Almost 80 MPs have called for Starmer to Resign. Streeting making his move before Burnham has a chance to get in. Leadership election between Starmer, Streeting & Rayner, & a few MPs looking to make a name. Official Tue 12th?

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Link to spreadsheet of Labour MPS calling for resignation - https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/2053925699824574889

Streeting has to make his move now, Starmer will never be this weak and he has the chance to go now.

Burnham might be more likely to win, but he is not in, and where exactly is a safe seat by election they could parachute him in for? (nowhere)

So - Streeting will never have a better chance of being PM, he pulls the trigger NOW or he never pulls it at all.

I did say on Thursday that I thought it would be Friday or Monday.... Tuesday is a pretty good guess.

This is a quiet Bat People moment... That Speech... not worth remembering...

Those things are not themselves Fascistic though are they?

it’s not that every word Hitler ever said, was Fascistic, that’s ridiculous.

Farages quotes there seem like mild nationalism at worst, classic patriotism at best.

Fascism does not mean things you don’t like. It does a huge diss service to the millions who died under the Nazis to say these words are anything like pre ww2.

It's not an attempt to censor the thread if you state that you disagree with something someone has said. I'm sure if all input is valued people people's posts can be challenged.

I totally agree @TemperanceWest

EDIT: Another user on another thread also made a similar point about this. I have been criticised on previous threads for suggesting this minimising Nazism. I don’t believe it does though, and it was not at all my intention to do that.

You asked me to provide direct quotes showing parallels between Hitler's rhetoric and Farage's. I have done so.

Fascism does not mean things you don’t like

Where have I said that anything I don't like is facism?

I don't think you are here for a serious debate, tbh.

@ilovesooty, disagreeing with posts is part of the discussion too, valued input.

If you think people are wrong, challenge the argument, that’s healthy debate. But I don’t think saying certain views shouldn’t be expressed helps the conversation.

People will disagree strongly on this thread, but open discussion is part of what these forums are for.

The things Hitler said are derived even from Mussolini so let’s not pretend they are original. Right wing nationalist movements, never mind actual fascist ones, use the same language of a country being invaded, a fantastic past, fears for women and children from foreigners, and calls for women to nuture more children.

Farage is more self interested than fascist, imo. I don’t really know what the top levels of Reform think.

thats not a comparison - those are similar ish things, the things said were not fascistic. Farage's certainly not.

Fascism is a far-right authoritarian political ideology where the state, nation, or leader is treated as more important than individual freedom, usually enforced through nationalism, propaganda, violence, and the suppression of opposition.

It's not this

I didn't call Farage a fascist, actually. I said there were parallels between his rhetoric and Hitler's.

Maybe you are blase about Farage. I am not. He is dangerous and the fact people are taken in by him scares me.

I really don't understand why Starmer hasn't resigned. Surely he has to see it is inevitable at this point?

No. Farage is a serious person. His jokey persona is a concern. But my point is that it is not very clear about what people are voting for when they vote Reform. You could guess there was a racialist element. Or maybe there is not. I think it is a party that allows people to feel more than think about what would actively happen if they had control. Thats pretty good for getting votes of undecided people.

Feelings are a stupid basis on which to vote, but people do. It means they can claim not to be responsible later

He's stubborn and has placed his own interests ahead of those of the party. He clearly still believes he can still turn round the fortunes of Labour. I image he's also determined not to have the humiliation of being ousted in less than two years.

Why should he? Because some of the idiotic Labour MPs have said he should?

I am concerned about the conflation of very different things, under the name of possibly the worst thing for humanity to ever have done.

It helps no one and it means people shut down.

Farage - is not Hitler, not even a little bit and it's obviously not useful to compare things the way you have.

Because the next time there IS a fascist, the little boy will have cried wolf too many times and people miss it. And I sure as hell don't want that.

Well I'd say because the electorate has just very clearly shown they are pissed off with the government and the government needs to change course. Now. And if Starmer won't do it (he won't) we need a new leader to do it.

thats why.

its a reasonable point given the people Reform attract who do like these ideas, are explicit about it, and find comfort in this party.

www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/new-sheffield-reform-councillor-said-uk-has-subhuman-underclass-and-shared-images-of-nazi-flags-8541132

No it's not reasonable. Because the party is not its supporters. I have not read through, those people may be the scum of the earth, I don;t want anythign to do with racists. But you cannot say a party is its supporters, it's not.

You can guarantee there are literally hundreds of thousands of paedophiles who support Labour - that does not make the government all nonces.

It is a reasonable question why Reform attract people with political ideas that are racist and fascist and seek elected office. That does not make Farage a fascist. You do have to wonder why these people are attracted to Reform

Starmer can hang for all I care now. The pig prioritised big business and their desire to exploit children, over protecting children. He used to be in charge of the CPS for fuck sake. He is utter, utter scum.

The guy was a party member. The guy who took delight in Sikh women being raped was a party member. They are (or were) the party. For every one that becomes embarrassing enough to chuck out, there will be many more who didn't have a digital paper trail of their real opinions discovered.

Are you saying that the Labour Party membership isn't important?

It is really worrying the way people feel comfortable making accusations like this in the 21st century.

Apparently we are being warned, our ignorance will allow a Farage government to turn UK citizens into monsters, that would execute the atrocities of the past on our present day citizens. And we are burying our heads in the sand.

Racism is ugly, racism causes harm. No one should be denigrated over something as puerile as the colour of their skin, their race or their gender.

But brandishing around words and phrases, that are equally harmful for society does not let you off the hook because you believe that your beliefs make you morally superior.

Those of you who exercise your right to call Farage the second coming of Hitler, don’t say it I believe because you actually mean it. Do you say it as weapon? Is your intention to hurt people by calling them the most awful thing imaginable? In its own way a mirror of what the racists do.

Me personally, if I went round saying things like that, I would have the inner awareness to know that I am hurting the ancestors of those for who this is their family history and myself.

Reform's elected representatives included Holocaust deniers and people who suggest Nigerians should be melted down to fill potholes.

People are allowed to point out some of the unsavoury and unpleasant people that Reform attracts. They are presumably attracted to some of the rhetoric they deploy, which is nationalistic and right wing.

The gentleman in the Sheffield Star who talks about people in the UK as subhuman or a underclass is a member of Reform. Obviously it is fair to point this stuff out so people at least can see what they are in part voting for.

Who has called Farage the second coming of Hitler? No-one. But there are parallels between Hitler's rhetoric and Farage's.

Do you know what? I do not actually listen to anything Farage says. So I accuse myself of burying my head in the sand on that particular issue.

But brandishing around hateful terms and phrases does no one any good, the morally virtuous or the racist.