To wonder if there will be any fall out from skinny jabs?

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Everyone I know is now suddenly very slim. Okay, im exaggerating slightly, but genuinely, most of my friends who were previously overweight are all now slim thanks to skinny jabs. I am delighted for them! It seems unbelievable to think that a jab can cure this obesity crisis, but I am so pleased my friends and a couple of family members are able to live a healthier life thanks to this.

My only slight concern is, is this something that is going to be too good to be true? Do you think there will be any long term repercussions, or are we right to just celebrate this medication as a cure for something that so many have been battling for so long?

One of the things that is on my list of things to do is to have a Dexa scan when I’ve been at my target weight for a while, to see an accurate picture of what my body composition is. So maybe sometime later this year, perhaps in the Autumn. I’ll report back on my muscle mass and bone density.

@icecreamflowers those conditions are a risk for any long term weight loss programme though, to a greater or lesser extent. You surely don’t mean that people should remain obese, or that the risks of losing weight are greater than remaining obese?

Ok, I will give you the benefit of the doubt, these are not risks of rhe drugs. They are risks of weight loss not done right. As a society we cannot monitor people’s diets to the extent you wish and then force them to stay fat or go down the gym, that’s not the sort of nanny state any country will wish. I understand you do.

perosnal responsibility is a thing, however people lose weight, it’s on them to do right, the info is freely available, but I don’t even think North Korea treats irs population as you’re asking, it’s that batshit.

If people just prioritised protein and did some weight training they could both lose body fat and maintain their muscle mass.

You can start with Withings or similar. The one I have is around £60 and the results were close to dexa, has the advantage that you can monitor over time. I mean still do the dexa but a BiA scale at home is helpful also.

I was chatting about this at work today (NHS worker). One of the people I spoke to said he knows 3 people who have died as a result of the skinny jabs. Also the view of someone who worked in endocrinology said not to touch them unless diabetic. I won’t be going near them personally.

That’s can’t be right, there are no deaths directly attributable to the drugs any where in the world.

sorry edit to add, directly attributable to correct usage of Legit drugs, not one.

Nonsense. My professor, an expert dietitian and doctor specialising in obesity says under clinical-led care they’re incredibly safe. Stop spreading nonsense.

Has anyone tried to take them off you, or are people just suggesting that they should have real oversight?

There’s sort of a smugness to your response there. “We can be slim now,” sure you can. But people have been able to be slim since the dawn of time, and many still aren’t. It’s hardly bragging rights when you lose weight you needed to.

I’ve opted to lose mine without WLI, I still won’t be on here like “I can be skinny now!” I could have been skinny years ago. I like carbs and fat too much, but it was always available.

The only reason anyone would have a problem with that is if they’re not using them properly, or have them prescribed improperly.

I actually think they should be more readily available for people who need them - say a BMI of 30+, and for maintenance to stay there once dropped. It bothers me that you’d feel the need to pay £100s for something I can get for free, because I happen to already have weight complications. Obese is obese, treat them the same.

If they’re that wonderful, stop making people pay through the nose privately for them.

But if your BMI has never been obese to begin with, yeah pay for them, because that’s just plain old vanity and cosmetics aren’t free.

Yeah of course I’m smug, I feel amazing, I’m healthier than I have been in years, I look great snd I don’t struggle to maintain my weight. Never feel deprived, too hungry, any of it, and loads of energy.

it doesn’t need to bother you i need to pay and you can be slim for free. Honestly I can easily afford it.and I want all the health benefits the drugs bring. So you’re all good. 😄

What a bizarre comment! Why are people not allowed to be interested or concerned, just because they don’t take them?

I personally don’t know anyone who takes WLI, but I researched them a lot because I used to have money invested in the drug companies that make them (though not anymore). If some horrific side effect appeared then the share price would fall through the floor. I’m not saying that everyone has a financial interest, but simply that there are all kinds of reasons why people might research the drug, despite not taking it themselves. People are allowed to be interested and/or concerned.

Would you have been as smug if you’d done that without WLI, out of genuine interest?

I don’t like “skinny smug” from people who’ve never struggled with their weight, to be honest, nevermind those who have and have turned that around. You can be proud of yourself without being smug about it.

I’ll be pleased when I get to my target weight, but there’ll be no gloating about it. Because after all, I was obese to begin with. All I’m doing is fixing something that requires fixing.

If they’re as wonderful as you claim they are, there are many obese people who also “need” them and can’t afford them. Surely if they’re really the solution, those people shouldn’t be priced out the market?

I’m interested to know more about the deaths, can you explain a bit more about it?

Really? 🤔!

What did they die off?

Was the person you were chatting too, anything to do with the NHS? Or just a passing patient or maybe a porter?

Because this sounds total nonsense!

It seems they are finding that WLI can help with a lot more than just weight . You have to understand the science behind it which most don’t. And the studies and research do not end once something goes to market - absolutely not.
I think it certainly is open to abuse as with many medicines, and by professionals too - a friend who was maybe two stone overweight gets it from her pharmacist with absolutely no checks whatsoever. However I’m a bit annoyed I can’t use them as I have type 1 diabetes and it’s not approved for people with that and I’m not so stupid as to go against medical advice.

This poster will never be back to discuss their claims - I can guarantee it!

I think actually on reflection smug is the wrong word. Proud. Delighted.

to gain weight and not be able to lose it is awful when you start to get unwell due to it, and you still can’t do it. Then something works. It makes you so happy.

when you develop high cortisol due to peri,which leads to insulin resistance, weight gain, high blood pressure, sleep apnea, and it’s a vicious circle you can’t get out of, because you’re exhausted, you don’t sleep. Your mental health is in the toilet.

You can’t fix it because doctors have nothing to help you. When you have to take such brutal high blood pressure tablets they have to keep checking your kidneys for damage, and you can’t fix this, the doctors can’t fix this, because the high cortisol, the insulin resistance, the sleep apnea, your mental health, all together fight you an you feel so so tired, so unwell. You can’t remember the last time you slept solidly.

snd then a drug comes to market. And it works. You feel immediatly better. From day 1, your stomach starts shrinking back, your sore ankles relieve, you eat healthy, you sleep a solid 8 hours at night. You go to the gym 6 days a week. Your gp monitors you, your blood pressure starts dropping. They reduce the meds, every month, till you come off them completely.

you eat your protein, you work out most days, you protect your muscle at all costs. You lose over 6 stone and go from a bmi 32 to a 20. Your blood test results, the whole suite, show a healthy woman. All smack bang in the middle of optimal.

so yeah I feel proud. I feel proud I took the decision for my health. I feel proud I did the work and I feel proud that even though the nhs couldn’t help Me, I was intelligent enough to research the drugs and ensure I knew what I was doing, proud I discussed with my gp and family before embarking on it. Proud I earn enough that I can pay for it myself.

so yeah, you call it smug. I call it proud. Relieved. Delighted. And you and your mates can go on with silly snippy little comments. But I’d recommend them to anyone. I’m on long term, I maintain on a low dose. I’m very healthy, I look healthy, you can see it in me, my hair, my skin, my face, my body, a very different woman to I was a couple of years ago.

and if some one doesn’t like it, can’t understand the risks of obesity, then that’s their problem. It isn’t mine.

👏 👏

My friend’s cleaner’s sister-in-law’s tennis partner actually took so much Mounjaro she dissolved completely. Her husband just found a pile of clothing and jewellery in a heap on the living room floor when he got back from work. It was only when they lab tested that patch of carpet that they realised what happened. I wouldn’t touch them.

I KNEW it!

Okay… but as far as I can see nobody is suggesting otherwise.

What has been suggested is that it should be better regulated and more closely monitored.

Many people don’t use it correctly and do starve themselves.

A colleague of mine will admit she was consuming 300 calories a day, that’s how she lost 5 stone. She uploaded her obese starting picture over and over again and moved up the dosages. That should have been monitored and picked up on. She didn’t diet, she starved herself, and that should not be possible with a drug you buy online with no real checks.

People with a history of ED buying them privately no real checks. Not good enough.

Obese people getting them and giving them to those who wouldn’t be able to get them themselves.

That doesn’t mean people who are using and buying them properly shouldn’t be able to - it’s a free country, but I cannot fathom why you’d think better management would be a bad idea unless you’re one of those misusing them.

It depends what sort of thing you mean by better regulation and closer monitoring.

How would you propose to monitor the food intake of people taking GLP1s as that seems practically impossible to me.

You keep saying “no real checks” but I know that for every pharmacy that I’ve used there have been a variety of checks, many of which would be very hard to fake, and checks are getting tighter all the time. Pharmacies who don’t check will fail inspections and be sanctioned, as they should be.

There’s a massive difference between better management and the kind of incredibly tight oversight that seems to be suggested by people who want these medications to be especially monitored above and beyond anything that’s done for any other prescription medication you can access privately online.

There are a huge amount of checks, and many drugs are abused. And yes it is good enough, you can’t punish the many for the sins of the few.