To think Kemi Badenoch is starting to talk an increasing amount of sense

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Never voted conservative a day in my life.

Seriously comsidering it after recent performances

Exactly. And im never going to vote for a party that does that.

I want to know what your policies are, what you're going to do.. I can see what's going wrong with everyone else myself because I'm not stupid or an uniformed voter.

You dont make your own light burn brighter by attempting to snuff everyone elses out.

I also haven't forgotten that 14 years of chaos and bad management isnt going to be fixed in 2/3 years, nor by handing power back to the party that did that damage in the first place.

I admire Starmer for standing his ground and refusing to be budged and pushed into the Tory habit of revolving door leaders.

The tories proved that changing a strong leader when there is no decent replacement in the wings just makes it worse.

I admire Kemi for the strength of her convictions and her fight, but I will never vote for someone that just spends her time tearing down everyone else to make herself look better.

I suppose the other poster was referring to Kemi constantly repeating the same thing - thinking that reinforces her point

Much like her acolytes on this thread!

It’s funny you say that, because Starmer appears flat footed, brittle and chippy. Those pursed lips, those porcine eyes, the barely restrained fury. We have seen it countless times, when someone dares question his authority.

Truly, a man of straw.

If you posted for Labour you did vote for a party that just criticises in opposition, it’s the point to a large extent. There are policies though even at this stage.

It’s fine to still believe in Labour but it’s a shrinking pool and they have a leadership issue.

You and the other Labour posters are a bit focussed on a few posters on mn. It’s not what is causing your party issues.

Much like her acolytes on this thread!

It's amazing how low the level of discourse from Leftwingers can fall.

I don't think she's 'nice' either. Nice doesn't win in politics and none of them are 'nice' people.

I think at least half her problem is that except for certain outlets (Telegraph etc), the media is against her. For being a Tory, for having the audacity to be a well-educated black woman and not acting like a victim or being shy about her abilities. So many of her policies, which are complex and well thought through, end up in headlines which bear no resemblance to the detail.

I don't understand why they do this because it seems it will just send people towards Reform, although the same outlets call male murders and rapists 'she / her' if the murderers and rapists demand it (so they're pretty clearly on the side of the abuser) so goodness only knows what's going on. I suppose it's all about clicks and nothing more these days. Forget truth or integrity.

He’s highly regarded internationally. There really is no need for these childish personal insults, they don’t further your cause.

Let’s focus on the domestic - that’s of more relevance to people.

We all know Starmer would prefer to run away from the UK’s issues, and take every photo op to grandstand, but that’s not washing with the electorate.

We all see it.

I did, but not because I like him, my political leanings are largely Lib dem or Green, which in the General Election stakes might as well be a wasted vote until they pull their socks up and become genuine competition.

I voted Labour because I choose to vote tactically. I will always vote where it needed to keep Cons & Reform out.

And Kemi will take every opportunity to tear down everyone else. Your point?

Yes, let’s change the subject when you’re called out. Our relationship with the rest of the world is crucial, it’s a very large part of being PM and it’s undeniable that Starmer is doing very well at it.

Under her leadership, the Tories have received an endorsement from Tommy Robinson - even he recognised that just a few years ago her shadow justice’s secretary Nick Timothy’s comments on Muslims praying in London as being ‘an act of domination’ would have seen him sacked. And yet, Badenoch has supported him and said he was defending ‘British values.’ So what can we infer from that?

Yesterday, she was defending wanting to ban pro-Palestine marches, but not those of the far-right activist TR. Why is that? Surely, it has to be both or none?

I’m interested to know what Baroness Warsi - who resigned her Tory whip in the House of Lords in September 2024 because of the Tory move towards the far-right and issues with Islamaphobia - has to say about all of this.

Perhaps Badenoch supporters are ok with this alignment with the co-founder of the EDL, or happy to overlook it, at least. (I certainly won’t be debating anyone who tries to defend little Stephen Yaxley Lennon - his record is indefensible).

That's a fair point. I had the same concern when she became leader. I think she's improved a lot here though.

My relatives in other countries don't agree. They're appalled that he's done nothing to proceed the grooming gangs investigation and think he's stuffy and egotistical.

He's destroyed the 'special relationship' with America (despite the King's efforts to bolster it) and whilst I know everyone on the Left has Trump Derangement Syndrome and doesn't like DT the fact is he's a democratically elected US president. Being good on the international stage means not alienating other leaders (particularly allies) regardless of what you think of them.

Greens are already, at the local elections here anyway. Labour may well be ousted by them.

The opposition leader will always oppose, Starmer did the same. However he’ll see the result of offering what he did at the last GE in the form of the voting feedback tomorrow.

What do you see as evidence of that?

whilst I know everyone on the Left has Trump Derangement Syndrome

Crap like this tells me the rest of your post is not worth paying attention to.

The only derangement connected to Trump is that of the man himself.

Oh come on! Trump’s destroyed the special relationship. I wasn’t talking about what people’s relatives think anyway. Starmer is highly regarded by the leaders of every country apart from the US.

The Tories completely lost my trust with lockdowns, the Boris wave and increasing the welfare bill. At the end the only good thing they were doing was Hunt trying to gradually abolish NI and equalise earned income with pension/investment income.

I vowed I would never vote for them again. I couldn't vote for a party that locked us in our homes, and campaigned on controlling migration but ended up allowing more than ever.

Kemi is starting to turn my head. I hope that she can bring about a proper Conservative government that actually governs conservatively.

Let’s see the weighting that voters attach to Starmer’s international profile tomorrow, shall we?

And let’s face it - tomorrow is a proxy ballot on Starmer’s leadership.

I prefer to let hard data guide me, over your skewed opinion of Starmer’s perceived successes.

The tories are not 'aligned' with the EDL. That's false. Why post something like that?

I'm aware, locally the paris, town & county councils are all lib-dem, or labour and Greens just made some strides in gaining seats.

Unfortunately on GE levels, I live in a Cons stronghold area... several of our MPs have been suspended for various shit and are both absolutely awful people.

No it's not. Some of us are in Scotland voting for the Holyrood elections.

Pp said "aligned with the co-founder of the EDL" not the EDL itself.