Is Kier Starmer a liar?

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Is Kier Starmer a liar - yes or no?

It's a simple question. I can't see this on the trending threads, so asking the question.

YABU: He reliant on civil servants to share information and is in the clear, he didn't know what he didn't know.
YANBU: He's the Prime Minister. Who happens to get briefings and knew.

Fortunately there’s another three years before a general election. It’s an eternity in politics.

You think they put the mitigations in place behind the PM's back?

Starmer knew who Mandelson was when he appointed him. To an ambassador position. He knew about his links to Epstein. He knew about his past dodgy behaviour. He only appointed Mandelson because he is his mate. Mandelson has zero graces that made him suitable for this post. Zero. Actually, Mandelson should not be allowed anywhere near government.
Now, he was finger chosen and announced before any due process. And Starmer is making a civil servant pay for it with his job. The very same people he put under pressure by hand picking Mandelson. Not a minister, not the process, not the PM. It has been a civil servant. Well, that tells us who Starmer is. And that is not someone focused on the working people, is he?
I think Starmer should take full responsibility of his actions.
Starting by looking in the mirror. Do we want a PM that would choose a dodgy character as an advisor and mate? Remember, we had that with Johnson and the stupid Cummings man.
There are plenty of hard working, respectable, cultured people in UK that Starmer could promote. Instead of this shitty circle of his.

Nope he isn’t and I frankly couldn’t give a flying fuck about the Mandelson affair with all that is going on in the world. Let Keir get on with governing.

I saw Labour are introducing changes to energy pricing to decouple it from gas prices - how about our public discourse focus on discussions about how to get that policy right?

I think the senior civil servants involved are arrogant enough not to flag this with the PM. But the appointment had also been announced so there would have been the pressure to make it happen. I would also be a bit surprised if Lammy didn’t know.

But it's Labour MPs who will determine Starmer's future, and they're very worried about their own

The scapegoated CS will put his case today. I doubt it’s arrogance from them, more the PM and co for pushing through a poor candidate no matter what.

I also think that Mandelson was picked as someone who could deal with Trump, not because he was mates with Keir.

Labour will get rid of Starmer after the May local elections, as they will be able to blame their piss poor performance on him.

Labour out in force. Anyone else would be long gone. They haven’t got anyone else to appoint is the issue so he hangs on.

so he can make more egregious mistakes like this one.

Maybe but the previous ambassador was doing well and like by Trump apparently.

Yes, that is what I mean. Very kind of you to correct my spelling. Let’s see what Olly says today. I believe this is what he is likely to say, or at least heavily imply.

What’s that got to do with the entirely irrelevant poll you’re crowing about?

I said when KS was picked for PM that he was the "rebound PM" like the rebound boyfriend....might look good initially but chosen in haste and never going to be a long term prospect. The trouble is that I don't see any better prospect in the labour party....If I had to bet though I'd have a modest flutter on Wes Streeting.

Exactly! There was nothing wrong with the previous ambassador and all sorts of wrong with Mandelson.

He is a liar.

He also drink drives and hit a cyclist once while doing it.

Yep it was more about Starmer / McSweeney and Mandelson

can't comment on whether he had been drinking but the bit about the cyclist is true. Have you got any proff about the drink driving?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54701336

Really? Or how about the men took us to brexit to save their own political skins (Cameron and Johnson).
They have ruined this country more than any other politicians in my long life.

Labour dropping to a new historic low in a poll is all the Labour MPs actually care about.

And that's why Starmer is toast

sorry, was asking for a reference and see that one appeared. I am very surprised. I am not a fan, but this really surprises me.

All politicians are liars, I’m afraid. The days of anyone putting country before party, or their party before their personal career are decades gone. If, indeed, they ever existed.

I don’t have proof but he was playing 5 a side, then went to a pub for a few hours (not necessarily drinking obviously), then hit a cyclist, then didn’t wait for the police to attend the scene, went home and turned up hours later to be breathalysed. Highly suspicious. I’m sure he’s never done it again.

The local elections will be the voting version of the poll, and they’ll react to historic lows.