To think no one can SERIOUSLY want Starmer to go now, it’s media created instability designed to damage the UK.

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trump, wars, Israel invading Lebanon, US mid terms…….

it would mental for Starmer to go and it’s a trap.

yabu - of course Starmer has to go, despite what is happening in the world right now.

yanbu - time to move on and deal with trump and the blatant manipulation of the media by Russia, right wing billionaire interests.

Yes, a lot of people on this thread who think Starmer should go do appear to be flippant about alternatives.

Nope. Not at all. But i want real change, not just sticking plasters on problems that keep repeating themselves. The conservatives are just as bad if not worse and have zero right to be on any high horse about anything.

If you keep jumping on this News Of The World type bandwagon you are going to keep this shitty political system with its career politicians who dont give a shit about us the public, just keeping themselves in a job

Media / SM and politicians using whatever really ramped up from partygate onwards. Some of those asking for stability now probably happy to see Starmer and co get in off the back of an unhappy strategist and their campaign.

Statmer’s quotes back then apply now. So he and Labour are getting the power of the media / SM and headlines. He can’t just turn it off after benefiting from it to get in.

And nothing ever changes. You get what you deserve, a race to the bottom

Why should anyone take Starmer’s self-interest or Labour’s self-interest seriously? This has nothing to do with Starmer being the best person for the job. Even his own party doesn’t believe that.

The only reason posters keep asking these questions is because they know that Starmer being booted out makes Labour look bad. It’s partisanship. It’s got nothing to do with Starmer’s (non-existent) supposed talents and strengths

You’ll all be rooting for his successor as the bestest, most able person ever for the job, whenever Starmer’s exit happens.

Labour should have thought it through before benefiting to get in.

This thread is about Starmer. Not hypothetical alternatives in other parties. That will play out in 3 years.

The general public loathe Starmer. His approval rating is -44.2%.

Labour need to think about who on their bench would be better, and get them in place with enough time to woo the public by August 2029. Labour must run against the reality of their record, not against theoretical strawmen from other parties.

Sucks to be a “grownup.”

I'm not particularly labour, but it seems to me that it's best for the country that Starmer stays for a while as I see no one clearly better, and stability is important too.

I'd like to see the emergence of an able person from any party, but while we wait, I think Starmer's doing the best job of anyone I can see.

Yes, probably, but only if we all think the answer is no one.

I definitely prefer Badenoch to Starmer.

Apparently Labour MPs have today been leaking information about Starmer like this to the press

https://www.thetimes.com/article/keir-starmer-speech-peter-mandelson-latest-news-security-vetting-scandal-h5w98sstg

It's good to have an answer from someone.

One reason I don't agree with you though is because I think things would be even worse than they are now if we were embedded in the Iran war alongside Trump.

I'm not a Labour voter but I don't want Starmer to go yet - how would yet more instability (not to mention the cost of a General Election) help the UK in the current world situation?

I don't agree with Starmer on everything but I think he's an honest broker.

It's getting to the stage that I shan't be a voter at all soon, because I am not convinced by any of the parties' current iterations. But while the world is as it is right now with crises in every direction, I think Starmer is probably the least worst option. He's done better on the international front (apart from Chagos) than expected.

I havent voted for about 20 years. I cant look at any of the politicians and support any of them. Every single one is flawed.

The basic principle of politics being a popularity contest means it is too open to corruption.

The only saving grace of the shit we are going through at present means the money tree is dissapearing and they will soon have to confront issues, not from a party point of view but from the 'fighting off bankruptcy' POV.

I want the best person in each position possible. I really dont give a hoot what party they belong too. We need to tear up the rule book

Every time "tearing up the rule book" is mentioned, I think someone is keen on Reform or the Greens. I'm certain neither of those have good solutions.

If you don’t vote you lose the right to moan about the elected politicians.

Sir Kier is beginning to align more closely with our European neighbours. Hence, the panic to try and get rid of him. Trust me.

It’s more to do with Labour wanting to survive. If the local elections are very bad for them due to Starmer they might consider him going.

I agree with this view.

It’s not. He’ll only go if Labour MPs think they’re more likely to win the next GE with someone else.

Read my posts again. Who in particular have i moaned about? I have moaned about the process. I have moaned about the corruption. I have moaned about the sleeze.

I dont like any of the politicians which i why i dont vote. I dont like the system which is why i dont vote. Any vote i would give would end up being a tactical vote and i absolutely 100% disagree with doing that.

If Badenoch had been the PM we'd have been dragged into Trump's stupid war.

I think that's one of the few things he actually did well.

Though he could perhaps have been even clearer from start.

Badenoch or Farage we'd be up to our necks in it and US wouldn't thank us.

Maybe, maybe not.

i suppose she would have had access to more classified information if she’d been PM and she might have come to a different conclusion in that case.