Council Elections

[OneTealShaker]

The first declared seats going to Reform.

Reform +2
Labour -1

Buckle up people.

We knew they were history in Wales. In her resignation speech the FM has just said people should have remembered they were voting for Wales and not Starmer, even she knows people want him gone.

Indeed: in terms of control rather than seats:

• Wales: Plaid predicted to gain power (replacing Labour)

• Scotland: SNP likely to be biggest party (as before)

• England: Not many councils changed hands so far. Labour have lost 15 but most to no overall control rather than another party. Believe Reform have gained 6: Essex and Suffolk counties (from Tories), London Borough of Havering (from Tories), Newcastle-Under-Lyme (from Tories), Thurrock (from Labour) and Sunderland (from Labour)

Starmer has already said - he isn’t going anywhere. I know very little about devolved politics, so can’t comment on what it may be like for people living in Wales or Scotland, but for those of us in England (and especially those of us who didn’t have elections yesterday) it won’t make one iota of noticeable difference. There are 317 councils in England - only 136 councils had voting yesterday.

If you call ordinary people with genuine concerns far right racists, they will vote for far right racists.

OK.

If we'd called them hippy treehuggers instead, would they have voted Green?

Or.... hear me out... do you think they voted for the far right racists because they're either happy to align themselves with far right racists, or are, in fact, far right racists?

People need to own their decisions. Ordinary people can have genuine concerns about all sorts of things without voting for the far right. I am wildly and genuinely concerned about climate change. I wouldn't vote Green.

It's fucking easy - if you have a brain.

Wish my council would hurry up and start announcing. Going to be one hell of a swing but | suspect NOC.

And nobody has the guts to ask this questions - if so many Afghans were granted asylum in the UK, US, Europe because they 'were helping our armed forces and were translators' - how come the Taliban won, I mean, by sheer numbers everyone seemed to have been a translator for the Allied Forces or a helper - so who was then helping the Taliban? If they, clad in nightgowns and flip-flops, saw the most powerful armies with the most modern equipment off? Basically, who the fuck are those Afghans here? Who are they?

He has said that yes, but it’s not entirely down to him. Others may challenge.

Oh good grief. No, it really isn't....

@usernamegal Said When will people stop voting out of hatred? Just because they want illegal immigrants gone, this will solve none of that! That's why people voted Brexit too. And illegal immigration grew exponentially.
Illegal immigration grew because no party would bother to change the Human Rights laws that would enable the criminals and the illegals to be deported, There was not the will for action.
Well we still want action, so after 10 years of being ignored we have voted for Reform. At least they say they will do something after the next GE.
Yesterday we voted for Reform as a vote of confidence and to show that we will support them when the time comes.

Do you mean change tack? Or is this something else you mean?

Who did you vote for? Please not the Greens 😂 otherwise your comments might be sent right back to you (rightly so)

The irony is enchanting. You claim 'reality is reality', then you go on to reference abusive and emotional behaviour when the PP's comment was perfectly measured and civil.

You suggest to her that 'people like you' feel better by calling Brexit voters 'racist and stupid and all manner of names', yet the PP has not used any of those terms nor called anyone names. Any reader can read exactly what is written. We can see what she said and what she didn't. It's right there in black and white

I suggest that if your above post is a broader indication of your tenuous grasp on reality, OP, then you're hardly in a position to pontificate to others about what it means.

They presumably mean "change tack". Or perhaps "tactics". But is it really that helpful to the discussion to be focusing on people's spelling/grammar here?

I'll ask again: how those who want to defeat Reform (which includes me) think we might persuade someone (or want our politicians both local and national to persuade someone) who is thinking of voting for Reform, say, to vote for someone else instead and that it would be in their own best interests to do so? How could we go about demonstrating that to them and changing their minds? What strategies might actually work, do we think?

I voted Reform. My reason is that Brexit harmed my family so much that I will keep using my vote to harm others. I will vote only for REFORM.

Sadly neither does pointing out reality to them.

There was NO alternative but to vote an independant.
Snp are destroying my beautiful country from the inside
Greens are loonies
Reform, there are no words
Who got yours?

No voting here. Quite a bit of the country didn't have local elections.

An independent for the local issues makes most sense in local elections. I would have voted in a similar manner, independent.

The SNP appear to be either independence bashing over and over, no matter if its wanted or not, oh and that awful gender self ID! Otherwise similar to the Greens from an outsider perspective.

Absolutely there are some people who just reject calls for lower migration as far right racists.
But Labour have been continuing policies of previous govt and tightening up rules. E.g. making it much harder to being familiy members into UK. Also the Hone Secretary is proposing to make migrants wait longer before they can apply for ILR.
So I would suggest that what the govt are actually doing shouldn't be interpreted as dismissive of those who are calling for tougher measures.
Maybe its not enough but neither is it calling people racist.

What have we got?
Isn't this an opportunity for Reform voters/candidates to show us how they want things to run?
Do you think if they hadn't been called racists they would have voted for a different party?

Labour and Tories absolutely destroyed in Sunderland - Labour down 45 wards and Tories have none left. Reform took them all. Interestingly Libdems hung on to their 12 wards.

LibDems generally having a really good election - picking up seats from both Tories and Labour.

If people want a protest vote I'm always surprised the LibDems don't do better.
It's not that they're something wonderful, more that they've never seemed as bad as Reform and especially the Greens

Maybe it's the appeal of something shiny and new ...?

Reform mopped the floor. Let’s hope it carries over to the general election and Rupert Lowe’s Restore UK is ready to go by then.

How are you harming others?

I feel very excited that the Greens have stormed a win of my local council. I'm excited for a change.

WTAF! Yeah that’ll show em!