Almost 80 MPs have called for Starmer to Resign. Streeting making his move before Burnham has a chance to get in. Leadership election between Starmer, Streeting & Rayner, & a few MPs looking to make a name. Official Tue 12th?

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Link to spreadsheet of Labour MPS calling for resignation - https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/2053925699824574889

Streeting has to make his move now, Starmer will never be this weak and he has the chance to go now.

Burnham might be more likely to win, but he is not in, and where exactly is a safe seat by election they could parachute him in for? (nowhere)

So - Streeting will never have a better chance of being PM, he pulls the trigger NOW or he never pulls it at all.

I did say on Thursday that I thought it would be Friday or Monday.... Tuesday is a pretty good guess.

This is a quiet Bat People moment... That Speech... not worth remembering...

Nothing?

literally nothing?

you can’t think of anything that might challenge that?

Starting with absolute destruction at local elections?

I can’t believe you’re still banging this tired old drum. How many people have to tell you there won’t be a GE this side of 2029 before it finally sinks in?

Well I’d like some reasons further than “Labour don’t have to”

you know given Starmer is about to quit and Labour have a leadership election.

Nope. Local elections and General Elections are different things. They have a 5 year national mandate. They only go if they choose to.

I suggest you ask a toddler as they probably have a better understanding of the UK parliamentary system than you.😊

But that’s the reason. They were elected with a massive majority for 5 years. They don’t have to go to the country again until the end of that.

No. So obviously no it’s insane.

a government hanging on by its fingernails is not a good look.that’s why they go early.

Cameron quit - no election
May quit - no election
Johnson quit - no election
Truss quit - no election

Do you see the pattern here?

It hasn’t. Their mandate is for 5 years. It was given in a GE. It can only be taken away by a GE. And nobody can make Labour call one until the end of their term.

They aren’t hanging on by their fingernails. The6 have a huge majority. Because local elections don't determine the government.

The “Cameron / May / Johnson / Truss quit and there was no election” argument does not prove what people think it proves.

Yes, constitutionally a party can change leader without a general election.

But politically, every one of those changes damaged legitimacy.

Cameron quit after Brexit and the country entered years of paralysis.

May quit because she had lost authority over Brexit.

Johnson quit after confidence in him collapsed and ministers walked out.

Truss lasted 49 days because her agenda had no mandate and the markets, MPs and public rejected it.

So yes, they limped on without an immediate election. But that is not the same as having democratic legitimacy.

And we have had early elections before: February 1974, October 1974, 2017 and 2019 all happened before the full term was up because politics had become unstable or the government needed a fresh mandate.

So the question is not “can they technically avoid an election?” They can.

The question is whether a new PM after a political collapse can plausibly claim a mandate to govern for years without asking the public.

That is a very different argument.

“Local elections don’t determine the government” is such a weird straw man because nobody said they do.

What they do determine is whether the governing party still has public support, momentum and legitimacy.

Governments with huge majorities can absolutely end up hanging on by their fingernails politically. That is literally what happened to Major, May, Johnson and Truss. Parliamentary arithmetic is not the same thing as political authority.

If a governing party loses councils across the country, loses vote share everywhere, gets humiliated by opposition parties and starts panicking internally, that matters enormously. MPs notice. Donors notice. The media notices. Cabinet ministers notice.

A massive majority on paper does not magically make voters happy or make a government politically stable.

Liz Truss technically had a majority too. Look how that went.

It’s not. Technicality. It’s the facts of the case. They call an election only when they want to up to the end of the 5 years term.

This does feel like a toddler going why why why

Just place your bet

That’s exactly what it’s like. @SingleSexSpacesInSchools has been at it incessantly for days.

Well, don’t come crying to us when Reform get in and do a Liz Truss and your pension fund shrinks to nothing.

I did.

40% GE 2026. 50% 2027 probably pre Easter.

I won’t be crying.

given that the borrowing rate for the UK government is what 10% higher than when we rightly chucked Liz out of the top job.

the country is totally fucked. We need massive economic overhaul. And I don’t trust Keir to do it.

So you’re saying those who didn’t call an immediate election still had democratic legitimacy. Well, KS and his government still have democratic legitimacy. And they will continue to even if KS goes. So an immediate election isn’t needed here.

I went to the pub for like the last 72 hours in case nobody noticed.

And yet there still will be one. We cannot survive like this the world has changed at too much.

There’ll be one in your dreams lol.

You can’t just will a general election into existence.

Your debating skills are ⬇️