AIBU to ask those of you voting Green what the Green Party immigration plans would cost?

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This is the Green Party platform on immigration. How much will it cost the country to implement this?

1. Implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration
2. Treat all migrants as if they are citizens
3. Give all residents the right to vote
4. Help families to be together
5. Dismantle the Home Office
6. Abolish the No Recourse to Public Funds condition
7. Abolish the ten year route to settlement
8. Stop the profiteering from application fees
9. Stop putting people in prison because of their immigration status
10. Accept our responsibility for the climate emergency and support the people forced to move

They are unlikely to be the largest party after the GE, but they could form a coalition with one or more of the other parties.

I don't know. Either a ghost town or a ghetto? You tell me. You seem to have an theory forming there somewhere. Care to enlighten me?

I thought everyone knew that the Greens are about feelings, not reality?

@Quietasamouse3 when we get closer to a general election you can use 'vote for policies' or similar, websites that present you with a question and then a selection of policy extracts, you pick which you like and it tells you your preference at the end.

Really ,thanks , didn't know that existed..it will certainly help me as I've no idea who to vote for

It doesn't really seem to make sense. Many green party candidates have shown themself to be racist, but then have policies which are pro immigration.

You are asking people to answer a question you know they can't because the figures are unavailable.
You're not asking them because you genuinely believe they are best placed to tell you. Very few people cast a vote in full knowledge of every detail of policy implementation. They vote for policies they think are a good idea and align with their values.
This is the reason why so many underprivileged people support Reform, they are voting for the idea of stopping the boats, not because they fully understand the consequences of a Reform government to their lives, how much it will cost and so on. The average member of the electorate is not an economist.
If you want figures that you can't find in the public domain, it's obvious the best place to ask is with the party themselves. You will then be able to inform us either that the costs are astronomical, the party could not answer, or in the event they do produce costings that dont support your wish to discredit them, not return at all.
If you're here to opine that Green voters are particularly naive and ill informed, or that the Greens immigration policy is too expensive, then for goodness sake, spit it out. There isn't any need to hide behind 'just asking a question'.

The ten points are worth seeing. They don’t look possible.

@5128gap how do I know Green voters are ill-informed until I’ve asked them?

Also, there is a lot of ‘what about Reform’ on this thread

I don't disagree. I've not seen the figures and in all honesty I doubt I'd have sufficient understanding of economics to assess what I was looking at if I did.
At this stage in the game, the Greens are selling ideas and the ten points will alienate many people simply on principle, without the need to reject them on feasibility. I have to respect their transparency in stating their intentions so clearly on a deeply contentious topic.
I'm less interested in whether Green voters know the costs than whether these ten points have their backing and why.

You have looked for the figures and failed to find them, which should have made it obvious they weren't in the public domain. Its also common sense that if you want to know the details of a party's policy you are better asking a party member than a prospective voter.
I did not say 'what about Reform' I used the support for Reform to illustrate the point that it is the norm for people to vote for a party without drilling down into every detail of their policies, and to beg the question why you would imagine that Green voters would be an exception.

Very excited to vote green next week!

No actually @5128gap i posted on here first and one of the posters told me to ask AI. Which I did. AI said there are no figures available

@zirafica can you enlighten us?

The issue is the Green Party and the leader are just as evasive. When asked about how many or limits it’s the same as on here. Avoidance and bristling.

It’s a reasonable question, how many people across the globe can we support realistically for point 10. Very few probably, but how much will they push it and fund it.

The problem for the op is no one will answer.

Can you tell us what you believe can be achieved if they win? Obviously at a local level you can expect your streets and green spaces to be fill with clapped out caravans and converted old buses, permanently parked, untaxed and uninsured, full of new age traveller types because they know the council will be sympathetic and unlikely to move them on, as is the case in Brighton. So there's that to look forward to.

But on a national level? What you hoping for? Like, with the economy for example?

You're hilarious. We have a Green led council near my patch at the moment and your bonkers dystopia of New Age people everywhere has in no wise come to pass. I mean, I know these threads are full of rage baiting, but nobody is going to be stupid enough to fall for this one.

Thanks for the laugh though. 😂

I take it you've not been to Brighton recently then? Although actually, I take that comment about NATs partially back. It won't just be NATs, it will be absolutely anyone who is happy to live in a cobbled together shanty town or 'trailer park' type place. Roma gypsies, newly arrived immigrants, anyone who can find a tent or build a shack or find something on wheels with space for a mattress. Coming to a town near you soon.

It will cost much more than the actual ££ in terms of culture, Islamism, freedom, safety,

titally and utterly dangerous and deluded policy which is not remotely funded let alone assessed in terms of cost to society

For those who just say “let the asylum seekers work”, how many will actually be able to? And of those who are able to, how many would be able to do so without recourse to public funds so that they are genuinely not costing money. It might actually cost more money if you are expecting an asylum seeker to be able to get housing benefit for his spouse and family on day one off the back of the minimum number of universal credit hours. And far far more likely that whole families will make the trip from day one, making it hard to send back even pretty sketchy applications. It’s not at all well thought through, it’s just vibes.

it beggars belief that people would vote for this (or reform tbh) if their main reason is disappointment in the Labour Party, given that most disappointment in the Labour Party stems precisely from a failure to prepare for governing and just relying on “we’re morally better than the other guys”, then being shambolic when in power.

I’m hoping that someone will release a decent, voted manifesto. But I won’t hold my breath!

Hasn't reached mid Suffolk yet though. You can't extrapolate from one place. Well, you can because you have, but it's no.more than one opinion. And you know what they say about opinions.

Completely irrelevant to the local elections. I will be voting based on candidate’s characters and their plans for my local area.

I couldn’t care less what the policies of the national party they happen to be a member of are.

Interesting @FernandoSor how are you determining their character?

The national parties always take note of local elections. It shapes policy at that level too.

I'm cringing at how clever you think you are being, whilst you're actually being glaring transparent in starting another Green Party bashing thread.

We've had' Zack Polanski is Evil' & ' Zack Polanski is Obnoxious', now we have this.

I think Right Wing Mumsnet needs some lessons in subtlety.

@Crocsarentslippers that is projection on your part.

I’m also not remotely right wing.

I have asked a very clear question that anyone voting for this party should be able to answer. If you can’t answer it you need to look into it