English people are second class citizens

[NotAnotherScarf]

Aibu To be annoyed about so many Facebook posts about celebrating st George's day being racist. No one post this for st Patrick's day, st Andrew's or st David's.... Hogmanay and burns night have parties

By celebrating being English, passing democracy to the world, Shakespeare, Agatha Christie, TV, the jet engine, the internet... railways, the industrial revolution, beer, the Beatles... All should be celebrated.

Yes we did some shite things...but white slavery (20+ million), the Holocaust, programs in Eastern Europe. King Leopold of Belgium hunting African people. The depopulation of parts of the USSR, the ethnic cleansing of Bosnia.....all things that in the last 125 years England has nothing to do with...yet people like to think that we who celebrate our Englishness are scum.

No tool is good or bad until you use it- the internet included.

It should be a bank holiday’

Ironic that you say "its our day, not theirs"... isnt this exact sentiment of a racist. Yet, somehow are against racists. I like how some people like to virtue signal by pretending to be all inclusive... then come out with remarks like this. Who is "us" and "them"? You sound as bad...

Which dictators did the English single handedly save Europe from?

So was his dog, Slasher.

And here lies the problem. Uneducated and silly comments trying to suggest St George’s day is a racist celebration. It really isn’t. Get over yourself…..🙄

The invention of roads? I think the Romans might want a word...

Is this just negativity farming?

Not forgetting that Tarmac was invented by a Welshman.

The problem is the English flag has been long co-opted by racist England First types.

And using the phrase ‘second class citizen’ in the OP title is rather a dog whistle for the type of goady post that celebrates that kind of toxic nationalism.

Well you HOPE thats what she meant. Who really knows on here.....🧐

Or was Ireland one of the countries that was colonised?

A fete, a cream tea and a church service sound nice!

I haven’t ever lived anywhere that did this (grew up in a village and now live in a city, but haven’t exactly lived everywhere!) but this sounds like a nice thing, and they are all definitely traditional activities.

But I agree trying to intimidate others has no place in any civilised society, and this is what certain factions seem to want.

Chicken and egg question!!

I haven't seen one post today implying it is racist to celebrate the day... I've seen a couple of surprised posts, since its not traditionally paid attention to much, and a couple of posts along the lines of 'the muslims will hate this' pointing out that muslims also recognise St George. And a couple of jokes about how St George would have been an immigrant to England if he'd ever come here.

I’m sure the racist types you describe were using the Union Flag until about the mid 90s, then someone had the bright idea to repopularise the St George’s flag during Euro 1996 in order to give non-racist English people an alternative. But they quickly nicked that too!

Do you think it's impossible for Ireland to have been both?

Well in comparison to Scottish people….I’m not going to say no 😆

If you are trying to bring Edmund back as our patron saint please count me in, it has been tried before but perhaps we need another go

Edited as ever for clarification

TV? Scottish invention, improved by an American.

Not all st georges day enthusiasts are racists but a lot of racists seem to be fond of st George's day.

Scotland. I also imagine many Irish Protestants profited from the slave trade

Huh? Have you heard of the Ulster plantation? How do you think the whole Northern Ireland situation came about?

When exactly did Ireland in its own right take over Scotland?

All the countries the UK colonised

So the UK colonises Ireland, takes land from the natives, introduces penal laws, then goes one step further and actually makes it part of the UK, despite the native Irish fighting against that takeover for literally hundreds of years and now you're trying to say the Irish were colonisers because of their own colonisation.

Do you really not know this stuff or are you on a wind-up?

I mean that's fine that you have something going on near you, but I don't. I just looked on a local newspaper and they have a webpage of st Georges day events, a neighbouring town is having a fair (which I didn't actually realize, maybe they do that and we do the maypole), there were a couple pubs, a church event but not much. If I compare to say bonfire night, there would have been 30+ events listed. I'm not saying it's wrong to celebrate St Georges day, I just don't think traditionally it's something that people have particularly done.

The Internet isn't a British invention. I don't know why this myth won't die.

Claiming that Australia and India should be thanking England for democracy is a special kind of stupid 😂😂😂