English people are second class citizens

[NotAnotherScarf]

Aibu To be annoyed about so many Facebook posts about celebrating st George's day being racist. No one post this for st Patrick's day, st Andrew's or st David's.... Hogmanay and burns night have parties

By celebrating being English, passing democracy to the world, Shakespeare, Agatha Christie, TV, the jet engine, the internet... railways, the industrial revolution, beer, the Beatles... All should be celebrated.

Yes we did some shite things...but white slavery (20+ million), the Holocaust, programs in Eastern Europe. King Leopold of Belgium hunting African people. The depopulation of parts of the USSR, the ethnic cleansing of Bosnia.....all things that in the last 125 years England has nothing to do with...yet people like to think that we who celebrate our Englishness are scum.

I like your approach. I’m sure English churches used to fly the St George cross routinely. It’s also the cross of Malta and Georgia. People forget that patron saints are not mascots. They were originally for prayers of intersession and it was believed St George answered the prayers of the small, tired and hungry English army at Agincourt. If anything, he’s rather inclusive.

Oh FFS! Nobody is stalking anyone. What she means is that social media algorithms feed back based on what you've shown an interest in. So if you're seeing racist posts it means you've already been looking at racist posts.

Hate to rain on your parade…the inventor of the TV was Scottish

If you want to talk “second class citizens”, you want to try being from NI and constantly having people call you Irish/ say they can’t understand you/ treat you like you’re speaking another language/ not understanding it’s part of the UK.

this just smacks of the usual rhetoric of being English and thinking the world revolves around that tbh.

No. The war of independence was inspired by the French Revolution, but the post-war independent constitution was mostly influenced by John Locke, eg the Bill of Rights 1689. It wasn’t French or influenced by Rousseau in any meaningful sense. And this is why it’s been so stable. France, by contrast, has had five republics and two monarchies since then. The current fifth republic has been on the verge of collapse for the last few years.

I said Glasgow was involved FFS. Or did you not know that was in Scotland?

I referred to England to refer to the OP's assertion that England was not involved in the white slave trade!

No we all know the French were actually invented with the sole purpose to wind up the English. They were put near enough next to us so they could pop over the Channel every so often and create trouble. They tried to make everyone speak a nonsense language. No way. We weren't going for it in 1066 and we still aren't going for it now. Hence we are all terrible at francais. On purpose.

The American Revolution was just another opportunity for the French to annoy us. They deliberately designed a system just different enough so that (although the British invented it really) the French could pretend they did. Its all very clear.

I thought you were serious until this post but no one can think that what the British did to the indigenous people of Australia and America was something to be celebrated (I don't include India because I think it's less well known, not because there weren't atrocities there too).

There are things to celebrate about British history and culture, colonialism isn't one of them though... even if countries now have democracy.

No I did not Glasgow is in Scotland.,.😳

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That makes a lot of sense...

Fly your flag then

I was being fairly obviously sarcastic??

I’ve never understood why people act proud to be born in a particular country - is it an achievement? Something you worked hard towards?

There’s a lot to like about British culture, but also a bit to dislike - such as this fake downtrodden nonsense.

I don't know what you mean? Scotch is an egg covered in ham and breadcrumbs, or what the Americans call whisky. What's that got to do with the slave trade?

Not obvious at all, you didn't even manage to write an entire sentence.

Propaganda for Reform by any chance?

" To be born an English man (we will have to make allowances for the sexism of the olden days) is to win first prize in the lottery of life"

Seems likely. It feels like the average IQ of Mumsnet has dropped by about 50 points tonight, so maybe they are trying a takeover?

Come on. You know you lot are really called the Scotch. Don't be so stubborn.

Unless he was Jesus C Nesbitt from Govan.

TBF you have been posting a fair bit....

Are you American, Pine?

I don’t know why we go through the farce of pretending England is still a nation with a shared history and shared culture. The Left have used mass immigration to destroy our identity. I just wish they’d stop posturing as the good guys and admit that they’re every bit as hate-filled as the right. The only difference is they hate middle-class, Brexit-voting English people.

When immigration happens on a small scale, and the people who move to your country do so because because they like and strongly identify with it (like T. S. Eliot, Henry James and Joseph Conrad), you really are enriched. When it happens on a massive scale, however, and the people you let in either know nothing about your country or, frankly, hate it, it’s game over. On top of that, the Left have done all they can to make us ashamed of our history and culture. They’ve ‘de-colonised’ the libraries, demonised our national heroes, and made us frightened even to fly our national flag.

I’m sick of people like Polanski dictating my identity to me. I don’t need that smug prat to tell me what it means to be English. I already know who I am thankyou Zack. My England is Monty Python and P. G. Wodehouse. It’s the canon of English poetry from Chaucer through Shakespeare and Blake and Wordsworth on up to Ted Hughes and Philip Larkin. It’s Jane Austen and Dickens and Virginia Woolf. The new identity that is being imposed on us doesn’t mean anything to me.

No I most certainly am not!! You take that back!!