra hours are unpaid?

Do you take all your holiday entitlement?

If I were your employer, or if I were your employer's external auditor, I'd be concerned about the amount of work you were doing and whether we were becoming unnecessarily reliant on you.

If you're being paid to work 21 hours per week but actually do 30 plus hours per week that is potentially a problem for your employer. And it might become a problem for you if they think you are working all these extra hours in order to conceal something that you shouldn't be doing.

If I were your employer I'd want you to be working the hours you were contracted to work - no more and no less.

If I were you I'd go along with what the manager wants - for now.

If it doesn't work out you can both re-assess after a trial period. But don't assume that everything will fall apart for your employer if you lose your "flexibility".

IsabellaVireauxLaurent · 15/05/2026 15:24

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 15:23

Then he should just say it rather than thanking for me for doing stuff out of hours and responding quickly. I will do everything in the set hours from now on.

thats the thing with some managers, they want to presume one thing without saying it incase they are wrong but then make a pickle trying to do it their way so to speak

DrRylandGrace · 15/05/2026 15:28

Fairyliz · 15/05/2026 13:51

Yes surely this is what a mature professional would do before stamping their feet and sulking.
It sounds like a blanket ban because some members of the team are taking the piss.

Or, a mature and professional manager who respected their staff would have discussed any concerns they were trying to address with the OP before making a change to her working arrangements and involved her in the planning to ensure that any new arrangement would work for her and not negatively impact her delivery. Why should she be having to ask the manager these questions after the fact? If he was doing his job properly he’d have discussed it with her to get her input into how best to address whatever has driven his desire to change things, not just announced it to her as a fait accompli.

Shedmistress · 15/05/2026 15:30

'Absolutely boss, all that extra work I did before and after paid hours, who needs it? I'm looking forward to this slower pace of work'.

Druidsrealm · 15/05/2026 15:32

Unfortunately sometimes the reason is the manager is an arse!

KTheGrey · 15/05/2026 15:32

Interesting situation. Do you feel like you have kind of outgrown your job? Sounds like you need a new challenge really - one with rewards commensurate with going the extra mile.

ClayPotaLot · 15/05/2026 15:33

Manxexile · 15/05/2026 15:24

@LouuLou

So you are meant to be working 9 - 5 three days a week, but you actually start at 7am, work through lunch, and you are usually available after 6pm as well? And these extra hours are unpaid?

Do you take all your holiday entitlement?

If I were your employer, or if I were your employer's external auditor, I'd be concerned about the amount of work you were doing and whether we were becoming unnecessarily reliant on you.

If you're being paid to work 21 hours per week but actually do 30 plus hours per week that is potentially a problem for your employer. And it might become a problem for you if they think you are working all these extra hours in order to conceal something that you shouldn't be doing.

If I were your employer I'd want you to be working the hours you were contracted to work - no more and no less.

If I were you I'd go along with what the manager wants - for now.

If it doesn't work out you can both re-assess after a trial period. But don't assume that everything will fall apart for your employer if you lose your "flexibility".

OP is very clear in her OP that she is full time but is now being sked to be in the office 9 - 5 for 3 of them. It's also pretty easy to work out from following posts that while she may currently start at 7 am, work through lunch if needed and do tasks in the evening she is doing odd tasks for herself during that time as well. You just have to read her posts.

So it isn't an 11+hr day, it's just spread over those 11 hours though OP believes (and I'm not doubting her) that she does more work than if she just followed set 9-5 hours and that her responsiveness to requests outside that 9 - 5 has been valuable to the business because other staff aren't having to wait until 9 am when they make out of hours requests.

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 15:37

KTheGrey · 15/05/2026 15:32

Interesting situation. Do you feel like you have kind of outgrown your job? Sounds like you need a new challenge really - one with rewards commensurate with going the extra mile.

I enjoy the job and have enjoyed the flexibility. It has worked well with the DC. He is a parent but his wife is a SAHM so all school runs, illnesses and holidays are covered by her.

I am half thinking maybe it is time to move on.

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TheRestIsEntertainent · 15/05/2026 15:48

It’s such a shame when this happens. Leads to huge loss of goodwill. Will you keep us (or at least me!) updated?

igelkott2026 · 15/05/2026 15:49

Shedmistress · 15/05/2026 15:30

'Absolutely boss, all that extra work I did before and after paid hours, who needs it? I'm looking forward to this slower pace of work'.

Yes this! I do longer hours when I am at home, when I go into the office I work a shorter day because I have to factor in the commute. It's fair enough.

Soontobe60 · 15/05/2026 15:50

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 15:23

Then he should just say it rather than thanking for me for doing stuff out of hours and responding quickly. I will do everything in the set hours from now on.

I really don’t understand why you were doing all these extra hours though. If you’re paid for a 35 hour week for example, why would you do more than that? Maybe he has been told from higher up that he needs to get better control of your working hours as it sounds like you are coming and going as you please.

Hallamule · 15/05/2026 15:51

Sounds like the new arrangement should work well for both of you. You shouldn't be doing more than your pre-contracted hours anyway.

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 15:51

TheRestIsEntertainent · 15/05/2026 15:48

It’s such a shame when this happens. Leads to huge loss of goodwill. Will you keep us (or at least me!) updated?

Most definitely!

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Mumsntfan1 · 15/05/2026 15:53

You're working from 7 to 6 without a break as 'goodwill'. I understand why your manager should be keeping a eye on you.

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 15:54

Soontobe60 · 15/05/2026 15:50

I really don’t understand why you were doing all these extra hours though. If you’re paid for a 35 hour week for example, why would you do more than that? Maybe he has been told from higher up that he needs to get better control of your working hours as it sounds like you are coming and going as you please.

The nature of the work is things crop up at any time and I dealt with those things efficiently.

I have not been coming and going as I please. I will stick to my hours and stop doing the extra from now on. The manager or the part time staff can do it instead.

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LouuLou · 15/05/2026 15:57

Hallamule · 15/05/2026 15:51

Sounds like the new arrangement should work well for both of you. You shouldn't be doing more than your pre-contracted hours anyway.

It won't work as well for my manager as he liked that I deal with things out of hours and super quickly. Now tasks will have to wait and he will have to deal with some of it instead 😂

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