Met police are erasing the third victim of the Golders Green stabbing

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https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/2050114417405132857?s=46

I am actually horrified. A third, Muslim, man was stabbed in the attack but he isn’t being mentioned anywhere. How is this allowed?!

So Pressumably the Muslim community is doing everything they can to ensure everyone is fluent in English to make sure all hate crimes are reported? Surely that would be sensible war forward and would give the community the best protection

It’s a religiously motivated, racist attack, without doubt, by a mentally disturbed man. I don’t think anyone can assert that two visibly Jewish men were attacked completely at random. No-one can dispute that it was a hate crime. I do dispute calling it a terror attack though:
Terrorism acts to coerce, influence, or disrupt governments/society. Hate crime aims to demean, harm, or intimidate individuals based on race, religion, sexual orientation, or disability.
There have been numerous targeted attacks on Mosques and Muslims, many by organised far-right thugs, which have been dealt with as hate crimes and not terror attacks. I do think the knee-jerk response of invoking Counter Terrorism legislation and dealing with the perpetrator in the way that he was, was motivated by a fear of not being seen to act decisively. That is not a safe way for the authorities to proceed.

Do you have any idea how fucking terrifying it is raising Jewish kids in this country right now?
Agreed, @BlowersDaughter, it’s absolutely horrific and indefensible that Jewish people feel targeted in this way, but it is a feeling shared by parents of, e.g. Muslim, Sikh, Hindu, Black, and mixed-race kids too. They also fear for their children, and fear being targets of hate.

Unless you work in anti-Muslim hatred policy, I don’t think you can know for sure why anti-Muslim crimes are under-reported.

I think it’s true that both anti-Muslim and antisemitic hate crimes are under-reported, as with other hate crimes.

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/69878/html/ - antisemitic hate crime showing as being under-reported

https://www.mwnuk.co.uk/MWNUK_report_shows_that_80_of_Muslims_do_not_report_hate_crime_incidents_308_reportdownload.php

They aren't erasing him. I saw the news yesterday afternoon, that there was a third victim, a Muslim man with whom he had a row.

And yet you're perfectly happy to make sweeping generalisations about both Jews and Muslims in order to make out (with no evidence) that crimes against Muslims are under reported while those against Jews are not.

I guess that is just the way you are.

The idea that the per capita rate of incidents directed against Jews is so much higher than that against Muslims (I think someone said elevenfold) because of reporting differences is fanciful. I’m not sure clarity was the issue.

You really are showing your ignorance here.
The size of the blade are irrelevant, the fact that he still had the knife after being tasered shows kicking him was nesscary.
But nice minimisation about the danger this man posed with his "teeny weeny little knife"

I don’t think you are wanting to wait for more information so you can judge fairly. At least not by your posts speculating why hate crimes against different groups might or might not be under-reported.

I didn’t ignore anything
I went out 🤣
is that allowed on mumsnet
To have a life without something sinister being suggested.

try it out
a nice walk before it rains does wonders
ps
Im now catching up on this thread
I may cook dinner later and even watch a film

Over half of Muslims in this country were born here. I would guess that a high proportion of those who were born elsewhere also speak fluent English.
Sure there will be language barriers for some Muslim people who came here from non-English speaking countries but I don't think it's reasonable to suggest there are language barriers for Muslims in general.

I agree with this. @MurkyMo you’re being so callous here with your comment here about a ‘teeny weeny little knife’. How would you feel if someone had said the same to you after you or a loved one had just been stabbed with a knife? I’m amazed you used to be a police officer - as you suggest. There’s no way a police officer would speak like that.

So what’s your answer?

I’ve also walked the did, prepped dinner, tidied the house done some admin, laughed with my husband about some of the idiots on here, put the washing away, done more washing ordered the food shop. I love having adhd at times - sorry you only managed a walk🤣

Jewish people are far more like than any other minority to experience hate. This is the context

Really only one posts of mine has been deleted therefore if I have asked you five time as you claim, “your posts to me have been deleted”, is not true.
I don’t care about engagement, it’s important that your behaviour is spotlighted as I have seen others are concerned about your behaviour too.

I believe the poster is talking about the Palestine Solidarity Campaign marches next week.

A walk in the peace and quiet of the countryside is enough for me

I answered upthread
You were doing so much you missed it 😉

I think it’s also worth mentioning that antisemitism is the world’s oldest hatred:
https://theconversation.com/antisemitism-how-the-origins-of-historys-oldest-hatred-still-hold-sway-today-87878.

Based on that, and the fact the current global Jewish population is low compared to other religious communities (15-16 million, compared to 2 billion Christians and 2.3-2.6 billion Muslims), I think this justifies calling the current series of antisemitic incidents a ‘national emergency’ as the PM has done.

Of course, any anti-religious hate crime - and any hate crime at all - is one too many.

But specifically in the context of antisemitism, I think it’s right to describe what we’re seeing in the UK as a national emergency.

Actually it would because they are trained to do just that in these sorts of situations

You were the one who stated you have friends from all religious denominations.
Not sure what that has to do with the post either except you derailing it.

Jewish people do not only report through police. Many report through CST, just as Muslims may report through Tell MAMA or other third-party routes. CST recorded 3,528 antisemitic incidents across the UK in 2024 which is higher than the official figures . Tell MAMA recorded 6,313 verified anti-Muslim hate cases in 2024. There are about 13-14 Muslims for every Jew in the UK.

This is a key point in this case
Given we have seen in attacks by people released from mh institutions
some involving murder
shouldn't Starmer etall be discussing why this is happening

Why are the authorities are failing communities in letting people roam the streets with known mh issues that make them a danger to others.

Two students were killed by someone released as he ran around stabbing and attacking people
What is Labour doing to prevent this

Watch the police cam footage

Police brutality is not acceptable
he was not a danger at the time he had his head kicked in
Just watch it

agree @MurkyMo I really do not understand why some people accept police brutality. I know there’s a lot of hateful stuff on the news generally but we should never ever ever normalise what we see.

Yes, all those people on those marches sprouting anti-Semitic hate should have been aware that among the mentally ill, there will be individuals who will take their words literally and enact them.

They didn't know that he did not have a bomb wrapped around his body. The head is the main part of the body that can be attacked without fear of detonating a bomb. You are just making stuff up