Immigration Detention Centres in Green Constituencies

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Reform”s policy of Immigration detention centres in Green constituencies.

Regardless of your political persuasion, this just demonstrates the dismal state of British politics.

What happened to the governing party governing in the interests of everyone, regardless of who they voted for? And what about Reform voters in Green consistencies?

Fucking awful, the lot of them.

I assume this policy is for the next general election as local councillors would have no power for this kind of thing to be built in a different council area. Am I correct?

No they aren’t
but didn’t ZP say they want open borders

Yes they are.

I visit an IRC weekly. The majority of detainees are asylum seekers awaiting the outcome if their case, or their appeal. Maybe a quarter are foreign national offenders, and others visa overstayers

It depends. If they're a risk to the public they should be detained for a short period before removal. If they've served their sentence and are not a risk but are liable to be removed they sounds be released on a tag. Not locked up for months or years after serving a sentence.

To your second point - I was responding to the PP who swerved from talking about immigration detention to talking about asylum applicants in housing. But fwiw people can be detained while awaiting the outcome of an appeal (ie when they are still having their status determined) they can also have fresh grounds while detained so it's not correct to suggest everyone is liable to removal and appeal rights exhausted.

The cost would be phenomenal. The planning permission and appeals would take years, as would the build. And how would they staff them? You can't just magic up a huge number of trained prison officers to run the places. It's pie in the sky

Sense, at last.

Reform Constituency: We want more detention centres!

Green Constiuency: We don't.

Reform Constituency: Well then you can bloody well have them!

Sorry but you are wrong here. I live in a diverse area and have known plenty of Muslim men/boys whose given name is Mohammed (spelling can vary) who have exclusively only ever gone by their middle names.

It is not some kind of secretive behaviour on Zia Yusef’s part, it is a cultural norm. Not one exclusive to Muslims either. I know lots of Welsh men who are exclusively known by their middle names.

Cost is about £16b to build these things apparently
as green voters don’t want detention centres they can be paid for by reform voters

and reform voters can have a care and health sector not supported by immigrants, eat chlorinated chicken, pay for health insurance (or more likely have no insurance and no cover) and where there are no vaccinations so natural selection speeds up.

Why wouldn't they be happy to have asylum seekers in their areas? I'm not a green voter and I don't agree with their open borders policy because I don't think it's workable, but there are already lots of asylum seekers housed in my area and I'm fine with that - they're just people.

Not everyone is racist. If people are relaxed about immigration in general, then why on earth do you think they would have any issue with migrants living in their areas?

They do object to detention centres in which people may be locked up for indefinite periods without trial, and they don't want to see these anywhere in the UK.

Are you genuinely incapable of understanding the difference?

Is this an option that Reform are offering?

I'm all in favour of applying Reform policies to Reform areas only. Does that mean that non-Reform areas get to keep our human rights and the NHS too? Can we rejoin the EU?

Yes. In other words, the opposite of detention centres.

It won't happen it's just another Reform statement with no substance that will appeal to the knuckle draggers clad in their nylon St.George cross flag.

Unless he considers his area to be two homes its very unlikely where he lives doesn’t have any migrants. Unless either you or he don’t understand what a migrant is.

Are you not aware that some in power, or seeking to be in power are migrants? A lot of migrants also live in affluent areas because they themselves are affluent.

Sadly we have a Reform co7ncil. Who have been promising online that due to this policy the county will not get an immigration centre. Someone’s pointed out we already have one. You couldn’t make it up.

Yep.

Fin.

Can someone answer me something. So reform have said every “illegal” immigrant will be kept in a detention centre, processed and deported within a few weeks.

how are they going to legally do this when the courts have repeatedly told the Tories and Labour that stuff like this can’t happen. Our law doesn’t allow it. Are Reform going to ignore the law? Because I’d suspect there would be enough legal people who would take cases in and get awarded massive compensation for anyone deported against the law. Or are they going to try and change the law? Won’t that have to go through the House of Lords? Is that possible or won’t the Lords just refuse to change stuff?

Leaving ECHR

Reform areas should be private healthcare only, no SEND provision, no workforce born abroad, no local taxes for the wealthy, mass-reduction of Benefits, reduction of Social Care …

“Since 1980, the Court has ruled against the UK in only 13 removal cases, indicating that such stops are rare. The Human Rights Act 1998 requires UK courts to "take into account" these rights”

So 13 cases in 45 years … not sure leaving the EHCR will do much at all.

Won’t Reform need to repeal the Human Rights Act instead? If they do that, all of these are fair game

• The right to life
• The right to freedom from torture and inhumane or degrading treatment
• Protection against slavery and forced labour
• The right to liberty and freedom except in particular circumstances, e.g. if you have committed a crime
• The right to a fair trial
• The right not to be punished for something that wasn't illegal when you did it
• The right to privacy and family life and freedom from surveillance
• The right to marry
• Freedom of thought, religion and belief
• Freedom of expression
• Freedom of assembly and association
• No discrimination on the basis of religion, race, gender or other characteristics
• Protection of property
• The right to an education
• The right to free elections
• Abolition of the death penalty

Got a SEND child? No right to an Education for you
Discriminated against for being pregnant? Tough luck
Want to bring a group together to protest about the government? No way

Sadly, people who are in favour of removing human rights generally assume that only other people's rights will be affected.

Short sighted fools..it won't just apply to brown people.
They'd get in about employment rights as well.
Farage &co are only friends to the multi millionaires.

I've had a look at the Reform healthcare policy and whilst it does have increasing private sector involvement- absolutely nowhere does it state getting rid of the NHS.

"Reform UK's health policycenters on increasing private sector involvement in the NHS to reduce wait times, promising to eliminate NHS waiting lists within two years. Key proposals include giving patients vouchers for private treatment if they cannot see a GP within 3 days or a consultant within 3 weeks, while providing 20% tax relief on private healthcare insurance. "

Source: BBC

Touché! 😄

I'm not a Green voter but I wouldn't really have a problem with more migrants in my area. Faster processing and then they can work legally and contribute.

The problem would be keeping them in Green areas - how would Reform constituencies stop them from going there to work, live, etc?

If I said no to Detention centres, do you think Farage would listen?