Immigration Detention Centres in Green Constituencies

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Reform”s policy of Immigration detention centres in Green constituencies.

Regardless of your political persuasion, this just demonstrates the dismal state of British politics.

What happened to the governing party governing in the interests of everyone, regardless of who they voted for? And what about Reform voters in Green consistencies?

Fucking awful, the lot of them.

He deliberately conceals it.
Please don't try to defend him.

I wouldn’t have thought the open border greens would see housing migrants in their area as a threat. You can’t simultaneously be open borders and then also freak out at the idea of random migrants moving to your town. It’s shrodingers migrant, simultaneously enriching and threatening. Fascinating.

Yeah I knew loads of muslim growing up who never used their actual given first name, it’s quite normal tbh.

Did you read any of the thread?
Greens don't want detention centres. I'm pretty sure no-one who votes green would want a detention centre in any area. Nor do they think asylum applicants should be stuck in shitty hotels or HMOs (assuming that is what you're getting confused with) and banned from working while awaiting an asylum application to be determined. Either in their town or anywhere. There's no "shrodinger" (it's Schrödinger) about it.

Also if the problem is detention centres then the greens can make it clear they will welcome people with asylum status into the constituencies they control but they will object to detention centres full stop.

Yeah I did, invite migrants to come live in a more welcoming area to refugees. Be clear about it, greens want migrants, not detention centres, thats fine, then they can make it a priority to create good standard housing for migrants in their towns.

Whats the problem with that as a policy? It’s perfectly reasonable as a suggestion.

What are you on about? Housing for refugees is nothing to do with this nonsense fake policy. Presumably you know that refugees can't be detained. Would be a bit embarrassing to defend a policy you have absolutely no understanding of.

Green policy

https://greenparty.org.uk/about/our-manifesto/a-fairer-greener-welcome/

• An end to the hostile environment.
• An end to the minimum income requirements for spouses of those holding work visas.
• Safe routes to sanctuary for those fleeing persecution.
• The dysfunctional Home Office to be replaced with a new Department of Migration, separating this function from the criminal justice system.
• An end to immigration detention for all migrants unless they are a danger to public safety.
• Abolition of the ‘no recourse to public funds’ condition that exacerbates social, economic, and racial inequalities.
• Those seeking asylum and protection to be permitted to work while their application is being decided.

What makes you think it's deliberate concealment?
I taught in a predominantly Muslim area, and I'd guess that half of the boys were officially Mohamed, but were actually called something else. The name is given to first born sons as a gesture of respect to the prophet, but the name that they're known by, will often be something else entirely.

Reform is planning to deport refugees (incl women and children) from the detention centres.

And when they can't, they will not allow them to move into communities.

You know the difference between migrant, refugee and asylum seeker?

What’s the problem with a policy you’ve just made up?

This is specifically about the policy of locating DETENTION CENTRES in Green constituencies. Not about housing for migrants.

Deflection tactics?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8jv8xl17l8o

And the stories in the French news suggesting that his wife might not have as much money as she said and he bought a house for her/them but put it in her name to dodge the stamp duty...

Ok they can’t be detained, are the greens happy to have non detained asylum seekers funnelled to green voting areas? I’m not a reform voter, I just find it interesting how hysterical greens have been about this.

I don’t understand why they don’t just say “no to detention centres, yes to migrants in our areas”.

This makes literally no sense. People who want mass immigration are (obviously) against immigration detention centres, wherever they might be situated.

Have the Greens been hysterical about this latest Reform proposal? Where and when?

An immigration detention centre is a prison where those found to be illegally in the country are locked up until they are deported. They are usually situated, for obvious reasons, near airports. They are not ‘migrant housing’. No one gets in or out except in the back of a Serco van.

Why do you think Greens would want these?

@Bringemout

"they will not be able to leave the detention centre"

#FarageCamps

Well it has been suggested:

You understand these exist already right? And inmates already cannot leave the centres - they are effectively prisons. The Reform proposal is simply to increase the capacity from the current 3,500 to 24,000. The costings will be interesting.

You're easily the most hysterical one on here - not to mention changing the goalposts when it's pointed out that you don't understand the policy you're parrotting.

I can't speak for Greens because I'm not one, I vote Labour. But if it's relevant I'm against immigration detention for pretty much all cases and I don't really mind where people waiting for their asylum decisions live. I also think they should work and pay tax, if they can.

They will just invent some numbers, they usually do

I wonder how they decided on 24,000

(yes I am aware)

If they do as well as they appear to think they will I struggle to understand how they can keep their promise. It will effectively mean building 40-odd new facilities (assuming they are the same size as the current ones) and with the constraints such as being near to airports, employees, services etc I struggle to see how they would avoid any reform council area or constituency.

An awful lot of the inmates in IRCs are foreign criminals awaiting deportation after serving their sentence. Would you really be against immigration detention for them?

No-one in an IRC is awaiting an asylum decision.

Given that logistically they ideally need to be in specific locations, I can’t see how they can adopt a policy of putting them in Green constituencies without ramping up the probably already considerable cost. It’s politics over common sense.