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Stop being grabby and entitled and using false arguments to try to turn your mother into your servants

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Youlittlenightmare · 15/04/2026 02:58

Posting in AIBU for traction, not because I think I'm wrong - I know I'm right in fact :) But this is where many of the grabby, problematic mumsnetters turn up to have a whinge and make false arguments. So this is for all of you.

And let’s be clear, if you're a grandmother who genuinely loves caring for your grandchildren, good for you. This thread is not for or about you. If your own mother happily provides childcare and truly enjoys it, lovely. This thread is not or or about you either.

This is about dismantling a stubborn and deeply illogical belief that if a grandmother declines the burden of childcare, she somehow forfeits the right to see her grandchildren.

No one is owed childcare from their mother. End.

It does not matter whether she had help when raising you, other people’s sacrifices are not items on a balance sheet for you to cash in later. Older women are not public utilities, nor are their remaining years a communal resource to be allocated by their adult children. They are human beings with dignity, autonomy, and the absolute right to say no for any reason whatsoever.

They have already done the work. They raised their children. Their duty is complete.

But what is especially irritating is how often two completely separate things are deliberately conflated with the dreary refrain of “Well then she can’t expect visits from the grandchildren.”

This is a logical failure.

Childcare is work. It is labour intensive, draining, time consuming, and often physically demanding.

A family visit is not work. Bringing your children to see their grandmother, spending time together, sharing conversation and affection, that is family life. It is a relationship, not a work shift.

To collapse those into the same category is a false equivalence.

If you dislike your mother so much that visiting her feels like a burden, like work, then of course you definitely do NOT want her to shoulder the burden of your job of parenting. That would be quite mad, imagine wanting your children under the care of a woman you would prefer never to spend time with.

If seeing her is a chore and you consider it a job then asking her to work for you (generally for free) is absurd.

If she wants to see you more often than you can manage that is QUITE another matter, just see her when you can, like normal people do.

But if you love your mother, you will want to see her because she is family, because you enjoy her company, because relationships exist for their own sake.

That bond is not, and should never be, contingent on whether she performs even more physical labour after decades of already doing exactly that.

These are the three coherent possibilities - you visit your mother with the children because you love her and enjoy being together. Otherwise known as normal family life.

The second possiblity is that you do not want a relationship with your mother, in which case you would neither visit nor expect free labour from her.

The third possiblitiy is that your mother freely chooses to provide childcare, which is her decision alone and not something anyone is entitled to demand nor contingent upon anything else.

What is not logically defensible is weaponising access to grandchildren as punishment because she refused unpaid work. That's coercion dressed up badly in sentiment.

It's not complicated - family connection and visits are a relationship. Childcare is labour. These two concepts are not interchangeable, and one should never be made conditional on the other or compared to the other.

And finally those of you who claim the relationship with her grandchildren will be stronger if an exhausted older women is forced to do your job of parenting - maybe. Maybe not. Nobody has the slightest idea of how kids will feel about their grandparents or parents as they grow up and a lot of grandmothers would gladly relinquish a "closer" relationship with their grandchildren if it meant they could put their exhausted feet up after a lifetime of labour, or go out when they want as they want doing what they want, without first running it past their dictator daughters.

So, all of you who keep trying to confuse what is actually a very simple concept with this nonsense - just stop now.

If you are demanding child care from your mother and trying to couch it in any way as anything she "should" do because "reasons", trying to conflate famly visit with her doing unpaid work that she did for decades already - you're an awful person, and are perpetuating the misogyny of treating women like commodities to be shared.

Stop throwing a tantrum, get on with parenting your own kids and visit your mother, or don't. For many of you, not visiting would be doing her a favour.

I am an older woman who is happy to agree to the intensive labour of free childcare a couple of times a week because I choose to. An older woman who would instantly tell you exactly where to go if you ever asserted your entitlement or attempted to tell me what I "should" do with my own precious, irreplaceable and limited time on this earth. An older woman who will decline childcare if I want to, when I want to and be treated respectfully regardless.

Signed - an older woman who is sick of your entitled bullshit. We see you.

Stop it.

OP posts:
JacquesHarlow · 16/04/2026 13:42

There is a lack of honesty on this thread from the children (current active parents who have young children) and what the grandparents in this scenario have voted for.

Say they're 65 or 70 years old.

In the mid 1980s when these "grandparents" were 26 or 31, it was Tory rule. People were voting for Thatcher in their droves, other parties couldn't get a look in.

Society has been fundamentally restructured since then, to a position where today's 'children' are adults in their 40s who are both working, to try and service a mortgage on vastly inflated house prices where the seeds were sown by....guess who.... the grandparents who voted to move us from an income economy to an asset economy.

So it makes me laugh how you have a society now where;

  • Some grandparents recognise that both parents have to work, so they add their "free" childcare into the mix to make sure their children can work even harder and maintain their position on the ladder
  • other grandparents just raise an eyebrow and say "i've done my time", and refuse to prop this house of cards up - they demand their children figure out a solution to the grandchildren childcare problem. But remember, they are often benefit from the high equity release and house price inflation that allows them to enjoy the retirement life that they feel they deserve

Neither version is right here or "correct'.

I'm just describing that the landscape we live on was determined by the voting choices of these lot.

The same people who complain bitterly about sewage in our waterways, but forget to see that privatisation was a choice, and that their clever little pension funds are built on that sewage.

The same people who complain about how young people can't get on the ladder "without help", but fail to see that the ladder was made steep by their voting choices.

Etc etc...

Focacciaisyum · 16/04/2026 13:48

JacquesHarlow · 16/04/2026 13:42

There is a lack of honesty on this thread from the children (current active parents who have young children) and what the grandparents in this scenario have voted for.

Say they're 65 or 70 years old.

In the mid 1980s when these "grandparents" were 26 or 31, it was Tory rule. People were voting for Thatcher in their droves, other parties couldn't get a look in.

Society has been fundamentally restructured since then, to a position where today's 'children' are adults in their 40s who are both working, to try and service a mortgage on vastly inflated house prices where the seeds were sown by....guess who.... the grandparents who voted to move us from an income economy to an asset economy.

So it makes me laugh how you have a society now where;

  • Some grandparents recognise that both parents have to work, so they add their "free" childcare into the mix to make sure their children can work even harder and maintain their position on the ladder
  • other grandparents just raise an eyebrow and say "i've done my time", and refuse to prop this house of cards up - they demand their children figure out a solution to the grandchildren childcare problem. But remember, they are often benefit from the high equity release and house price inflation that allows them to enjoy the retirement life that they feel they deserve

Neither version is right here or "correct'.

I'm just describing that the landscape we live on was determined by the voting choices of these lot.

The same people who complain bitterly about sewage in our waterways, but forget to see that privatisation was a choice, and that their clever little pension funds are built on that sewage.

The same people who complain about how young people can't get on the ladder "without help", but fail to see that the ladder was made steep by their voting choices.

Etc etc...

The housing ladder is still being kept steep by their NIMBYISM now. But they are the entitled generation. Won't help.out with childcare but then accuse their adult kids or 'transactional' relationships if they then dont want to help out their elderly parents when they need it

JacquesHarlow · 16/04/2026 13:54

Focacciaisyum · 16/04/2026 13:48

The housing ladder is still being kept steep by their NIMBYISM now. But they are the entitled generation. Won't help.out with childcare but then accuse their adult kids or 'transactional' relationships if they then dont want to help out their elderly parents when they need it

Thank you for this reply @Focacciaisyum

I genuinely wasn't judging their approaches either way, but I am keen to point out how they have been the beneficiaries of a system they voted for , and now can't navigate correctly in terms of what's happened.

  • Their kids are now climbing steeper hills to get housing
  • Most parents in a partnership need both to work to meet the income multiples required for housing
  • This then puts pressure on childcare (who is going to cover the hours between 15:00 and 1800 etc)

So I'm just outlining how we got here structurally.

I'm not saying it's right that younger adults are demanding childcare from parents. I actually agree with the @Youlittlenightmare original post.

I'm just also saying that you can't examine the emotions of the OP, without also examining the society that got us here.

We love to zero in on how one party feels, without working out why we're all standing on this ground together.

Everanewbie · 16/04/2026 14:01

JacquesHarlow · 16/04/2026 13:54

Thank you for this reply @Focacciaisyum

I genuinely wasn't judging their approaches either way, but I am keen to point out how they have been the beneficiaries of a system they voted for , and now can't navigate correctly in terms of what's happened.

  • Their kids are now climbing steeper hills to get housing
  • Most parents in a partnership need both to work to meet the income multiples required for housing
  • This then puts pressure on childcare (who is going to cover the hours between 15:00 and 1800 etc)

So I'm just outlining how we got here structurally.

I'm not saying it's right that younger adults are demanding childcare from parents. I actually agree with the @Youlittlenightmare original post.

I'm just also saying that you can't examine the emotions of the OP, without also examining the society that got us here.

We love to zero in on how one party feels, without working out why we're all standing on this ground together.

Such a great post. This should be read by over 60s up and down the land.

Theunamedcat · 16/04/2026 14:14

woodenblox · 16/04/2026 09:41

For me, the saddest thing about this thread is how many women here seem to hate their adult daughters. Calling them entitled dictators etc. Weren’t they your precious baby girls once? Is there really no love left?

Honestly i dont think i was either of my parents precious baby girl they should have stuck to one child (my sister) and just not had me my mother loved my sister and my daughter she treats them the same cannot do anything wrong i had the audacity to have sons as well as my daughter my mom went insane told me I should abort my son at 20 weeks because he was a boy refused a relationship with him because he was male

My dad wasn't the greatest but he pulled himself together apologised and changed this is why I cared for him until he passed

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 14:22

fortysumfing · 16/04/2026 13:23

That sounds like a lovely culture to belong to.

No offence, but they probably would expel you.

fortysumfing · 16/04/2026 14:32

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 14:22

No offence, but they probably would expel you.

Saying no offence doesn’t cancel out offending.

Whosthetabbynow · 16/04/2026 14:32

I’m glad you’re not in my family OP. We are a little unusual in that my son and his partner like to do their own parenting. I know!!! Bizarre. They both work full time btw DIL from home. No one is held to ransom, blackmailed or forbidden to see the child. It’s a calm family unit

Butchyrestingface · 16/04/2026 14:56

Cripes! What happened such that OP's last 4 posts were deleted?? Shock

MyLuckyHelper · 16/04/2026 15:06

Butchyrestingface · 16/04/2026 14:56

Cripes! What happened such that OP's last 4 posts were deleted?? Shock

Perhaps they’d found evidence of family voting on her likes and have suspended them pending investigation 😂

fortysumfing · 16/04/2026 15:59

MyLuckyHelper · 16/04/2026 15:06

Perhaps they’d found evidence of family voting on her likes and have suspended them pending investigation 😂

I highly doubt her family like her, esp. her DD and DIL 😂

Ricecakes101 · 16/04/2026 16:46

I'm guessing the op has been completely rejected by her daughter and that poor daughter is in therapy somewhere trying to recover from being parented by a narcissist.

Thechaseison71 · 16/04/2026 16:51

JacquesHarlow · 16/04/2026 13:42

There is a lack of honesty on this thread from the children (current active parents who have young children) and what the grandparents in this scenario have voted for.

Say they're 65 or 70 years old.

In the mid 1980s when these "grandparents" were 26 or 31, it was Tory rule. People were voting for Thatcher in their droves, other parties couldn't get a look in.

Society has been fundamentally restructured since then, to a position where today's 'children' are adults in their 40s who are both working, to try and service a mortgage on vastly inflated house prices where the seeds were sown by....guess who.... the grandparents who voted to move us from an income economy to an asset economy.

So it makes me laugh how you have a society now where;

  • Some grandparents recognise that both parents have to work, so they add their "free" childcare into the mix to make sure their children can work even harder and maintain their position on the ladder
  • other grandparents just raise an eyebrow and say "i've done my time", and refuse to prop this house of cards up - they demand their children figure out a solution to the grandchildren childcare problem. But remember, they are often benefit from the high equity release and house price inflation that allows them to enjoy the retirement life that they feel they deserve

Neither version is right here or "correct'.

I'm just describing that the landscape we live on was determined by the voting choices of these lot.

The same people who complain bitterly about sewage in our waterways, but forget to see that privatisation was a choice, and that their clever little pension funds are built on that sewage.

The same people who complain about how young people can't get on the ladder "without help", but fail to see that the ladder was made steep by their voting choices.

Etc etc...

And what about all us mid 50s grandparents who are working full time? I was a young teenager in the mid 80s so possibly couldn't have chosen or done all these things

And my parents both worked full time. That's not new

Hallamule · 16/04/2026 16:51

Ricecakes101 · 16/04/2026 16:46

I'm guessing the op has been completely rejected by her daughter and that poor daughter is in therapy somewhere trying to recover from being parented by a narcissist.

Of course. Any woman who asserts her right not to do childcare is definitely a narcissist and must be shunned.

BlackRowan · 16/04/2026 17:35

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 13:38

Women are celebrating another woman being shut down. I have no idea why but it says more about them than her. I think her rant was a feminist one but people on here take things so personally that they can’t just agree to disagree, they clype.

Not saying I’ve never did it but the amount of personal insults on this thread towards the OP was pretty overwhelming.

Good on her for not reporting the bullies.

No it’s not a feminist rant. It’s a rant which is full of hatred towards other women. How is it feminist?
she could have expressed her views differently

ValhallaCalling · 16/04/2026 17:43

Hallamule · 16/04/2026 16:51

Of course. Any woman who asserts her right not to do childcare is definitely a narcissist and must be shunned.

She's definitely hostile and hates her daughter though. You can't refute that.

ValhallaCalling · 16/04/2026 17:44

Butchyrestingface · 16/04/2026 14:56

Cripes! What happened such that OP's last 4 posts were deleted?? Shock

I would imagine her hate filled rants violate the talk guidelines

UraniumFlowerpot · 16/04/2026 17:44

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 13:38

Women are celebrating another woman being shut down. I have no idea why but it says more about them than her. I think her rant was a feminist one but people on here take things so personally that they can’t just agree to disagree, they clype.

Not saying I’ve never did it but the amount of personal insults on this thread towards the OP was pretty overwhelming.

Good on her for not reporting the bullies.

Not sure it counts as feminism if the main conclusion is that other women are “dictators” who need to be put in their place! The language of the OP was also unnecessarily inflammatory throughout. A very strange thread.

wfhwfh · 16/04/2026 18:38

This may be overly simplistic but reading this thread I felt sad that it has been framed as mothers v grandmothers issue. The OP was throwing out accusations of misogyny and ageism against daughters and daughters-in-law - but what about the fathers?

Surely the first thing you would do if you were approached by a daughter-in-law about childcare you did not want to commit to would be to ask your son what responsibility he was taking for childcare and why he was not the one raising it with you?

I didnt like the OP’s tone at all but I did understand the point she was making about the societal norm that others are entitled to the unpaid labour and leisure time of women. But this is not a generational issue just faced by older women - younger childless women face this constantly too. I feel when people talk about “the village” they often subconsciously mean other women - specifically other women without young children. And this is where the misogyny lies. There should be men in the village too. And if there is one in the house who is an actual father, he needs to do his fair share.

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 18:41

BlackRowan · 16/04/2026 17:35

No it’s not a feminist rant. It’s a rant which is full of hatred towards other women. How is it feminist?
she could have expressed her views differently

There you go again. Telling women how to express themselves 🤦‍♀️

ValhallaCalling · 16/04/2026 19:56

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 18:41

There you go again. Telling women how to express themselves 🤦‍♀️

There is absolutely nothing wrong with calling out misogyny.

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 20:12

ValhallaCalling · 16/04/2026 19:56

There is absolutely nothing wrong with calling out misogyny.

That isn’t what happened though. There IS something wrong with tone policing women, shutting them down, saying they have dementia and calling them crazy.

ValhallaCalling · 16/04/2026 20:16

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 20:12

That isn’t what happened though. There IS something wrong with tone policing women, shutting them down, saying they have dementia and calling them crazy.

Telling women they can't go on misogynistic rants about grabby dictator daughters is not tone policing. It's rightly calling out misogyny.

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 20:17

ValhallaCalling · 16/04/2026 20:16

Telling women they can't go on misogynistic rants about grabby dictator daughters is not tone policing. It's rightly calling out misogyny.

No it isn’t.

fortysumfing · 16/04/2026 20:37

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 13:38

Women are celebrating another woman being shut down. I have no idea why but it says more about them than her. I think her rant was a feminist one but people on here take things so personally that they can’t just agree to disagree, they clype.

Not saying I’ve never did it but the amount of personal insults on this thread towards the OP was pretty overwhelming.

Good on her for not reporting the bullies.

OP is the bully. She’d hardly report herself!

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