Page 5 | To not believe Keir Starmer

WhatAMarvelousTune · 17/04/2026 08:59

ProudAmberTurtle · 17/04/2026 08:52

Looks like Labour ministers are briefing against Starmer now, and he might not even cling on til the local elections.

Even Ed Davey has called for him to resign - surely that's the final nail in his coffin

Even Ed Davey? Why would a politician from another party calling for the PM to resign be either surprising or the final nail in the coffin?

I agree he’ll go though. Maybe after the May elections so he’s there for all that, then leadership election over summer.

senua · 17/04/2026 08:59

Starmer has poor judgement in general and appointing a snake like Mendelson was always going to backfire but ignoring the fact that he failed the vetting process is unforgivable.
Don't forget that the appointment was entirely unnecessary. We already had an Ambassador who had a good relationship with Trump. She wasn't at the end of her term of service, hadn't done anything wrong. They chose to dump her in favour of PM.

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 17/04/2026 09:00

Preppyprepper · 16/04/2026 22:11

Who cares? He's the best man to lead the UK right now.

i'm sick of the 24 hour UK news cycle creating drama over nothing. The last thing the UK needs is another change of prime minister

Totally agree. Do we really need to change the Prime Minister now?
I think his biggest fault was relying on others to do their job properly. Who the hell does Olly Robbins thinks he is!

TooLittleTooLate2 · 17/04/2026 09:00

senua · 17/04/2026 08:59

Starmer has poor judgement in general and appointing a snake like Mendelson was always going to backfire but ignoring the fact that he failed the vetting process is unforgivable.
Don't forget that the appointment was entirely unnecessary. We already had an Ambassador who had a good relationship with Trump. She wasn't at the end of her term of service, hadn't done anything wrong. They chose to dump her in favour of PM.

Good point

RareJoker · 17/04/2026 09:01

Preppyprepper · 16/04/2026 22:11

Who cares? He's the best man to lead the UK right now.

i'm sick of the 24 hour UK news cycle creating drama over nothing. The last thing the UK needs is another change of prime minister

If you truly believe Keir Starmer is the best man to lead the UK right now, you must be mentally unwell!

GlovedhandsCecilia · 17/04/2026 09:02

TooLittleTooLate2 · 17/04/2026 08:56

Well because the government has not berm transparent we don't know for sure. This is not about the average Joe (who would not be offered any preferential treatment I am sure) but the most high profile appointment the government could make on the world stage. Surely we deserve better especially when we are all desperate for some old fashioned honesty and integrity. Labour came in on that ticket. They have let everybody down.

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If you have a criminal record and apply for a job, there is a point where that is reviewed and your suitability for the job given your record is decided. Someone can give you a job despite your history if certain conditions are met.

There are a lot of people who fall into this category and people have ruled in their favour and given them a shot. From what I hear this morning, it seems like that ability has been suspended.

TooLittleTooLate2 · 17/04/2026 09:04

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 17/04/2026 09:00

Totally agree. Do we really need to change the Prime Minister now?
I think his biggest fault was relying on others to do their job properly. Who the hell does Olly Robbins thinks he is!

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Well, now he knows he is the scapegoat for this incompetent lot. Would you be happy if Kemi or Nigel (neither of who I will be voting for by the way but this is not going to trigger a general election anyway) were caught out like this?

TooLittleTooLate2 · 17/04/2026 09:05

GlovedhandsCecilia · 17/04/2026 09:02

If you have a criminal record and apply for a job, there is a point where that is reviewed and your suitability for the job given your record is decided. Someone can give you a job despite your history if certain conditions are met.

There are a lot of people who fall into this category and people have ruled in their favour and given them a shot. From what I hear this morning, it seems like that ability has been suspended.

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Oh I see what you mean. I think that is a really unfortunate unintended consequence of this then.

EasternStandard · 17/04/2026 09:09

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 17/04/2026 09:00

Totally agree. Do we really need to change the Prime Minister now?
I think his biggest fault was relying on others to do their job properly. Who the hell does Olly Robbins thinks he is!

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I can’t believe people are buying it was Olly Robbins. Sue Gray, Morgan McSweeney, now him. Starmer will throw anyone under the bus to save his own skin.

RareJoker · 17/04/2026 09:10

Whatafustercluck · 17/04/2026 08:37

What has he lied about, objectively?

He seems to me to take ownership and apologise when necessary, listen to opinion and fact and not be afraid to change direction on that basis. This is exactly what the electorate said they wanted their politicians to do. Now he's doing it, he's accused of being spineless and lying. I don't think he's a very good politician precisely because he seems to possess more integrity than we're used to. People seem to want us to return to electing 'characters' and chancers into Number 10. Look where that got us. Give me the grey man any day, even if I don't agree with all his policies (notably SEN reforms).

So, what has he been proven to have lied about, objectively?

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He lied about receiving donations from Lord Alli
He lied about Angela Rayner
He lied about Peter Mandelson
He even lied about being in a curry house, holding a beer and claiming it was “party business” during Covid, while piously calling for Boris to be sacked over an in-house slice of birthday cake.
Phones have mysteriously been lost, sorry, “stolen”, and in the meantime Keir lies and lies and lies. And when he’s caught, he blinks and says “nothing to do with me. I didn’t know/wasn’t told/can’t remember”.
Integrity? Don’t make me laugh!
The man is the most corrupt PM we’ve ever had…and that’s saying something.

Whatafustercluck · 17/04/2026 09:17

Alltheprettyseahorses · 17/04/2026 08:46

Is this for real? Every time something goes wrong it never crossed Starmer's desk so it's someone else's fault. How many times has the Mandelson story changed? How many times has he been shown to have lied at the despatch box? Not being tribal, I don't understand why people feel the need to defend 'their' politician beyond all reason but surely at some point the penny must drop even for those pretending against all evidence that Starmer has integrity and has been competent.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/12/the-twelve-lies-of-keir-starmer/ (yeah, yeah, far right etc. Doesn't mean it's not true)

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Hmm. The key word was 'objectively'.

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Viviennemary · 17/04/2026 09:19

Greenwitchart · 17/04/2026 08:58

Exactly. The US ambassador with Trump as president is such a key role. I cannot believe for a second that a PM would not want to make sure that the right person is chosen and that all the proper checks have been conducted. So Starmer is either a fool or a liar.

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Maybe even both. But the electorate don't like being taken for fools. Will this escalate or die down. Who knows

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Swiftie1878 · 17/04/2026 09:22

edwinbear · 16/04/2026 22:03

That may be the case, but surely if you’re looking to appoint a controversial figure to such a high profile role, the first question you ask is ‘has he cleared security vetting’. Not just assume someone will let you know if there’s a problem.

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No, I don’t think that question should need to be asked. Has he been vetted? Yes. Did he pass? That information should be automatically given to a PM about to appoint someone.

Can’t stand Starmer though. If this is what gets him out, so be it. Looks like McSweeney did a good job in him.

LydiaFunnyGums · 17/04/2026 09:28

Beesandhoney123 · 16/04/2026 22:41

@Preppyprepper what? Why are you enquiring about my mental health? Are you accusing me of being mentally unwell because I find it difficult to believe Mr Starmer is unaware of the political corruption Mr Mandelson represents and that thinking Mandelson would be a great choice was possibly the most idiotic career limiting decision he could have made?

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Don’t feed the troll. Preppyprepps is clearly on one and needs to calm down.

Stnam · 17/04/2026 09:43

Preppyprepper · 16/04/2026 22:29

Who?
Bloody Russian-money taking swindler Farage?
zack 'breast hypnotist' Polanski who thinks men can be women?
another bloody Tory?

Starmer has handled the Iran war very well, and told Trump where to go. The press don't like him as he doesn't protect the interests of the rigth wing press barons.

Seriously who gives a shit about Peter Mandelson? He's gay, he wasn't even involved in any of the girl trafficking. It's all such a fuss about nothing. Are people really this stupid?

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None of those people are on the Labour front bench.

Mandelson was arrested because he passed on confidential government information to Epstein.

Tikitaka20 · 17/04/2026 09:50

Velvetandleather · 17/04/2026 06:56

maybe he’s going to go after the may elections, the issue is who will take over, there is no one the public will accept. And we are years from an election, they aren’t doing a vote of no confidence, so Labour want to keep him. For now and likely till at least after the elections as it will be so bad.

so the issue I think is Labour has no one the public will accept as a majority and the party has made such a terrible, terrible mess of it, it’s a poison chalice. From the freebies to the removal of the benefit cap, to the not drilling in the North Sea, to mandelson and the lies. It’s an utter shit show of epic proportions.

so until you see a vote of no confidence, Labour is fully intent on keeping Starmer in position.

Isn’t the removal of the benefit cap a good thing?

RareJoker · 17/04/2026 09:51

Stnam · 17/04/2026 09:43

None of those people are on the Labour front bench.

Mandelson was arrested because he passed on confidential government information to Epstein.

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This.
i don’t understand anyone trying to excuse sleaze and corruption.
And it was the Guardian that broke this story…

Tikitaka20 · 17/04/2026 09:54

GlovedhandsCecilia · 17/04/2026 09:02

If you have a criminal record and apply for a job, there is a point where that is reviewed and your suitability for the job given your record is decided. Someone can give you a job despite your history if certain conditions are met.

There are a lot of people who fall into this category and people have ruled in their favour and given them a shot. From what I hear this morning, it seems like that ability has been suspended.

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What’s your post referring to? As far as I know, Peter Mandelson doesn’t have a criminal record, and neither do any other recent serving politicians/high profile people linked with this or recent governments.

Bertiebiscuit · 17/04/2026 09:56

Viviennemary · 16/04/2026 20:10

I'm sick of Keir Starmer's dodging over Peter Mandelson. He said he wasn't aware PM hadn't passed security vetting. He's been asked again and again about this. The knives are definitely out for him and I would be glad to see the back of him.

How anyone can believe anything he says when he claimed that men can have uteruses? He is an accomplished liar who will say whatever he thinks will keep him in power.

GlovedhandsCecilia · 17/04/2026 09:56

Tikitaka20 · 17/04/2026 09:54

What’s your post referring to? As far as I know, Peter Mandelson doesn’t have a criminal record, and neither do any other recent serving politicians/high profile people linked with this or recent governments.

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It's a similar vetting system, if not the same.

Tikitaka20 · 17/04/2026 09:57

Viviennemary · 17/04/2026 09:19

Maybe even both. But the electorate don't like being taken for fools. Will this escalate or die down. Who knows

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I think this will escalate because the papers are up in arms about this and want KS to go.

Bad losses in next month’s elections - which are inevitable are Labour - give the Labour Party an excuse to chuck KS and appoint a new leader to try and limit the damage and start afresh.

It’s a real shame - I was really hoping KS might be good for the country when he got into power.

ProudAmberTurtle · 17/04/2026 09:58

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 17/04/2026 09:00

Totally agree. Do we really need to change the Prime Minister now?
I think his biggest fault was relying on others to do their job properly. Who the hell does Olly Robbins thinks he is!

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I find it as plausible that a civil servant just decided to lie to the PM about the vetting process, knowing this unnecessarily would result in him being sacked and the PM being ousted if it was found out, which was highly likely, as the story that Morgan Mcsweeney's phone that had all the messages on it was stolen.

We're very obviously being lied to.

Tikitaka20 · 17/04/2026 09:59

ProudAmberTurtle · 17/04/2026 09:58

I find it as plausible that a civil servant just decided to lie to the PM about the vetting process, knowing this unnecessarily would result in him being sacked and the PM being ousted if it was found out, which was highly likely, as the story that Morgan Mcsweeney's phone that had all the messages on it was stolen.

We're very obviously being lied to.

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Are you serious?? This would never ever happen. A civil servant cannot and would never lie to a politician they’re serving. It just would never happen.

Tikitaka20 · 17/04/2026 09:59

GlovedhandsCecilia · 17/04/2026 09:56

It's a similar vetting system, if not the same.

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Sorry, what do you mean? What’s a similar vetting system?

ProudAmberTurtle · 17/04/2026 10:01

Tikitaka20 · 17/04/2026 09:59

Are you serious?? This would never ever happen. A civil servant cannot and would never lie to a politician they’re serving. It just would never happen.

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Why would a civil servant risk so much just to ensure that a paedophile's best mate became the US ambassador?