AIBU to ask those of you voting Green what the Green Party immigration plans would cost?

[PinkMagpie]

This is the Green Party platform on immigration. How much will it cost the country to implement this?

1. Implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration
2. Treat all migrants as if they are citizens
3. Give all residents the right to vote
4. Help families to be together
5. Dismantle the Home Office
6. Abolish the No Recourse to Public Funds condition
7. Abolish the ten year route to settlement
8. Stop the profiteering from application fees
9. Stop putting people in prison because of their immigration status
10. Accept our responsibility for the climate emergency and support the people forced to move

@PinkMagpie lol no, I actually think they should all provide costings. I'm not after a bun fight. I was being a bit devils advocate. I don't think most green voters vote green because of their policies on immigration tbh, it's lower down the priorities for many people. I personally really like on-line quizzes such as vote for policies as a way of getting past sound bite headlines. It would be great if they'd include figures. I think education around what's behind policies could be massively increased. And would love mandatory voting.

Ik they won’t give any answers on numbers or a limit but it makes the proposals very hard to get close to doing.

They will never get much money out of the super rich, the squeezed middle have had enough and those on welfare seem to be protected for some reason I can never fathom. There is no more money.

Number 10 could be incredibly high, idk how it would be possible.

Number 10 is terrifying. Of course we should help people but if there are too many - which we're close to now - the country would be swamped and we'd all want out. I already envy those young enough or wealthy enough that have been able to get out. The population has already increased by 20 million in my lifetime. It is madness.

@angelos02 it is terrifying isn’t it? I wish I felt that people were actually voting for it with their eyes open. But, as evidenced by this thread, I don’t believe that Green voters have really interrogated the policy platform at all

Do you really think that we open up our immigration system to an indeterminate number of people affected by climate change and it will cost us “very little”

I’m curious - what do you think the reform plans would cost?

They propose that they’ll review the last 5 years’ worth of asylum claims when they come to office. That will add an estimated 400,000 cases to an already overstretched system. That means people waiting longer for their cases to be reviewed, and therefore staying in the country longer.

I don't see the relevance of the question, given that immigration isn't a devolved power (so doesn't apply in Scottish Parliament/Senedd elections) and that elections in the rest of the UK are local council elections.

You're not going to get current manifestos until we're in the runup to an actual GE.

@tulippetals I’m not a Reform voter

@pointythings I’ll judge them on the policy platforms they make available to the public

What accommodation would that be then? Do you agree that we already have an acute housing shortage? How much more acute do you imagine it will be when half the developing world and their five kids each arrive?

If AI doesn't know I don't know why you think posters on Mumsnet will be able to tell you.

@ilovesooty i’m asking people who are voting for this policy what it will cost this country. Ball park figure is fine if it hasn’t been fully costed

There are over 1 million empty homes in the UK. The vast majority of these are second/temporary homes. That’s what causes the housing.

Aah, so all those chichi little cottages in Cornwall and the North Norfolk coast, where there are no jobs for the locals except those that exist purely to service the tourism market are going to be filled with people who otherwise couldn't afford to live in them. Including immigrants and their families.

And when the air bnb and second home market collapses and the holiday makers stop coming to those cute seaside towns because they are no longer delightful Burnham Market or Bude, and more like desperate Burnley or Blackpool on a bad day, and there aren't any holiday cottages to rent anyway, what are all those people going to do for work, in order that they can pay the rent on those cottages that are now available for them to live in?

And anyway, if the Greens wanted to somehow commander a million privately owned properties to ease the strain on housing for the 70 million people who already live here, they might be in with a chance of sorting out the housing crisis. Not in a way that is remotely workable in practice, but in theory at least.

However, the minute they allow unlimited numbers of immigrants to come in, any headway they may have made on housing will immediately be back to square one. The country is already looking like a third world shanty town in some parts of the UK. A year or two of the Greens and the whole fucking country will be one giant favela.

I used to vote green ,when it actually was the green party
Now it's the party that puts what happens in other countries above what happens in UK .it's the party for open boarders and giving people who have been here 5 minutes a vote and a house and access to benefits,not to mention they think a woman' can have a penis.
God help us all if they get anywhere near power

Is that their wording and choice of order @PinkMagpie or yours?

TBH I'm delighted that a mention of environmental issues scraped in there at all.

I'd be a Green voter if they actually prioritised environmental policies. Climate change is the single biggest threat to our future and none of the main parties give a shit. "Good old Nige" is bragging about doing away with carbon policies so we can all have cheaper fossil fuel.

and when all the locals leave? Then what?

@AndWorseAFemale that is the Green Party’s wording and order

Yes and im sure the super rich would just let them!😂 all for the sake of living in the wonderful united kingdom!!😂

Has anyone released their manifesto costings for the next general election?

@araiwa No we are not discussing manifestos that have not been released yet

Do we really,really ,think green have a chance of getting in to government next election..
But I've no idea who I'm voting for ,
We need a proper actual green party ..the current green party should be made to change their name , because there is very little green about them .
Plus the bloke is an arse ,

There needs to be something (maybe it exists and I've not found it)
Where you answer like 50 questions on your beliefs and expectations and policies you want in government,then it tells you which party to vote for according to what you ticked