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To raise my concerns about my brother’s parenting?

103 replies

childlessbutconcerned · 19/04/2026 19:00

My brother has two children, under 5. He is, for the most part, a very good and hands on dad. Does a lot of housework, school runs, shares time off work when they’re sick 50/50.

But he has a very nasty angry streak that has come out over the last year or so. I’ve seen it before, long before he had kids, usually when drunk. He seemed to have calmed down after having his first child.

My husband and I are child free by choice (at least for now), so I feel kind of out of place to say anything. But I’ve noticed he gets incredibly angry with his children. The eldest was at my house the other day and when he picked them up, they wouldn’t hug me goodbye. I knew that they had had a good day, was happy to have spent the day with me, etc etc. he shouted at them to the point the child was sobbing and I had to just put them in the car and walk away because it was too upsetting and I was afraid that I would say something unforgivable, and it deteriorate into a horrible situation all together.

Today, they came over again. The youngest ran into the road when it was time to go home. He shouted at them, again to the point even my husband was scared.

This seems to be happening more frequently and it’s always over things children just do - not wanting to go home, not wanting to give a hug or a kiss, being generally a little bit annoying. But it’s getting to the point that I’m starting to get concerned for everyone’s safety. I don’t think he would ever do anything physical, but it’s obviously not something you can ever guarantee. I’m thinking of framing it in a “is everything okay, as I’ve noticed your temperament has changed” way, as opposed to “you’re far too angry” way, because I think that would just inflame tensions. But I also think, I have no idea what it’s like to have kids and the stresses parents are under, so it’s not my place to say anything. WIBU to say something?

OP posts:
Everytime · 21/04/2026 07:50

I'm genuinely surprised by some of these replies. Shouting at kids until they are sobbing is not parenting, it is not teaching them and it's not a proportionate ' consequences' to any behaviour, especially low-level stuff OP has detailed here.

If he's doing it for these minor things, on front of other people this is a frequent, regular thing. Imagine getting screamed at every time you don't comply, for every mistake. The level of anxiety and tension in those kids must be phenomenal.

I think it's worth raising with your brother.

Xmasallergies · 21/04/2026 08:55

Trust your instincts. It’s not normal to shout at children until they cry.

Weirdconditionaltense · 21/04/2026 09:18

In the case of the child running into the road I think many loving parents in the moment could easily express themselves with anger because you're just so worried they'll get hit by a car.

But in the house without that external risk, yes I agree with you that it doesn't sound good how your brother reacts.. Perhaps you can raise it with him, after you see it next , but frame it as concern for his mental health.As in, why does he feel this anger over something that he could dial back on, is there something else in his life that's troubling him etc etc.

No parent really accepts parenting criticism about themselves and, ( no offence here, but especially not from someone who isn't a parent). So I think you can raise it but only when you're on solid ground, as in he will see when he's doing it, and possibly a better example would be when he 's harsh with the younger child.

I would have to do it if it were me, but wait til it happens next and try and be subtle, not when kids could overhear of course.

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 21/04/2026 09:21

ThatFairy · 19/04/2026 19:32

He shouts at the kids for not wanting to hug or kiss ? That's messed up. I think your brother has emotional problems. Sometimes depression can translate into being snappy with children. I would take that angle if you raise it, that you are concerned about his mental health

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This. Is he depressed?

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 21/04/2026 09:22

Xmasallergies · 21/04/2026 08:55

Trust your instincts. It’s not normal to shout at children until they cry.

Second. That’s emotional abuse if it happens regularly.

croydon15 · 21/04/2026 09:25

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 20/04/2026 23:35

You're missing the point.
Parenting is relentless.
Trying to get children to behave is such hard work.
You haven't got children so you don't understand this.

I totally disagree, OP understands that it totally unreasonable to treat little children in that manner, even her own husband was upset, it's abusive and will be damaging to the children. The children are not badly behaved but their parents expectations are unrealistic from such small children.

childlessbutconcerned · 21/04/2026 09:25

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 21/04/2026 09:21

This. Is he depressed?

I suspect he might be. He gave up a job he adored when his (then) girlfriend got pregnant. He did the right thing and settled down and provides for his children but it’s clearly not what he ever imagined for his life.

OP posts:
OCDmama · 21/04/2026 09:26

childlessbutconcerned · 19/04/2026 19:33

This has been going on for a number of years, everyone in the family has made it clear to them that we don’t think it’s rude - but it happens every time. There was another, very upsetting incident, where we’d had a big family dinner and the kids didn’t do what the parents wanted. They got home and made their crying children send apology videos to each family member, basically along the lines of “I’m very sorry, I’m a naughty boy and I do love you”, which was just way too far imo.

Okay that's way too much. Those videos are absolutely not okay. Making children cry that much or call themselves naughty doesn't teach them anything - if they've gotten home and done it it's some time after the incident and they won't remember or understand.

If they're under 5 the best way of managing behaviour is empathy, persuasion and redirection. I say as a mum of 3 under 6.

nochance17 · 21/04/2026 09:33

It sounds like emotional abuse and is likely to have a lasting effect on the children if they are constantly made to cry and feel they have done something wrong when it’s not that big of a deal. I think making them send videos apologising is concerning , they are only under 5. It’s no wonder they don’t want to leave your house. I wonder what their life is like at home. Does your brother have a drink problem or are there problems in his marriage which they take out on the kids? If the kids are constantly scapegoated like this they will have low self confidence and self esteem issues as they grow up. I would definitely speak to the parents and perhaps speak to NSPCC if you don’t get anywhere. Poor kids.

FlowersInPots · 21/04/2026 09:40

Not really an answer to your question but maybe a suggestion, can you take charge of some situations so he doesn’t need to be involved?
So when the dc don’t want to give cuddles when leaving, loudly respond ‘that’s fine. High five?’ And if they say no just say ‘ok but I’m going to blow you a kiss’ but do it as you’re moving them out the door/to the car so by the time it’s done they’re ready to leave?
Same as the shoe thing, or leaving. Tell them it’s time to go but you’re already looking forward to next time etc. that way it’s not ‘fun auntie wants us to stay and fun killing parents are making us leave’ it’s ’all The adults are saying it’s time to go.’
Sounds little but made a big difference here when my nieces and nephews were young, and helps massively now I have a 4yo.

WRT your brother, he sounds ineffective. Children are hard, especially when they’re refusing to listen for no real reason so I would probably talk about that with him but be careful not to push too much if you think he’ll stop your relationship with him and the dc.

CautiousLurker2 · 21/04/2026 09:53

childlessbutconcerned · 19/04/2026 19:14

I just feel they have very, very high expectations of their children. For example, not wanting to leave our house results in an argument that ends up with the child in tears. Or not wanting to put their shoes on, just carry them out to the car. It just all seems like they expect them to never act out, but children do act out.

You are dealing with a man who sounds as though he is struggling/stressed/angry. It may be worth checking everything is okay - just a do you fancy a drink or a curry one night to get a break from the kids, and when there as how its going - kids, work, etc.

A lot of the things you describe, however, may be avoidable if you all work together.

If the adults just arrive or get up abruptly during a visit and say ‘time to leave now’, it is a recipe for disaster. Much better to say, ‘Mummy/Daddy will be taking you home in half an hour, so let’s just finish this programme now and then we’ll get ready for them’ and then ‘it will be home time in ten minutes, so shall we start putting our shoes on now’. ‘When Paw Patrol finishes, it’s time to wash hands and put our shoes and coats on.’ Etc

And if hugs are not forthcoming - stop asking for them at the outset. It may be that they don’t hug much at home, so it is unnatural. They can offer hugs on their own terms, rather than be coerced and/or shouted at when they don’t comply.

You can facilitate this if you know what time they are being picked up. You model the ‘count down to departure’ method. Remind them at this stage that the road outside is very busy and that they must walk to the car with daddy safely [we used to say ‘as we’d hate for them to get squished by a car’, so it was lighthearted].

throwawayimplantchat · 21/04/2026 10:04

Making them record apology videos while they cry and call themselves negative names like naughty is horrific. Out and out abuse in my opinion. Poor little things 😔

NoisyMonster678 · 21/04/2026 10:06

Young children should be given the ability to say no to hugs, if they don't want to.

He's ruining their childhoods, he needs to sort his attitude out because even if you don't report him, someone will.

Little kids should not be forced to hug or kiss anyone.

I know you are family and your intentions are good but your brother is going to leave his kids emotionally scarred, if he continues to be vicious with them as they are still so young.

These kids are experiencing anger rather than love or kindness and what you described in your post sounds horrendous.

I definatly recommend you call to childrens services asap, even before speaking to him.

What if he was to retaliate on the kids? They are in the most precarious situation right now this is why I suggest you call childrens services first.

Purplebunnie · 21/04/2026 10:13

On the saying goodbye DGC has the option of High 5, wave or a hug. She is given the option every time, it's her body, her choice. Sometimes I don't get anything sometimes she automatically runs and gives me a hug and a kiss. Body autonomy is a must. Can you give them these options and overrule your "B"

I absolutely would shout if my DGC ran into the road

And sometimes she tells me she loves me, without prompting, bless her.

BauhausOfEliott · 21/04/2026 10:21

childlessbutconcerned · 19/04/2026 19:14

I just feel they have very, very high expectations of their children. For example, not wanting to leave our house results in an argument that ends up with the child in tears. Or not wanting to put their shoes on, just carry them out to the car. It just all seems like they expect them to never act out, but children do act out.

The examples you've given are perfectly acceptable ways of parenting. I wouldn't just carry a child to the car if they didn't put their shoes on. I'd make them put their shoes on because that is how they learn they can't just have everything their own way and be carried all the time.

Of course kids 'act out' sometimes. And when they do, it's appropriate to make it clear to them that there are consequences for behaving like that and that tantrums will not get them their own way.

Yelling and screaming at kids isn't good, obviously, and if your brother really is that volatile with them, that's a concern. But just being a stricter parent than you would be is a different matter.

MedlarJelly · 21/04/2026 10:32

You'll get a range of responses. For some posters the below is completely normal in their household, so they don't see the problem. It's emotional abuse though.

he has a very nasty angry streak

he gets incredibly angry with his children.

they wouldn’t hug me goodbye...he shouted at them to the point the child was sobbing and I had to just put them in the car and walk away because it was too upsetting

The youngest ran into the road when it was time to go home. He shouted at them, again to the point even my husband was scared.

This seems to be happening more frequently and it’s always over things children just do - not wanting to go home, not wanting to give a hug or a kiss, being generally a little bit annoying. But it’s getting to the point that I’m starting to get concerned for everyone’s safety.

ItsOkItsDarkChocolate · 21/04/2026 10:51

@childlessbutconcerned

Goodness, OP, i think you’re right to be concerned. Obviously, you are there, you know the vibe. Sure, a sense of urgency from a near miss shouting is one thing, but you’re seeing the bigger picture, what is also missing matters too.

They (the parents) are clearly unhappy, and the poor kids are getting the brunt.

Apology videos to the whole family?! 😳

Can you get some advice from SPOC on what to do. How best to handle your concerns?

These are sadly going to be future patients I’ll likely see in my therapy work…. 😕

Good luck!

ItsOkItsDarkChocolate · 21/04/2026 10:52

MedlarJelly · 21/04/2026 10:32

You'll get a range of responses. For some posters the below is completely normal in their household, so they don't see the problem. It's emotional abuse though.

he has a very nasty angry streak

he gets incredibly angry with his children.

they wouldn’t hug me goodbye...he shouted at them to the point the child was sobbing and I had to just put them in the car and walk away because it was too upsetting

The youngest ran into the road when it was time to go home. He shouted at them, again to the point even my husband was scared.

This seems to be happening more frequently and it’s always over things children just do - not wanting to go home, not wanting to give a hug or a kiss, being generally a little bit annoying. But it’s getting to the point that I’m starting to get concerned for everyone’s safety.

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This.

BertieBotts · 21/04/2026 12:45

Hallamule · 21/04/2026 06:58

It's not ideal. But if the kids were really scared of him they'd likely behave better. And running into the road is definitely something worth shouting about.

By all means ask your brother if all is well but you do seem very judgemental.

I do not think this is true at all. Fear is not an effective tool for improved behaviour according to behavioural research. Punishment on its own is shown not to improve behaviour, you have to have other aspects such as clarity, consistency, and some positive aspects like good modelling from the parents or encouragement of the positive behaviour (rewards, praise, attention, whatever). It can have an effect when paired with at least some of these aspects, but the severity of the punishment makes no difference, ie being shouted at/hit is no more effective than e.g. receiving a small sanction such as losing a point on a chart.

What you will often get if you invoke credible threat (e.g., threatening a child with physical punishment or something else they are genuinely scared of and believe you will do), and what is often mistaken for the idea that fear or harsh punishment "works", is compliance with demands and expectations in the moment, but not generally better behaviour overall, and it's not even especially clear that this shouting OP describes is being used in that way, which might mean that it is not even effective as a punishment because it's not clearly linked to the behaviour (and I don't mean that all punishments need to be related as is the current fashion - but for example if you place a child in time out and tell them this is for not putting on shoes when told, or even - I wouldn't do it, and the research is out of date, but if you smack a child and tell them that is for running in the road.) Just shouting and ranting, even if the content of the shouting contains the reason, is unlikely to register very much because it will push a child into more of a fight/flight/fawn response and they don't have as much access to the language/learning centres of the brain at that point, so they are probably registering more their own fear and upset rather than whatever it was they were doing before which triggered the outburst. So it is unlikely to pre-emptively change their behaviour in the future, which might be why OP remembers the "not hugging goodbye" issue seeming to be a repeated scene.

In addition there is some evidence that parents who use very impulsive, emotion based strategies to discipline such as angrily shouting may have poor impulse control and emotional regulation, tendencies which can be inherited, so children with these tendencies might also be less able to self-regulate their own behaviour particularly when their main adult role model is failing to do so.

Another thing which can happen is that if the children begin to associate the angry parental shouting with a certain task or part of their routine, it can introduce more generalised anxiety around the entire routine which can worsen in turn the children's behaviour (because anxious children have less impulse control/emotional regulation). So it could be that the children even start to play up more around the time of leaving because they anticipate that leaving tends to lead to a point where their dad is shouting and scary. And dad has these memories of it being stressful and embarrassing so he is also on edge for the children to start playing up and is perhaps quicker to jump in and have a go at them. It's a really destructive self-feeding cycle.

Actually, OP, if you think he might be receptive and you don't want to refer it to any authority just yet, you could possibly send him a copy of the book 123 Magic, saying that you keep hearing friends mention it and absolutely raving about how helpful it was, or something like that, saying something noncommittal like "I don't know if it's any good but it sounded like something which was worth a try if you wanted to". It's a good book when parents are being too harsh, because it's simple to follow and it explains why things like shouting don't really work and tend to lead to more of the same behaviour rather than less, and it gives you a concrete thing to replace it with which generally does tend to work, and it has been used in programs in the US where abusive parents are court ordered to do a course before they are allowed to have contact with their children (something I'm not sure I agree with, but anyway).

It's not as "fluffy" as a lot of books with a more positive or gentle parenting type lean, so it tends to appeal more to parents who would be put off by those things, and TBH it's not my favourite book because I think it leans too heavily on punishment and compliance, personally. But a calm time out, which is what the book advocates for, backed up with loss of privileges if the child doesn't comply with the time out, is much better than being shouted at all the time. Even people who disagree with the concept of time out tend to agree that it's better than shouting.

If they did change to following something like that I expect it would reduce the stress levels in the home hugely so they would probably have more energy and emotional space for more positive/fun connection stuff with the DC. Two under 5 are stressful ages and it's probably much worse if you only have ineffective and escalating strategies to try and manage their behaviour.

BridgetJonesV2 · 21/04/2026 12:53

Can you get your parents on board too? Have a sort of family intervention that you're all concerned about his anger and how it may be affecting the kids?

User086758 · 21/04/2026 13:15

throwawayimplantchat · 21/04/2026 10:04

Making them record apology videos while they cry and call themselves negative names like naughty is horrific. Out and out abuse in my opinion. Poor little things 😔

Yes that sounds utterly batshit crazy. I suspect the parents are authoritarian types who need to appear perfect from the outside at all costs. This means forcing their children to interact with people exactly the way they want and being rude or refusing to kiss goodbye is worthy of severe punishment. They never take their children's needs into account but only push their own agenda.

To raise another point, if your brother has a nasty, angry streak, are you sure he isn't using it on his wife as well? It sounds like an unhappy, potentially abusive family and men who get explosively angry rarely target only the children. It would also explain why she bends over backwards to make sure the children are behaving so it doesn't set him off. Since you're his family, she would never dare raise the issue that she might be suffering from DV.

childlessbutconcerned · 21/04/2026 13:27

User086758 · 21/04/2026 13:15

Yes that sounds utterly batshit crazy. I suspect the parents are authoritarian types who need to appear perfect from the outside at all costs. This means forcing their children to interact with people exactly the way they want and being rude or refusing to kiss goodbye is worthy of severe punishment. They never take their children's needs into account but only push their own agenda.

To raise another point, if your brother has a nasty, angry streak, are you sure he isn't using it on his wife as well? It sounds like an unhappy, potentially abusive family and men who get explosively angry rarely target only the children. It would also explain why she bends over backwards to make sure the children are behaving so it doesn't set him off. Since you're his family, she would never dare raise the issue that she might be suffering from DV.

I’ve spoken to him.

Hes not abusive, just sad. He gave up a life he loved for the kids, and while he loves them, he’s watching younger family members (me and my younger siblings) enter the stage he misses most. Travelling the world and not a care in the world. They’re in a lot of debt and he’s just struggling. I’ve recommended he goes to one of our local Andy’s man’s club and his GP for mental health support.

OP posts:
Everytime · 21/04/2026 14:35

childlessbutconcerned · 21/04/2026 13:27

I’ve spoken to him.

Hes not abusive, just sad. He gave up a life he loved for the kids, and while he loves them, he’s watching younger family members (me and my younger siblings) enter the stage he misses most. Travelling the world and not a care in the world. They’re in a lot of debt and he’s just struggling. I’ve recommended he goes to one of our local Andy’s man’s club and his GP for mental health support.

He can be sad and abusive at the same time. Good suggestion for him to seek help, definitely a great step forward - hopefully you speaking up will clue him in to how damaging his behaviour is.

throwawayimplantchat · 21/04/2026 14:36

childlessbutconcerned · 21/04/2026 13:27

I’ve spoken to him.

Hes not abusive, just sad. He gave up a life he loved for the kids, and while he loves them, he’s watching younger family members (me and my younger siblings) enter the stage he misses most. Travelling the world and not a care in the world. They’re in a lot of debt and he’s just struggling. I’ve recommended he goes to one of our local Andy’s man’s club and his GP for mental health support.

Gently though, his behaviour to the kids is sometimes abusive. Forcing them to speak negatively about themselves while crying and being filmed doing so is absolutely awful. I hope he can get help. That’s a very traumatic thing for him to have put his kids through because he feels hard done by due to his own choices.

ZippyPeer · 21/04/2026 14:42

I wish my father's siblings had interceded on my behalf, it might not have changed things, but it might have. He listened to them in a way that he didn't listen to my mother.

My father got worse over time, I like to think that a reality check earlier in his parenting might have helped