AIBU to ask those of you voting Green what the Green Party immigration plans would cost?

[PinkMagpie]

This is the Green Party platform on immigration. How much will it cost the country to implement this?

1. Implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration
2. Treat all migrants as if they are citizens
3. Give all residents the right to vote
4. Help families to be together
5. Dismantle the Home Office
6. Abolish the No Recourse to Public Funds condition
7. Abolish the ten year route to settlement
8. Stop the profiteering from application fees
9. Stop putting people in prison because of their immigration status
10. Accept our responsibility for the climate emergency and support the people forced to move

A lot less than the current situation. Let asylum seekers work and pay for their own accomodation

So how much is that @anniegun

Very little, given that it's mostly regulatory stuff IE no buildings, big contracts etc

If you wanted an actual answer you could put it in AI. So I assume you are trying to make a point? It’s less about 'new spending' and more about shifting the budget. Is my understanding of what they're saying.

The Green party are completely insane but the scary thing is how uneducated people are about the economy and how much money there is. There is no economic growth really so there is no more money and the benefits bill (including pensions) is huge. We don't have enough resources at the moment for the citizens in the country to maintain a reasonable health service, education system and infrastructure etc... If the Greens want to implement this policy then it will cost money and that money will need to come from another area of spend (education, NHS,Defece etc..). There are not enough higher paid taxpayers to finance it so either spend comes from somewhere else or we all pay (alot) more tax.

Apart from number 6 none of them seem particularly expensive.

I do think we need to change the way we manage immigration. Those who are law abiding and want to work, let them work. Some families I work with are living in terrible conditions due to not being able to work and no recourse to public funds. Many are working cash in hand and being exploited due to having no legal way to work.

Those who want to settle, work, engage in the commuinity should be welcomed, especially those who arrive as families. We have an aging population and working age people are very much needed. And we need to be tougher on those who commit crimes and kick them out quickly

@Monvelo And which budget will they be shifting?

I'd love to know what the maximum number we can accommodate is? They never give a number. More people have come here in the last 20 years than the previous thousand. We are a tiny island. We need to get the numbers down - massively. 20 years before any recourse to other people's money. No LTR for at least 10 years - and only if you've paid in. If you are a net drain, that'll be a no.

Don't know. Do you OP?

The UK is already in decline. This will escalate it massively. Unless the people coming in are high earners with private education and healthcare.

@GoodkneeBadKnee I have absolutely no idea where they will find this indeterminate amount of money for the indeterminate amount of people they plan on allowing to settle here. I was hoping a Green voter could tell me.

If you ‘ask AI’ (not a very environmentally friendly thing to do) you get the answer that the figure is unknown

No idea, and I don't know how the other parties will pay for their policies either. Because they don't usually tell us! Probably because they don't know! It's all a bit of a farce really. I'd welcome change on this front.

@Monvelo the manifestos are publicly available and usually fully costed. The vagueness around this Green Party policy platform is the reason I am asking for clarity from anyone who is voting for it

@PinkMagpie I read that conservatives, Labour and lib Dems claimed that their policies were fully costed, but that analysts said they didn't add up. Apparently reform policies aren't costed and would have substantial deficits.

@Monvelo right and if anyone can point me in the direction of the Green Party costings for their immigration policies I would be most grateful

@PinkMagpie obviously no one can if they don't exist. Have you asked for reforms too.

I am no expert on the asylum or immigration processes, and immigration isnt usually a topic that bothers me, but under the Green proposals it does sound like the cost would be almost unlimited.

By removing most of the restrictions or disincentives to entering the UK, and the constant signalling that refusing citizenship or asylum is something that only the meanie parties do, the number entering the country will likely skyrocket, and they are all entitled to the same benefits as UK citizens.

Combined with a difficult job market due to automation and AI. I think it could be catastrophic. (Like many other green policies so at least they are consistent).

If I am understanding correctly, @Monvelo you think that if Reform don’t provide the costings for their policies then no other party should have to either?

People think if you don't like the Green Party, you must be Reform, it's ridiculous. I was a member of the Green Party for 20 years. I'm about as likely to vote Reform as I am to sprout wings but even I can see that their current ideas are impossible to actually implement.

9 would actually save money.

7 noble prize winning economists have actually said there is a case to be made to tax the rich. They “argue that the current economic system allows the super-rich to see massive wealth growth while middle-class standards stagnate, necessitating direct intervention through taxation.” They’re essentially proposing to tax billionaires by 2-3percent. It’s needed. No billionaire earns their wealth fairly they have their hand open for government interventions. Bernie Sanders is pushing for the same state side. California is proposing a billionaire/ wealth tax.

The Green Party are the only ones challenging the political systems that are keeping us poor. The conservative and Labour governments don’t really care. Reform are being funded by a Crypto billionaire and don’t care about people’s rights, they want a poor working class so there’s cheap Labour.

I don’t agree with all Green policies or can be classed as a supporter but I want a political party to actually represent and stand for the interests of the working and middle classes and challenge the amount of wealth that these billionaires have been allowed to accumulate.

Look at AI. Look at what Sam Altman is saying about AI. It’s scary stuff. We need a Government that will stand up to tech companies. Labour are trying but need to do more.

This. It's ok people saying we have an aging population and need immigration, but unprecedented numbers is not going to solve this country's problems. We need skilled workers not unskilled. Life expectancy is going to get longer as health care advances. Meanwhile AI is going to replace a lot of jobs.

Building more houses is not the answer as that creates problems with wildlife and the eco system. We need less people in this country not more.

I'm glad I'm not young anymore as I dread to think what this country will be like in 30 years time.

They will tax the super rich they won’t take money from education, welfare or the nhs.

2,4, 6 & 7 - the numbers are likely to be astronomical. People are already worried about the impact on the welfare bill when the Boris wave are entitled to benefits. We should be slashing the welfare bill, not adding to it.

@IdontLeaveEarly there aren't enough of the super rich to pay for all the things a govt wants to pay for.