Council Elections

[OneTealShaker]

The first declared seats going to Reform.

Reform +2
Labour -1

Buckle up people.

It’s not my pledge it’s Starmer’s. There’s no point Labour crowing about hotels closing if it’s just barracks and HMOs.

It’s so easy to see through, the electorate just think yeh nice try and vote every which way but them.

Where do you want them? Like it not they need to be in shelter while their claims are being processed. If nowhere to live, crime will go up. Would the UK folk like to see thousands of tents lining the streets? I very much doubt it.

Starmer is right to end the expensive hotels because the hotel owners were milking it for all it's worth.

They aren’t fixing it at all though. And the recent scandal with Mandleson and him forcing his MPs to vote against an enquiry is a complete clown show. The man is a power hungry narcissist. He’s done badly in these elections and even members of his own party want him to go yet he stands there this morning telling everyone he’s staying put! He’s deluded.

I think you must have meant to reply to a different post. I haven't mentioned costs at all.

Up to Labour. The point it’s another promise and a fail. And trying to pretend it’s a success is driving voters left and right.

It clearly irritates people to see that kind of gaslighting.

Exactly. Telling people he’s closing migrant hotels and claiming it’s a success, when all that’s happened is they’ve been moved somewhere else ie. Barracks and HMOs is the biggest piece of gaslighting bullshit I’ve ever heard!

Who's pretending it's a success?
They are chipping away at the whole immigration and asylum though. That's based on facts.

Anyone using closing hotels in a string of achievements as the pp did, scroll back.

Labour push out those lines, they’ve just annoyed people more as seen last night and over this weekend.

It does. Bad enough the previous Govt were doing it (whilst filling their pockets and partying)

No it's not. He said he'd close hotels, he's closing hotels. How is that gaslighting?

He has to, legally, process these claims. They have to be housed while the claims are going on. People, rightly were peed off with hotels, esp how much it's costing the tax payer.

Spot on. I'm in Scotland thus yesterday's vote differed to the vote in England.

I believe in home rule, however I'm no longer able to vote SNP due to their incredibly poor record on virtually everything. In terms of their raison d'être (the constitution) they haven't shifted the dial on that in 12 years. Their sole purpose now is to exploit the 'independence at all costs' voters (something they, sadly, do very well).

We had two votes yesterday, constituency and regional. The Green party here already had a shot at the top table when their two leaders were given senior roles in government (to prop up a minority SNP) and it was an unmitigated disaster. Their obsession with fringe issues was too much for even the increasingly left leaning SNP to handle. Green party policies would run Scotland into the ground, inverted snobbery ideals that are fit only for, and should be restricted to, the high school debating club.

I voted Reform on both my votes. Largely as a protest vote, and to hopefully contribute towards a movement of change and choice. The landscape is ripe for new parties.

This thinking is why Labour lose so many votes.

Because people were up in arms about them being put up in hotels because we cannot accommodate such huge numbers on this tiny island. Just closing hotels whilst saying “smash the gangs” and moving them into communities and barracks isn’t solving the problem and it’s not smashing the gangs so yes it’s gaslighting bullshit!

Starmer's 'defence' against being booted out by his MPs will now be
"I will push for a general election if you replace me, which Reform will win. Is that what you want? Because that's what will happen

Okay. Some changes. But in all honesty those made really is tinkering at the edges. Increasing staff doesn’t mean the decisions are right.
Making a huge effort, so I should hope. People have to speak better English ?,
The student family change has been useful. But it is tinkering.

What, facts? 😅

Because he’s a power hungry narcissist who uses control and manipulation. He doesn’t care about the wellbeing of the people in this country or how stupid he’s making his own party look.

A very poor understanding of why people are switching to everywhere else. Emojis won’t do it either.

You’ve replied to a point I didn’t make - in fact, my second paragraph agrees with you. Nobody is voting reform because of hurt feelings. They’re voting because they like what they’re promising.

Your second paragraph makes no sense. If I praise voters for views I don’t share (and cannot conclude are a good idea), they will abandon those views and come around to my way of thinking? This is obviously not true, and that was my original point.

Agree with you about Tice who’s a gobshite. However, it’s pointless pointing out that Farage was given £5M whilst plenty of Labour and Tory grandees also have a lot of wealth. And they all accept ‘donations’, freebies and backhanders.

What about Angela Rayner evading stamp duty and then lying about it? You can’t point the finger at one party when they are ALL at it.

Feel free to name one cabinet or shadow cabinet minister who isn’t either very wealthy, doesn’t accept donations/freebies; doesn’t avoid stamp duty/tax through some dodgy activity, or isn’t otherwise feathering their own nest.

@OneTealShaker while I agree that Labour and the Conservatives have done appalling damage to the country, Reform isn’t the answer.

They are parroting the very worst of what is wrong with the US - health insurance, low taxes for the rich, anti-immigration policies with a side helping of misogyny. But they tap into to media narrative that “outsiders” are the problem instead of trying to find actual solutions. These days all politicians are just about short term looking good rather than long term policies that benefit everyone.

They are no better and if elected will likely do untold damage to the country. If you’re not a wealthy person you’ll be squeezed by taxes and hit with health insurance costs that you can’t afford.

I think it's in bad faith to describe an overall halving as 'tinkering at the edges'.

These are Labour figures, right? And you just accept them? OK.

What they don’t like is living next to a hotel where some migrants, some not all, are leering and shouting stuff at their teenage daughters. Sledgehammer to crack a nut by voting reform but all these people get told is that they are thick and racist . By people who don’t have these experiences and a lot of whom do not live in the areas where this happens.

Automated doctors, nurses and care workers? As these are the jobs many immigrants are filling.