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To think Andy Burnham will not make Labour any more electable.

389 replies

4thweekofjuly · 14/05/2026 17:09

I think there is little appetite for a new PM and a new Labour leader will make 0 difference to their chances of winning. I also think the best the public can hope for, from any government, is a slow, well managed decline. I don't think there is much of a future in the UK and the public need to accept the social contract is no more. .

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hattie43 · 14/05/2026 20:07

Jmaho · 14/05/2026 20:03

@BoredZelda Why Reform? Why not one of the other parties like the Greens for example?

The greens are barking mad . Polanski is about as dodgy as they come and isn’t fit for office . I can see him being removed before the general election .

Safarisagoody · 14/05/2026 20:08

BoredZelda · 14/05/2026 19:51

Yay, so now we’re starting the early pile on of Burnham, and writing off any future Labour leader rather than giving them any kind of chance.

Just say you’re Jonesing for a Reform government and be done with it.

It’s a local election not the general election. I certainly don’t want a reform goverment; but I’d absolutely hold my nose and tactically vote reform in this local election to keep burnham out.

naked greed and ambition, jettisoning the job you were elected to do. Thinking votes are transferable, getting your fellow mp mate to give up his elected role to enable you puts them both in a shockingly bad light and shows just what they think of the electorate.

so yeah, in a local election, I’d vote tactically to keep someone like that out.

Hubbalooloo · 14/05/2026 20:09

cardibach · 14/05/2026 19:33

I’d agree that May was ok. She made mistakes, but I think she genuinely had the country’s best interests at heart (though how she thought hard Brexit was that is incomprehensible). The rest though…

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Yep in hindsight she was ok at least over Brexit. She tried her best

Safarisagoody · 14/05/2026 20:10

Jmaho · 14/05/2026 20:03

@BoredZelda Why Reform? Why not one of the other parties like the Greens for example?

Because reform has the most votes and is likely the onky party that can keep him out. And the greens are even worse. They are worse than the raving mad loony party and more dangerous.

Hubbalooloo · 14/05/2026 20:11

Safarisagoody · 14/05/2026 20:08

It’s a local election not the general election. I certainly don’t want a reform goverment; but I’d absolutely hold my nose and tactically vote reform in this local election to keep burnham out.

naked greed and ambition, jettisoning the job you were elected to do. Thinking votes are transferable, getting your fellow mp mate to give up his elected role to enable you puts them both in a shockingly bad light and shows just what they think of the electorate.

so yeah, in a local election, I’d vote tactically to keep someone like that out.

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Wow you’d vote reform to keep Burnham out ? Blimey.

Sadcafe · 14/05/2026 20:11

I imagine it’s a very safe labour seat, but it would be funny if they actually lost the seat to another party and he ends up out of a job

Safarisagoody · 14/05/2026 20:11

Hubbalooloo · 14/05/2026 20:11

Wow you’d vote reform to keep Burnham out ? Blimey.

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Absolutely, his behaviour is shameful.

Changingplace · 14/05/2026 20:13

Hubbalooloo · 14/05/2026 20:09

Yep in hindsight she was ok at least over Brexit. She tried her best

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Agreed, in a lot of ways she was the most stable of them all.

eastsheener · 14/05/2026 20:13

JimsBeam · 14/05/2026 19:31

Andy Burnham stood in front of me and thousands of others at the Hillsborough memorial service at Anfield and listened. He was instrumental in pushing for the release of documents and calls for an inquiry which lead to the original inquest verdicts being over turned and a new inquest ruling the 97 men, women and children were unlawfully killed. There had been a cover up for 20 years when he walked out at Anfield and he listened and he acted. I will always respect him and be grateful to him for what he helped do for our families and our city. I think we would be lucky to have him as PM.

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ilovebrie8 · 14/05/2026 20:14

He’s stuffed if he doesn’t win the seat. It’s a gamble

TemperanceWest · 14/05/2026 20:14

Sadcafe · 14/05/2026 20:11

I imagine it’s a very safe labour seat, but it would be funny if they actually lost the seat to another party and he ends up out of a job

Not that safe. 5,000 votes between Labour and Reform in 2024.

hattie43 · 14/05/2026 20:14

Sadcafe · 14/05/2026 20:11

I imagine it’s a very safe labour seat, but it would be funny if they actually lost the seat to another party and he ends up out of a job

It’s not a safe Labour seat , that’s what’s so puzzling . I’m guessing it was the only one available after the sitting mp had a Labour together scandal

OneTealShaker · 14/05/2026 20:14

Just so it’s not forgotten. Burnham was the health secretary under Gordon Brown. He’s the one that brought in PFI contracts into the NHS to line his mates pockets. The NHS bleeds billions in taxpayer cash even to this day because of Burnham’s corrupt deals.

OneTealShaker · 14/05/2026 20:15

Hubbalooloo · 14/05/2026 20:11

Wow you’d vote reform to keep Burnham out ? Blimey.

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Blimey, what?

Changingplace · 14/05/2026 20:16

Hubbalooloo · 14/05/2026 20:06

I hope Starmer stays. He’s he’s had a difficult if not impossible challenge and was brave to take it all on after the mess left by the previous government. He was always going to be unpopular. If he goes I think Burnham is the best bet for labour.

I hope if Starmer does stand down as PM he keeps a role leading foreign affairs, he’s genuinely been good on the international stage and has built relationships with world leaders that given the current state of world affairs shouldn’t be lost.

sittingonabeach · 14/05/2026 20:17

@Changingplace it’s the international stage I worry about if Starmer goes

Sewciopath · 14/05/2026 20:18

Sadcafe · 14/05/2026 20:11

I imagine it’s a very safe labour seat, but it would be funny if they actually lost the seat to another party and he ends up out of a job

I wouldn't say its a safe seat. Reform won 24 out of 25 available seats in last week's local elections in Wigan. 11 of those seats/wards sit in the Makerfield constituency and we're all previously extremely safe Labour Council seats.

Datgal · 14/05/2026 20:21

cardibach · 14/05/2026 19:25

The Tories were still blaming it on Labour after 14 years…
Do you really think 14 years of self serving incompetence and stupid austerity can be unwound so fast?

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Yep. Absolutely. And tbh We're still seeing the disastrous effects after Thatcher was in power.

Nuthatch26 · 14/05/2026 20:22

InveterateWineDrinker · 14/05/2026 17:17

St Andy of Burnham is a cynical career opportunist who has managed to position himself as the King over the Water without having ever actually delivered anything he's promised in his life, because he promises everything then bottles it.

Greater Manchester CAZ anyone?

AKA Andy's Van Tax: "I will tax polluting vehicles off the road to meet my legal obligations on air quality, but nobody who might vote for me will actually have to pay it because I know it's a vote loser." The proposed tax was therefore loaded onto commercial vehicles instead and he went and had a celebratory wank to congratulate himself on his genius.... right up until the point someone pointed out that small business owners vote too.

The proposed CAZ was paused in 2022 and there has been nothing proposed since.

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Yep, this 💯

The signs for CAZ had already been erected too, costing £600K of taxpayers money to remove them.
Manchester has done well thanks to cheap land and outside investment. At least we have pretty yellow buses with bees on. 🙄
I hope Burnham doesn't think he can simply crawl back to being mayor if he loses this by election. Entitled prick.

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Yogabearmous · 14/05/2026 20:23

OneTealShaker · 14/05/2026 18:50

Picture this:

Andy Burnham stands for the parliamentary seat.

Reform throw the kitchen sink at the by election for parliamentary seat and Manchester mayoralty.

Walter Titty and the party of weirdos and misfits split the vote in both elections.

Reform win the parliamentary seat and the mayoralty.

Andy Burnham, who set out to unseat Keir Starmer now has no office.

Entertainmet gold. Reform voters need to make this happen. Your country needs you.

😂

HoldMyWine · 14/05/2026 20:24

I will absolutely piss myself if he is beaten by Reform. If I was a voter there I would be really pissed off that it was assumed I would vote for him.

Viviennemary · 14/05/2026 20:25

I'm sick of the lot of them. Nothing but a load of leftie rabble who'll bankrupt the country.

Nuthatch26 · 14/05/2026 20:26

HoldMyWine · 14/05/2026 20:24

I will absolutely piss myself if he is beaten by Reform. If I was a voter there I would be really pissed off that it was assumed I would vote for him.

This is a very likely scenario.

Littleorangeonaplate · 14/05/2026 20:32

He’s steered Manchester into being a very nice place to live.

Datgal · 14/05/2026 20:37

Nuthatch26 · 14/05/2026 20:22

Yep, this 💯

The signs for CAZ had already been erected too, costing £600K of taxpayers money to remove them.
Manchester has done well thanks to cheap land and outside investment. At least we have pretty yellow buses with bees on. 🙄
I hope Burnham doesn't think he can simply crawl back to being mayor if he loses this by election. Entitled prick.

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It was the Tory gov forcing the councils into caz. Burnham issued a statement to that fact. But it suited the Tories to make everyone think it was him.