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To think Kemi Badenoch is starting to talk an increasing amount of sense

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Sonato · 05/05/2026 12:26

Never voted conservative a day in my life.

Seriously comsidering it after recent performances

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PenelopePepper · 05/05/2026 19:11

EasternStandard · 05/05/2026 19:10

Yes me too, with your posts. Although someone does actually have to do the job.

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I am sorry that nuance escapes you.

EasternStandard · 05/05/2026 19:13

PenelopePepper · 05/05/2026 19:11

I am sorry that nuance escapes you.

Ok that’s great, no need to be sorry.

TheLandlordsAreFrowning · 05/05/2026 19:13

ColadhSamh · 05/05/2026 19:10

She celebrated murderers this weekend as they were actively murdering and maiming innocent people in Derry on 30 January 1972.

Perhaps, like pp, she doesn't understand anything about recent history. Or doesn't care.

JollyDenimSeal · 05/05/2026 19:13

Oh and by the way. Not everyone who works in McDonald's is working class. When I was at school my pals both middle and working class worked in supermarkets because they wanted pocket money

Getting down with the plebs is a really poor look.

I'm proud of being working class. That's because I am. Not because I worked in McDonald's when I was at uni

TicketsAgain · 05/05/2026 19:14

Hallowedturf · 05/05/2026 19:05

Starmer is a gift to the opposition.

And he keeps on giving.

Yes he does indeed. He has been so lacklustre and uninspiring. An easy target.

WaffleBomb · 05/05/2026 19:15

ColadhSamh · 05/05/2026 19:10

She celebrated murderers this weekend as they were actively murdering and maiming innocent people in Derry on 30 January 1972.

Do you mean when she apologised after a young member of staff used footage that they didn't understand without her knowledge? Footage that was immediately removed as soon as this became apparent? The Conservative Party has apologised, and Kemi has apologised.

Hallowedturf · 05/05/2026 19:17

EasternStandard · 05/05/2026 19:09

You what now? Someone has to do the job and given your views on KB perhaps you want someone else.

Everyone says they don’t like KB but then answer with ‘no one’, which doesn’t really work.

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It’s telling.

Same old, same old.

Ireolu · 05/05/2026 19:19

Hallowedturf · 05/05/2026 15:37

She speaks highly of you, too.

Haven't seen her in years, so I have no idea.

Hallowedturf · 05/05/2026 19:19

JollyDenimSeal · 05/05/2026 19:13

Oh and by the way. Not everyone who works in McDonald's is working class. When I was at school my pals both middle and working class worked in supermarkets because they wanted pocket money

Getting down with the plebs is a really poor look.

I'm proud of being working class. That's because I am. Not because I worked in McDonald's when I was at uni

Where does Rayner fit into this? She appears to deploy a correlation between working class and being straight/honest (when she is patently anything but).

Hallowedturf · 05/05/2026 19:21

Ireolu · 05/05/2026 19:19

Haven't seen her in years, so I have no idea.

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Good to know that your opinion is based on current knowledge/experience, then.

givemesteel · 05/05/2026 19:22

JollyDenimSeal · 05/05/2026 19:03

But some peoples kids are growing up in poverty. By the way the poster you are responding to said earlier that there was no such thing as poverty because she used to live near a council estate and used to see kids having a snack and had a phone and all their mums were on UC and low educated and didn't work

I don't disagree that some kids are, but the definition of poverty as over £500 a week after housing costs which means 1 in 3 kids are defined as living in poverty (including my own I suppose), means that the word has lost its meaning.

It would better help those truly in need if the definition was more meaningful. Poverty in many case may not be due to lack of funds. It may be due to parents inadequately managing the funds they have (for Instance my salary wouldn't be adequate if I was funding a drug addiction)

PenelopePepper · 05/05/2026 19:23

Hallowedturf · 05/05/2026 19:19

Where does Rayner fit into this? She appears to deploy a correlation between working class and being straight/honest (when she is patently anything but).

Oh look, a squirrel!

Hallowedturf · 05/05/2026 19:24

PenelopePepper · 05/05/2026 19:23

Oh look, a squirrel!

Unlikely to be a red one.

I trap and euthanise the grey ones.

Ireolu · 05/05/2026 19:25

Hallowedturf · 05/05/2026 19:21

Good to know that your opinion is based on current knowledge/experience, then.

Erm she is on the news daily.

It is based on current experience and knowledge.

Hallowedturf · 05/05/2026 19:26

Ireolu · 05/05/2026 19:25

Erm she is on the news daily.

It is based on current experience and knowledge.

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‘I know her personally’.

Present tense.

OK.

Ireolu · 05/05/2026 19:26

Hallowedturf · 05/05/2026 19:26

‘I know her personally’.

Present tense.

OK.

✌🏾

givemesteel · 05/05/2026 19:26

JollyDenimSeal · 05/05/2026 19:09

If you think the word poverty has lost its meaning. I give to a Scottish charity who help people who have little. You buy Christmas presents and the family give them. They helped 14k people last year. I bought for babies last year. There are some women fleeing violence who have nothing. Zero

There is a baby bank in my area who helps families who have nothing.

Go look up Tanisha Bramwell. She's an independent councillor who runs a food bank. There are people who go to her who have nothing. Folk sitting with no electricity or gas. People with no food

Including people who work. Her premises were firebombed recently as some wants to stop the work she is doing

There are two pawn shops in my local town. There have been none since the 60s. Why is that? Because people are poor

No one is arguing there is not poverty. Of course there is.

But do you think 1 in 3 families (who have £2296 a month after housing costs, more than I earn) are living in poverty?

hellotappy · 05/05/2026 19:29

givemesteel · 05/05/2026 19:26

No one is arguing there is not poverty. Of course there is.

But do you think 1 in 3 families (who have £2296 a month after housing costs, more than I earn) are living in poverty?

What kind of family has £2296 after housing cost?

Can I apply?

WaffleBomb · 05/05/2026 19:29

So we can add lying grifter to his rap sheet too. Glad he's finally getting scrutinised properly.

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 05/05/2026 19:32

JustAlice · 05/05/2026 13:54

It doesn't matter what she says. She will not be allowed to implement anything her party doesn't agree with/see as unpopular decision. And her party was useless for 14 years, nothing has changed apart from the leader. And they go through them pretty quickly.
Look at Labour - Starmer had to U-turn on everything other than "more benefits".

Traditionally the difference between the Tories and Labour was that the Tories would hold together because no differences of opinion was more important to them than gaining and retaining power, whereas the Labour Party traditionally has been riven with factionalism and people who would rather be right and in opposition than have someone of the opposing faction in a Labour government. The only successful Labour governments are those who manage to shut down the opposing factions and tell them in no uncertain words to STFU, and that requires someone with a will of iron, and competent enforcers like Blair. The Tories, once they emulated Labour and decided to tear themselves apart over Europe made themselves a laughing stock. I have never voted Tory ( although I have this time because its a straight Tory/Reform fight in my ward) but all the Tories need to do is revert to type in order to be successful again. I've always voted Labour but with more and more reluctance in each election. If the Lib Dems decided to stop sleeping on the job, Id vote for them, but I'm glad a gender critical party is around. I suspect the Green/Reform bounce wont last until the next election. Particularly when its so easy to see through the extremist shitshow that is the Green party and the incompetence of Reform councils.

hellotappy · 05/05/2026 19:32

WaffleBomb · 05/05/2026 19:29

So we can add lying grifter to his rap sheet too. Glad he's finally getting scrutinised properly.

😂

Bless

Can't say he isn't trying.

WaffleBomb · 05/05/2026 19:35

GingerRhubarb · 05/05/2026 18:42

Golly what will you do when Labour continue to right the many years of Tory wrongs without Kier to focus on because you have little else.

You what now? You asked for the source, I shared a gifted article in The Times. Were you disappointed with the source? I expect you were hoping for it to be in the telegraph.
When are Labour planning to start righting the wrongs as you put it?

Imaginary86 · 05/05/2026 19:36

Saw a clip when she was talking about antisemitism and she was sticking up for the Jewish people which was great to see

givemesteel · 05/05/2026 19:42

hellotappy · 05/05/2026 19:29

What kind of family has £2296 after housing cost?

Can I apply?

Me too! That is the definition of poverty though.

https://endchildpoverty.org.uk/faq-2024/

Hence me talking about it losing it's meaning as a concept.

FAQ on local child poverty research 2024 - End Child Poverty

https://endchildpoverty.org.uk/faq-2024

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