PIP for Anxiety

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AIBU to clear things up?

The current nasty rhetoric around disabled people at the moment is astounding. Society needs to be reminded that we are ALL one illness or accident away from disability.

Everyone knows someone who is gaming the system, yet the PIP fraud rate is extremely low. The public demonising, does not match the reality.

The hot topic is “anxiety” and how people with “anxiety” are gaming the system, getting “free” cars and robbing tax payers; this is being constantly fed through media, news articles and so on.

This is simply not true. The people spouting this nonsense clearly have no idea how PIP works. Nobody gets PIP without strong medical evidence. Nobody.

Before anyone posts “my neighbour got PIP just by telling lies”. No, they did not. That’s not how it works.

People need to be educated properly on how benefits work, how they are awarded and what the criteria for mobility cars actually is; the cars are not in fact free.

People need to be educated on the fact that there is anxiety, which every human suffers from at some point, and then there are anxiety DISORDERS which are entirely different and can be life changing and debilitating. Hence, the need and entitlement for PIP.

Brenda down the road who feels too anxious to go to Bingo on a Friday night is NOT getting PIP ❌

Mary up the lane who has such severe OCD that she cannot leave her own home for fear that she will die, IS getting PIP .✅

There’s a huge difference.

The current turning on disabled people is shameful and we are living in a country full of hate because Bob (and his Uncle) are annoyed that they are paying tax to “support all of these scroungers”.

Bob (and his Uncle), needs to hope that they never get cancer, or suffer life changing trauma or have an unfortunate accident to avoid being served a huge scrounged humble pie.

I do not suffer from anxiety but as a human, I am pleased we have a system in society to support the most vulnerable people who need it. Life can happen to anyone.

I only know one person claiming this - he openly admits he doesn’t need it but when he was a child his mother managed to get a dr friend to certify him as having something and he’s since then decided he’s also anxious/unable to work. Never had a job because tbh - he gets loads so in his words ‘I would be a mug to work’ - 🤷🏻‍♀️ he’s just had his second child.

The thing with pip specifically its money used for disability so if they didn't give it to the individual it would just come from the nhs and local councils but would cost significantly more as pip doesn't cover the cost of disability. For e.g I use to get free hospital transport as my consultants are spread all over the country but when you get the high rate mobility payment of pip you are no longer eligible for free hospital transport so now I pay for it out of my pip. So either way the government is paying for it if that makes sense. The difference is the government actually pay less now im on pip as my mobility doesn't cover it so I pay out of pocket but I do benefit from having reliable transport from the private sector because I don't know if you've ever used hospital transport its so unreliable I never got to half of my appointments which then costs the nhs. Im rambling does this make sense

Oh stop. I am not talking about fractured limbs and you know that 😅. I am talking about the proliferation of walking sticks for able bodied women with fibromylagia or ME (insert other chronic condition unable to be disproved by medical science but relies upon symptoms described by the patient themselves)

How many posts have said, my friend openly admits she plays the system, apparently cannot leave the house but can go get nails, hair etc done.

Its everywhere!!!! Some people openly admit playing the system.....

My exBIL gets pip because he apparently has anxiety and a debilitating back condition yet is out every weekend and works cash in hand manual labouring whilst also getting UC and his rent paid.

The.System.Does.Work.Like.That

The fraud rates are low because they are not being investigated.

Do you genuinely believe that very few PIP claimants are swinging the lead and are not making up or wildly exaggerating their complaints to DWP?

God bless you. Your faith in the Great British public is very high.

There are various reasons why PIP is awarded, assessed by how well or otherwise you cope with a range of everyday living and mobility descriptors. Needing carers is not a mandatory requirement of PIP - it depends entirely on how well you cope with the activities assessed, what aids and appliances you use and what help you need. And that help can be supplied by family or friends. In addition, the disabling effects of the condition only need to be present for 50% or more of the time for the person to qualify.

No, PIP assessors are not stupid, but they’re also not infallible and no system is immune to fraud. There are some able bodied people in this world who think they are perfectly entitled to claim benefits and other entitlements meant for the disabled. The focus should be on weeding them out and punishing them, rather than cutting benefits and reducing the circumstances of those who genuinely need them. Which is what rhetoric from successive governments of all colours is aimed at. MN typically doesn’t apply any critical thinking when it comes to benefits - it simply toes the government line.

It’s reviewed every 2 or 3 years and the reviews are rigorous. He would need to provide evidence.

You said going to the gym disproved need and eligibility for PIP - I explained this was wrong ..this reply doesn’t relate to individual cases that are awarded PIP

You can sneer as much as you like. I stand by what I say. Recovering from OCD, agoraphobia, other phobias can be overcome but like I said it requires effort from the sufferer. I know because I have overcome social phobia.

Thst doesnt mean they are successful though
I too have seen people on DLA / PIP facebook groups putting in claims for very tenuos reasons they rarely get awarded though.

Or maybe like me, they've had a stroke which has affected their balance, strength and walking speed and fatigue easily...

And your evidence for pip fraud not being investigated?

Yes that must be what's happening because it has happened to you. So all these women have had strokes or fractures. Silly me.

Do you genuinely believe that if you’re claiming PIP you shouldn’t be out and about engaging in society ? If so I suggest you think again because the clue is in the name - personal INDEPENDENCE payment. Again and again on these threads it seems that posters think because you claim this benefit you should be behind closed doors quietly being ill.

There is a difference between illness and disability. PIP is designed to support disabled people to be able to do the things they couldn’t do so easily without the benefit. Because living with a disability is expensive. As a disability support worker if I had a penny for every time I’ve heard disabled people described as ‘nothing wrong with them if they can ride around in a free car’ I’d be rich. What do they think the bloody car is for, if not to help them be mobile and independent ?

So she told you she was committing fraud and showed you the forms. Ok then we believe you. 🤣

My sister gets it for anxiety. She originally claimed it “to see if she could, as it seems to be easy”. A couple of Dr visits, half an hour telephone assessment and she was awarded PIP!
She spends it on holidays, going out and just day to day shopping etc.

I wonder what percentage of people are awarded PIP for strokes versus ME or Fibromylagia.

Nope, reported twice with photo/video evidence. Nothing done.

Maybe they were aware that you were jealous and had an axe to grind and who you reported had indisputable evidence.

That does not mean pip fraud isn’t investigated.

No, but you have no idea what they might be experiencing. Not everything is obvious from first glance and it's offensive to assume that people are by default faking and making things up.

https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/success-rates

What evidence did she provide?

Offensive but not untrue.

The couple of Drs visits presumably ,
Becsuse its that easy...

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