To wonder why people choose to live in London?

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I always wonder. And reading a recent thread prompted me to ask the question. Why do people do it by choice? People complain about the house prices (rightly), ulez, nursery fees, cost of everything being more expensive, commutes, tubes etc.

if you’re not absolutely tied to London for work or health or I guess family. Why do you choose to live there when there are so many cheaper easier lifestyle options in the country?

I will admit that your incoherently structured sentences do offend me somewhat.

How exactly do I benefit from 'social cleansing'?

And while you're at it, want to answer my questions? Thought not. Because you're part of the exact same problem you're accusing others of.

Yeah being " allowed" maybe. I wasn't asking that More of how uneducated Peruvian parents could afford plane fare and accomodation

The trouble is though, stating opinions like London is now better as it has gone from mono to multi cultural is frankly offensive and part of the narrative that London is now better in some way as a result of that transition. London has been multicultural for a very long time, it is the very fabric of the city that would have made it attractive to those looking for a more welcoming and diverse city to begin with. It is really outrageous to suggest anything other than that and a kick in the face for those being displaced by international wealth. It is the poorer for it IMO

You keep personally attacking me with the 'incoherent' arguments, why can't you just stick to debating.

The shift to multiculture has been a process over the last 70 years. Where did I ever say I grew up in a monoculture?

@Goldenbear

No need to be jumpy - I didn’t say anything about you specifically. Just said many people who don’t live in the large metropolises across the world often say what you said in your OP - why would? chaos, pollution, etc.

Not sure why the automatic assumption that people who like living here or any large global city - are only idle wealthy elites.

It sounds like you are struggling with something and taking it out on some external people who made your life harder.

I’m afraid that because you started off by having a go at people for saying they liked independent food shops or whatever, they then respond defensively and it ends up with basically shouting at each other at cross purposes rather than a sensible discussion. Maybe time to step away from the thread?

It isn't my OP, I don't think they have been seen for dust because what this thread is about is being devisive by encouraging a boast fest.

It just sounds like you’re trying to make a thread about a place in the U.K. as bitter, negative and argumentative as possible.

70 years! You didn't imply that as well you know as we have been discussing its global city status which really began about 30 years ago. I know for a fact that London was multicultural not mono cultural before this change in status. I assumed you must have grown up in a part of London that didn't have that diversity to refer to it as being mono culture until recently.

Yes, probably right have a good evening !

@Goldenbear
OK - sorry, not your OP. Important to be clear on details. And full disclosure - I didn’t read all your comments,

But I don’t think this thread is a boast fest. People can talk about preferring large global cites vs smaller, or even urban living.
It is NOT about you, or commenting about your personal situation and preferences.
It only seems triggering to you because of how you are feeling about life in general.

Looking for external reasons for our internal problems is not unusual. Comes in many areas of lives.

Here is a reminder of the OP. People are just replying. Aka boasting 😂

if you’re not absolutely tied to London for work or health or I guess family. Why do you choose to live there when there are so many cheaper easier lifestyle options in the country?

we have been discussing its global city status which really began about 30 years ago. 😂

London became a global city nearly 200 years ago! It was the financial capital of the world and the busiest port in the Victorian era. It became a hub for immigration then. It has been a massive draw to people wanting more culture and diversity since then. I think it's you that seems to be limiting what people are talking about to the last 30 years.

You don't debate or answer questions. You haven't answered a single question. You throw out poorly worded and constructed accusations and make assumptions. You're irrational and engagement with you is a head-banging exercise.

Again. How is someone moving to London, driving up house prices and displacing someone who was born here different from you moving out of London, driving up house prices and displacing someone?

It's not like people on this thread are absentee landlords or laundering money through empty property. We're specifically talking about living here and because some of it doesn't fit with your world view (no one has the time or money to choose to shop at independent shops), it's wrong.

Good for you!

I really don’t want to live anywhere else.
If people don’t get it, honestly, why should I care?
Stay in your “more
manageable” towns or wherever - knock yourselves out 🤷‍♀️

I think there's a strong case for dating London's status as a global city back to the Romans.

Here is a cool place you can visit for free. It was discovered during excavations for a tower block.

London Mithraeum https://share.google/xJiFaY6hS2AxSTTdm

I was the most pro London person you could find for 30+ years. Lately my area has become a bit scary due to aggressive drug addicts and I am starting to tire of it. But I probably still won’t move due to work (I work in TV) and opportunities for my DD who wants to work in theatre. There is so much to love in general though if you are into arts and culture. I still get pinch me moments all the time when doing something amazing here that I probably wouldn’t get to do if I lived somewhere else. And I do feel part of my local community. I also wouldn’t move anywhere where the majority of people don’t vote for a left wing party due to my beliefs so that does rule out a lot of places!

In fact, I actually did grow up in Richmond in the 1980s and it was not a monoculture. There were people with all kinds of different origins (including me).

there Has been a definite shift in the last 30 years as to the meaning of multi culturalism. It has been multi cultural for a long time but there has been a definite shift in the other culture taking precedence which has been difficult for the city to adapt to. As I said earlier, when I grew up in the 1980s I had classmates from many different religions and ethnicities but it literally never came up in bc conversation. I know a few people were Jewish and went to synagogue and close mate of mine was Hindu but we went around each others houses and even though visually I could perhaps see their houses had different things in them to mine we all just played along together. We were all British first and all the other stuff was just not interesting. We were just friends. No one dressed any differently or put religion above anything else. It just feels now that doesn’t happen as much sadly and it causing a divide as different groups make demands on everyone else to comply.

Who is asking who to comply with what? I'm not sure what you mean.

As for children of different origins and religions all playing together and getting on, that is exactly how things are today and have been pretty much since the 70s (I can't speak for any earlier since I wasn't around to witness it).

Is it? My cousin's lives in tower hamlets with her daughters. They never get invited to friends houses etc. Even at primary age all the other kids spent weekends with " cousins" etc. rather than playdates with the white girls. And she did try and invite the kids to her home etc

Think it's a bit different with the boys

Thats one borough

I know it's one borough but it's the experience she has there.

So it's not the case of all the kids play together nowadays as the PP said