Is a more left Labour government what people want?

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I keep hearing statement after statement from Labour MPs and Rayner saying they essentially want a more left version of the Labour Party. From my understanding the majority of the public are fed up with work not paying and whether we like it or not, nothing being done about the welfare state and also illegal immigrants. Surely a more left approach isn’t going to solve either of these issues and will just cause Labour to be even less popular than they are now. Or have I got it all wrong?

Spot on.

The fake empathy for Gaza is just so they have a stick with which to beat the RW. It’s performative nonsense - akin to JSO and Greta Thunberg’s dumb antics.

Ps. Hold up a blank map of the Middle East, and ask them to point out where Gaza is….

@Oncemorewithsomewhen you say housing being bought under control what do you mean?

I don’t currently want any type of Labour government

that doesn’t necessarily mean that I want Reform

I think concerns about immigration is the scape goat for a more general sense of there being scarcity. Address the scarcity people won’t be so worried about immigration.

But on a pure facts basis we need urgently working adults to come to this country and pay tax or we need British people to have more babies. Probably both.
Otherwise the baby boomer pensions will be unaffordable. The state pension is a pyramid scheme, the younger generations have to pay tax to fund the older ones. So if we see a big reduction in people of younger generations then we’re in trouble.

@acourtofmistandfurywhat, tearing down people who don’t think before having child after child. Stop making people feel guilty for pointing out that these policies burn cash. It would be better to look at how you can get people back in work - pay for childcare (rather than just give money) so both parents can work. On the new minimum wage, if they get HA then they’d have around £50k to live off a year. There is no incentive to work. Those who rely on UC expect it, it has gone from generation to generation. The government needs to incentivise people to work and not rely on the state.

There are other choices ... Lib Dems to the Left or Conservative to the Right

@acourtofmistandfury because she has told me. I don’t vote right. You’re obviously either in receipt of benefits and sensitive about what I’ve said or in a privileged position where you don’t worry about money coming in. I’d rather actually work hard and just be able to live, without knowing it goes to people who take, take, take and don’t give anything back.

Sorry - what is RW? And JSO? (probably being dumb but it is early)

Well they do have years of Tory mismanagement and pilfering to sort out, but I wouldn’t say this government are all that left-leaning.

Lifting children out of poverty should always be a priority in a civilised society, surely anyone with a modicum of decency would agree that the cap should never have been there in the first place. Personally I’d prefer the money for schools, NHS etc to come from corporation and top earner taxation, and bring public services into public ownership, not having us paying for a (shitty) service to give some greedy millionaire another big fat bonus, the money coming in goes back into the service.

Definitely and I suspect these are the choices people will be making come the next general election

@KatiePricesKnickerswell I guess I’m not most people then. Where I live we have high levels of immigration, I am also first generation. We have a big Islamic community so we definitely do give a shit about Palestine, not in an abstract way, but as many of our friends and my children’s school friends have family there.
SEND is also a very important issue to me.
I work in social care and see that the whole country would collapse literally without immigration. There are 4 African carers to every 1 white British one in many caring roles.
Recently we tried to recruit, every white British person could not give a shit about the role enough to even read the job description. They couldn’t even answer ‘why do you want the job?’
The whole country is divided. But I can only see things from my perspective, which is that we need to stop making excuses for some lazy British people and celebrate the immigrants who are actually paying taxes and keeping the country afloat.

Because the Tories were equally useless.

Sorry - Right wing, and Just stop oil.

Labour is almost pathologically incapable of getting it right. The election is a bloodbath, so what does Sir Keir Starmer do? Bring back a couple of uber-Blairites into the fold! The problem is that Labour think they’ll win voters back by “changing tactics” or going backwards (this is no longer the same world in which “New Labour” was such a success), and as a result of this bloody wishy-washy nonsense AND looking backwards 30+ years for answers to today’s problems, they’ve made Reform look competent enough to elect.

Whether Reform actually are or not can only be determined by time; they have no experience, but Labour had tons of experience and they still couldn’t pull their heads out of their arses.

Under Blair, immigration ran at around 240k net.

Almost all white so called christian european workers (most didn't have children or bring their parents with them) doing jobs we didn't want to do.... a great deal of these people have returned home, hence even greater crisis in social & health care.

In 2010, EU membership and migration didn't figure in the top 10 of peoples concerns.

..until the right started on making sure it did become an issue, Bojo, Farage various media outlets etc.

4 million people, primarily from Africa and SE Asia came to the UK in 3 years under Bojo and Sunak..... they will never return, yet you think Labour were/are the problem.

Funny how more right leaning posters don't mention this huge and permanent change in the UKs culture and population.

Thank you!

Re Gaza, I think it would be reasonable for UK candidates to focus on issues that affect the UK - especially in the recent local elections which were fuck all to do with Gaza.

100%.

Many are facing challenges in their daily lives - they don’t have the luxury of worrying about Gaza. The same LW’ers who congratulate Starmer for ‘staying out’ of Iran, are very animated about Gaza - funny that….

I want a more left wing labour yes. I want people to pay their fair share of tax to fund the nhs, schools, police, etc I want people to have basic human empathy and respect for all human beings. I want to save our planet for our childrens future. I don't want fear and hate.

But we aren't going to get that, Reform will likely win the next general despite failing councils because the media is now bias to billionaires who run the world.

But they won't make anyones life better, only worse and in 10 years we will all be back to voting labour or tories again and this whole cycle will repeat.

@Twiglets1totally agree, especially at a local level

Pure speculation, whilst Labour’s faults are apparent, right here, right now.

@hollygoolightly we need a centre ground! The far left seem to pick and choose the groups of people whose HR they have empathy for! Judging by a lot of their members and candidates empathy for Jews is not on the agenda!

You've proved my point. Reform will win because people will want to see if they can actually make things better. But your all kidding yourselves. The only peoples lives they will make better are millionaires and themselves.

Following your logic.

How bad are Labour if people are willing to vote for Reform en masse? What does that say about Labour - that they have driven such numbers to Reform?

I’m neither - I’m just above minimum wage and struggling. But that doesn’t mean I want to take things away from others. I recognise that it would do nothing to improve my situation. Do you have any answers to the questions I asked?

@Alexandra2001 oh no !
Remember they famously didn't count anyone in ! So it was only when maternity wards hit crisis meaures and schools suddenly needed to build extra classrooms on play grounds , smaller charities were swamped with cases ,social services couldn't cope many children were in need to help etc meals on wheels pulled to fund other services that the true numbers really came to pass.

It's all been out in the open now and even the private convos when someone said...many more people may come and Blair ignored it.