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Voting for Reform.the north/south

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Jollyjupiter · 24/04/2026 00:16

As a proud Northerner i can say 80 per cent of my peer group will vote for Reform in May. Do you think it will be a North v South split?

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ForWittyTealOP · 24/04/2026 10:46

Tuiy · 24/04/2026 10:23

Yeah small town in the far south here. Don’t know a single person who isn’t voting reform.

People really need to stop doing this. Look at the polls, look at the data. It doesn't matter if everyone you know is voting Reform; all that tells us about is your social circle.

IAmBeaIDrinkTea · 24/04/2026 10:47

If anyone voting Reform could explain which of their policies they are in agreement with, I would genuinely be interested to hear

I would too

AnythingButThis · 24/04/2026 10:48

Itchthescratch · 24/04/2026 10:44

Absolutely call out extremist views but what extremist policies does Reform have?

For instance - and only one example - their housing and infrastructure spokesperson Simon Dudley who advocates for deregulation and on the subject of Grenfell said:
’You know …sadly…everyone dies in the end. It’s just how you go, right?’
AND
’You can’t stop tragic things from happening… Fires do happen.’

What a piece of work.

And those who are public reform members who want to give Tommy Robinson a ‘chance’.
migt dig out some of their unsavoury views too.

ForWittyTealOP · 24/04/2026 10:49

Itchthescratch · 24/04/2026 10:32

I think you need to spend time educating yourself before spouting off at others. We absolutely do have welfare in the country alongside social security. If we didn't then anyone who hasn't contributed sufficiently into the social security system would receive no government help.

Welfare spending is roughly 12% of GDP. Health spending is roughly the same. Double what we spend on education and quadruple what we spend of defence. Currently 34% of all our GDP funds the state. Interestingly we now spend more on welfare then we raise through income tax. Do you think that's right?

I don't't really want to tell you why your "educate yourself" comment is so funny but but honestly, thank you for giving me a good laugh this morning. Much appreciated!

Onmytod24 · 24/04/2026 10:49

EasternStandard · 24/04/2026 10:41

Does insulting people work for Labour anyway? They’re losing voters each week. Perhaps the mn take is driving people away.

I don’t understand your post or why you quoted me.

Itchthescratch · 24/04/2026 10:50

ForWittyTealOP · 24/04/2026 10:49

I don't't really want to tell you why your "educate yourself" comment is so funny but but honestly, thank you for giving me a good laugh this morning. Much appreciated!

No go on .. I'm interested in what was so hilarious.

EasternStandard · 24/04/2026 10:51

Onmytod24 · 24/04/2026 10:49

I don’t understand your post or why you quoted me.

Just reading about four posts about people being nice or not.

I don’t think Labour are getting anywhere with leaning on the insults. They’re losing voters lose more voters every week.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 24/04/2026 10:51

Itchthescratch · 24/04/2026 10:34

Reform are ahead in the polls. It is more common to intend to vote for Reform than any other party. Those trying to pretend it's some marginal, ill informed position are fundamentally undemocratic.

They are polling well, indeed. But even in the strongest polling, they are still a minority.

And voting intentions which favour Reform are strongly correlated with lower levels of education, so actually, I think a lot of them are ill-informed.

Of course, there will be some highly educated people on the far right who understand exactly what they're voting for, and they're terrifying, but the majority of Reform voters don't fall into that category.

dunroaminaroind · 24/04/2026 10:53

Jollyjupiter · 24/04/2026 00:16

As a proud Northerner i can say 80 per cent of my peer group will vote for Reform in May. Do you think it will be a North v South split?

I’ve already asked you this, but please can you explain why you are going to vote Reform? It would be helpful for people to understand your reasoning.

EasternStandard · 24/04/2026 10:54

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 24/04/2026 10:51

They are polling well, indeed. But even in the strongest polling, they are still a minority.

And voting intentions which favour Reform are strongly correlated with lower levels of education, so actually, I think a lot of them are ill-informed.

Of course, there will be some highly educated people on the far right who understand exactly what they're voting for, and they're terrifying, but the majority of Reform voters don't fall into that category.

Why does education level mean I’ll-informed?

Do you think every person without a degree is ill-informed?

What if they’re a carer without a degree, but do that job, or someone without a degree working in Tesco, do they all fit that description for you?

ForWittyTealOP · 24/04/2026 10:54

CanSeeClearlyNowTheRainHasGone · 24/04/2026 10:46

It's a dog-whistle because it's a divisive trope and founded on many untruths. It seeks to scapegoat the older generation to the younger in much the same way as the opposite "youth are snowflakes with mental health problems" trope.

It's a dog whistle because its a massive generalisation that doesn't reflect the lived experience of many people.

Let's look just at education - the trope is that the older generation all got free university and the younger generation get stiffed by huge loans (this latter part is true and scandalous). Yet only 5% went to university and many left school at 16, even 15 and straight out to productive work. Now almost everyone stays in school for 2 more years and 50% in university for another 4 years. That's 6 years economic inactivity for themselves and the country. Hardly surprising that living standards fall.

Certainly younger people struggle with massive rents (as do older) but house prices are a function of low interest rates, suppressed during the financial crisis and also of the enlarged labour force. But thats hardly the fault of the older generation.

Yes, pensions have risen but that's a function of the stagnation and inflation within the economy not a policy of the aged.

You might say that the older generation have voted to dismantle the settlement (though what that means is nebulous) but generally the voters of any generation have little impact on the policies enacted. Politicians are considerably younger than the boomers you dislike yet seem intent on not fixing anything. That seems more like an indictment of the younger generations ability to get necessary things done.

Also, much of this trope compares the current situation of one generation against another. Rather than of each generation at similar ages.

When i was young we had awful landlords with horrid housing, rising interest rates, IMF bailouts, petrol price spiking and imminent rationing, and lots of strikes and general unrest. It looked bleak, and was for a long time.

Sound familiar??

But things changed over time and many prospered subsequently. It took a strong person to make the necessary changes, and also the good fortune of north sea oil, but it was a time when politicians had come from a life of actually doing jobs and running business etc. Since then I just see professional politicians who only know how to campaign and who, on achieving power, continue to campaign instead of being unpopular but governing wisely.

That's not what dog whistle means though.

Out of interest, were you a Thatcherite?

Itchthescratch · 24/04/2026 10:57

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 24/04/2026 10:51

They are polling well, indeed. But even in the strongest polling, they are still a minority.

And voting intentions which favour Reform are strongly correlated with lower levels of education, so actually, I think a lot of them are ill-informed.

Of course, there will be some highly educated people on the far right who understand exactly what they're voting for, and they're terrifying, but the majority of Reform voters don't fall into that category.

Just because you aren't considered highly educated, it doesn't mean that you're poorly informed about politics and vice versa.

It is totally possible that the issues that impact and matter to you most may be different to those that are considered well educated. Different cultures and lived experiences will shape how you think and view the world. It doesn't make your opinion wrong or less valid. For years an educated elite have been telling people that immigration is fantastic whilst they have used certain places as effective dumping grounds. People have rapidly seen their local area change beyond measure and seen increased pressure placed on public services. They have expressed concerns and were ignored and called racist. They feel that Reform are most likely to tackle this and other issues that matter to them. They aren't ignorant to think this. The other major parties have all been in power in recent history and done nothing for them

ForWittyTealOP · 24/04/2026 10:59

Itchthescratch · 24/04/2026 10:50

No go on .. I'm interested in what was so hilarious.

Absolutely not. I'm very guarded about what I share on here. Just imagine being as far off the mark as you could possibly get, you'll get the gist.

Next time think twice before instructing people to "educate themselves" without having a single clue about who they are or what they do. You've made yourself look really daft.

BlakeCarrington · 24/04/2026 11:01

hattie43 · 24/04/2026 07:35

Wow the assumption that everyone older is rich . Well done for reinforcing the usual tropes . No it doesn’t seem to be anything to do with finances . It’s the erosion of law and order . It’s the not being encouraged to celebrate Britishness . It’s the increased hatred of Jews , it’s the never ending marches for this that and the other , it’s the huge benefits bill . It’s that nothing works anymore . It’s that the Greens are barking mad . It’s that the two main stream parties have let the country down . No one has a clue who to vote for because there just isn’t a sensible mainstream option . Reform are a better option than the Greens where the whole order of society will break down . It’s a myriad of reasons but not financial and not just the rich .

Well said Hattie, so many lazy assumptions.

I don’t think there’s so much of a North South divide as you think OP. I’m in Wiltshire and there seems to be increasing Reform support here.

DaisyDooley · 24/04/2026 11:02

BIossomtoes · 24/04/2026 09:40

She doesn’t care about anyone else’s rights except her own and will be astonished to find hers disappearing along with everyone else’s.

Thanks for speaking for me. Don’t bother doing it again.
SHE does care about rights. But I care MORE about the rights of me and mine and every British person rather than people who come here to rape us -financially as well as physically.
Scrapping our membership of the EUROPEAN court of human rights should have been done when we LEFT Europe -and then Labour or the Tory’s could have written a new bill specifically for us.

EasternStandard · 24/04/2026 11:03

Itchthescratch · 24/04/2026 10:57

Just because you aren't considered highly educated, it doesn't mean that you're poorly informed about politics and vice versa.

It is totally possible that the issues that impact and matter to you most may be different to those that are considered well educated. Different cultures and lived experiences will shape how you think and view the world. It doesn't make your opinion wrong or less valid. For years an educated elite have been telling people that immigration is fantastic whilst they have used certain places as effective dumping grounds. People have rapidly seen their local area change beyond measure and seen increased pressure placed on public services. They have expressed concerns and were ignored and called racist. They feel that Reform are most likely to tackle this and other issues that matter to them. They aren't ignorant to think this. The other major parties have all been in power in recent history and done nothing for them

I think that people are ill-informed post due to not having a degree shows a misplaced superiority that isn’t unusual in some demographics.

DaisyDooley · 24/04/2026 11:04

youalright · 24/04/2026 08:44

Exactly, I don't want to be dragged into a war i don't want my children sent to war i don't want to have to be moved to a safe country to live with a random family where I don't speak the language. Labour stopped this happening, reform wanted it to happen. No matter what you think of labour being safe, alive and able to stay in my own home with my family is my top priority

Reform would have allowed the USA to use our air bases.
Thats it.
Your precious sons are safe -unlike our daughters.

Jollyjupiter · 24/04/2026 11:06

@MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack every comment you make on this thread is dripping with venom...and rude.
You may not agree with others views but wind your neck in.

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IAmBeaIDrinkTea · 24/04/2026 11:06

DaisyDooley · 24/04/2026 11:04

Reform would have allowed the USA to use our air bases.
Thats it.
Your precious sons are safe -unlike our daughters.

You think your daughters would be safe under a Reform government?
Your head must be living in some kind of upside down world.

BlakeCarrington · 24/04/2026 11:07

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 24/04/2026 10:26

That tells us more about your social circle than it tells us about Reform's prospects of electoral success.

Hahaha, what a crappy response, straight to personal attacks. How on earth do you expect to persuade others to your view with this sort of childish approach?

ForWittyTealOP · 24/04/2026 11:07

DaisyDooley · 24/04/2026 11:02

Thanks for speaking for me. Don’t bother doing it again.
SHE does care about rights. But I care MORE about the rights of me and mine and every British person rather than people who come here to rape us -financially as well as physically.
Scrapping our membership of the EUROPEAN court of human rights should have been done when we LEFT Europe -and then Labour or the Tory’s could have written a new bill specifically for us.

We didn't leave Europe. That would be geographically impossible. We left the EU which is not connected to the ECHR. The ECHR was founded by the Council of Europe and the UK is a member of that (and has been since 1949).

ForWittyTealOP · 24/04/2026 11:08

IAmBeaIDrinkTea · 24/04/2026 11:06

You think your daughters would be safe under a Reform government?
Your head must be living in some kind of upside down world.

Apologies, responded to the wrong poster.

ForWittyTealOP · 24/04/2026 11:09

Jollyjupiter · 24/04/2026 11:06

@MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack every comment you make on this thread is dripping with venom...and rude.
You may not agree with others views but wind your neck in.

Edited

I hope she doesn't wind her neck in! I enjoy her contribution.

AnythingButThis · 24/04/2026 11:11

It’s seems clear that this ‘don’t patronise us’ ‘stop being superior’ ‘certain people with degrees’ etc etc which is repeated endlessly on this thread is a tactic for undermining any actual criticism of Reform. People keep reverting to it rather than talking about policy in any other way than quite sensationalist in tone.
In its own way it’s just as nasty as actually being patronising. Also worth stating that education is not a bad thing and helps with critical thinking. A useful skill when considering the impact of the decisions you make on yourself and on those more vulnerable.

EasternStandard · 24/04/2026 11:11

ForWittyTealOP · 24/04/2026 11:09

I hope she doesn't wind her neck in! I enjoy her contribution.

Do you agree people without degrees are ill-informed?