Almost 80 MPs have called for Starmer to Resign. Streeting making his move before Burnham has a chance to get in. Leadership election between Starmer, Streeting & Rayner, & a few MPs looking to make a name. Official Tue 12th?

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Link to spreadsheet of Labour MPS calling for resignation - https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/2053925699824574889

Streeting has to make his move now, Starmer will never be this weak and he has the chance to go now.

Burnham might be more likely to win, but he is not in, and where exactly is a safe seat by election they could parachute him in for? (nowhere)

So - Streeting will never have a better chance of being PM, he pulls the trigger NOW or he never pulls it at all.

I did say on Thursday that I thought it would be Friday or Monday.... Tuesday is a pretty good guess.

This is a quiet Bat People moment... That Speech... not worth remembering...

The argument goes something like this:
The UK committed to rapid “net zero” policies, meaning moving away from fossil fuels towards renewable energy and electrification. Critics argue this pushed up costs in several ways:

• Energy prices rose because the UK reduced domestic oil and gas production while relying more on expensive imports and intermittent renewables needing backup systems.
• Green levies and subsidies were added to energy bills to fund renewable infrastructure and insulation schemes.
• Businesses faced higher energy and compliance costs, which were then passed on through higher prices for food, manufacturing, transport and services.
• Petrol and diesel costs increased through taxes, environmental rules and pressure against fossil fuel investment.
• Farmers and industry faced stricter environmental regulations, increasing production costs.
• Large government borrowing and spending on green transition projects may also have contributed to inflationary pressure.

Critics therefore say net zero acted like a “cost multiplier” across the whole economy because energy sits underneath almost everything people buy.

I don't know what scares me more

Our Ang as PM or him calling a general election now.

Exactly. it's all populist BS.

I wish people were prepared to actually look at facts.

They already bought it!

I think the only real learning from tnis is how short termist and impatient people are now. No-one has stamina to build anything, no ability to work towards rewards. We had 14 years of overt austerity, the self indulgence of Brexit (whichever way you voted you can’t be impressed with the transition) and now people think you can switch out the leader when something shiny comes along, like a less tanned love island. There’s absolutely no hope of this country getting better when the loudest minority support Reform. Even if you agree with them on immigration, they have absolutely no policies or plans to rebuild anything. So our dirty water, expensive energy and food insecurity will stay the same. They’ll reverse renters rights, cut NHS funding and some of you think you’ll be better off. Maybe they’ll save money on asylum. Though it’s going to pretty pricey to detain and deport thousands of people with ILR. And I wonder who will get those contracts…

It feels like we’re on our way to a failed state.

Yep. Labour MPs are idiots. Unless they are secretly Reform stooges of course.

Germany have also suicided its economy in order to try to do netzero.
but we buy all our tat from China so have no control over what happens outside this country. Whilst we simultaneously degrade our countries ability to compete.

Without a functioning economy we are doomed.

The UK’s energy price crisis was mainly driven by global gas prices after Ukraine, not “net zero.” We’d still have paid international market rates for North Sea oil and gas, because that’s how energy markets work. Renewables are now some of the cheapest electricity sources available, and countries less dependent on gas were generally less exposed to the shock. There are fair criticisms about how the transition is being managed, but blaming net zero for inflation and the cost of living crisis ignores Brexit, post-Covid supply shocks, weak growth and the UK’s heavy reliance on gas in the first place.

There are some genuinely big cultural differences between traditional Islamic societies and modern British/Northern European values, and pretending otherwise helps nobody.

Broadly speaking, Northern European culture tends to prioritise individualism: personal freedom, secularism, free speech, privacy, women’s independence, questioning authority, and the idea that the individual comes before the family, community or religion.

More traditional Muslim cultures often place far greater emphasis on collectivism: family honour, religious authority, community expectations, modesty, social conformity, and the idea that the group or faith comes before the individual.

You can see the clash in areas like:

• Blasphemy and free speech: Britain largely accepts the right to criticise or mock religion. Many Islamic cultures do not.
• Family structure: British culture tends to encourage independence from parents and extended family; many Muslim cultures are far more family and community centred.
• Gender roles: Northern Europe has some of the world’s strongest expectations around sex equality and female autonomy. Traditional Islamic norms are often more conservative.
• Religion in public life: Britain is increasingly secular; Islam tends to remain deeply embedded in law, identity and daily behaviour.

None of this means every Muslim believes the same thing, or that integration is impossible. But these are real cultural tensions, not imaginary ones, and mature societies should be able to discuss them openly without immediately descending into accusations or denial.

No immigration at all? How, we’re already significantly below the fertility replacement rate required?

@MandingoAteMyBaby read what octopus energy chief says

That’s… that’s not how it works. Even if Starmer is out the government is labour until the next election in 2029. Farage isn’t labour.

We can’t just keep voting in governments then trying to force them into a different format every year. That’s not our political system and one year terms would only make everything worse.

Labour won the GE. You can’t throw your toys out of the pram because you don’t like that.

Nice one. Next, can you ask ChatGPT who it was that decided foreign owned energy supply was great and sold off our assets?

That’s only half the story though.

Yes, the Ukraine war and global gas prices were a huge shock. But net zero policies arguably made the UK far more exposed and less resilient to that shock in the first place.

The UK deliberately reduced domestic gas storage, discouraged long-term North Sea investment, shut reliable generation before replacement capacity existed, and increased dependence on intermittent renewables backed by gas. At the same time, households and industry were loaded with green levies, carbon pricing and regulatory costs.

It’s also misleading to say renewables are simply “cheap”. The generation itself can be cheap when the wind blows, but the total system costs, grid upgrades, backup generation, storage and constraint payments are enormous and ultimately paid by consumers.

So critics aren’t saying net zero single-handedly caused inflation. They’re saying it acted as an accelerant: increasing energy fragility, industrial costs and household bills at exactly the wrong time.

Brexit, Covid supply shocks and weak growth all mattered too. But energy policy sits underneath the whole economy, so making energy structurally more expensive has consequences everywhere.

Yes she's no loss.

Would sooner you respond in your own words, we could use AI too but this is a discussion forum.

Hopefully we’ll die out and someone sensible can take over.

The bullet points and ideas are mine I use the AI to pull it together, then check, amend, and send.

address the issues mentioned if you’d like to.

They are my points. I sometimes use an AI to polish sentence structure and paragraphs but what I do is go to the AI putting in my argument put in my bullet points and then initiate it and pull it around it again.

Maybe you should address the actual point that I brought up in it rather than attacking the structure of the sentence

I am so tired of pointing out to people that I won’t again but one last time governments look for legitimacy if the country does not feel they have legitimacy then there has to be a general election or civil unrest and the constant calls for a general election will not go away

😂

How about we make it economically viable and attractive to have children rather than something that people put off?

I agree. She, personally, is no loss.

However, it wouldn't matter if her name was Telly Tubby and she was in charge of pencils. The point is that a well known minister with a high profile has resigned over this.

I don't think you are clutching - see https://www.housing.org.uk/resources/the-draft-commonhold-and-leasehold-reform-bill/

Ok so you can’t address them. Thought not.

Yeah, just use your own words and then it will be worthwhile engaging. ‘Critics say’ isn’t worth the energy.