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Stop being grabby and entitled and using false arguments to try to turn your mother into your servants

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Youlittlenightmare · 15/04/2026 02:58

Posting in AIBU for traction, not because I think I'm wrong - I know I'm right in fact :) But this is where many of the grabby, problematic mumsnetters turn up to have a whinge and make false arguments. So this is for all of you.

And let’s be clear, if you're a grandmother who genuinely loves caring for your grandchildren, good for you. This thread is not for or about you. If your own mother happily provides childcare and truly enjoys it, lovely. This thread is not or or about you either.

This is about dismantling a stubborn and deeply illogical belief that if a grandmother declines the burden of childcare, she somehow forfeits the right to see her grandchildren.

No one is owed childcare from their mother. End.

It does not matter whether she had help when raising you, other people’s sacrifices are not items on a balance sheet for you to cash in later. Older women are not public utilities, nor are their remaining years a communal resource to be allocated by their adult children. They are human beings with dignity, autonomy, and the absolute right to say no for any reason whatsoever.

They have already done the work. They raised their children. Their duty is complete.

But what is especially irritating is how often two completely separate things are deliberately conflated with the dreary refrain of “Well then she can’t expect visits from the grandchildren.”

This is a logical failure.

Childcare is work. It is labour intensive, draining, time consuming, and often physically demanding.

A family visit is not work. Bringing your children to see their grandmother, spending time together, sharing conversation and affection, that is family life. It is a relationship, not a work shift.

To collapse those into the same category is a false equivalence.

If you dislike your mother so much that visiting her feels like a burden, like work, then of course you definitely do NOT want her to shoulder the burden of your job of parenting. That would be quite mad, imagine wanting your children under the care of a woman you would prefer never to spend time with.

If seeing her is a chore and you consider it a job then asking her to work for you (generally for free) is absurd.

If she wants to see you more often than you can manage that is QUITE another matter, just see her when you can, like normal people do.

But if you love your mother, you will want to see her because she is family, because you enjoy her company, because relationships exist for their own sake.

That bond is not, and should never be, contingent on whether she performs even more physical labour after decades of already doing exactly that.

These are the three coherent possibilities - you visit your mother with the children because you love her and enjoy being together. Otherwise known as normal family life.

The second possiblity is that you do not want a relationship with your mother, in which case you would neither visit nor expect free labour from her.

The third possiblitiy is that your mother freely chooses to provide childcare, which is her decision alone and not something anyone is entitled to demand nor contingent upon anything else.

What is not logically defensible is weaponising access to grandchildren as punishment because she refused unpaid work. That's coercion dressed up badly in sentiment.

It's not complicated - family connection and visits are a relationship. Childcare is labour. These two concepts are not interchangeable, and one should never be made conditional on the other or compared to the other.

And finally those of you who claim the relationship with her grandchildren will be stronger if an exhausted older women is forced to do your job of parenting - maybe. Maybe not. Nobody has the slightest idea of how kids will feel about their grandparents or parents as they grow up and a lot of grandmothers would gladly relinquish a "closer" relationship with their grandchildren if it meant they could put their exhausted feet up after a lifetime of labour, or go out when they want as they want doing what they want, without first running it past their dictator daughters.

So, all of you who keep trying to confuse what is actually a very simple concept with this nonsense - just stop now.

If you are demanding child care from your mother and trying to couch it in any way as anything she "should" do because "reasons", trying to conflate famly visit with her doing unpaid work that she did for decades already - you're an awful person, and are perpetuating the misogyny of treating women like commodities to be shared.

Stop throwing a tantrum, get on with parenting your own kids and visit your mother, or don't. For many of you, not visiting would be doing her a favour.

I am an older woman who is happy to agree to the intensive labour of free childcare a couple of times a week because I choose to. An older woman who would instantly tell you exactly where to go if you ever asserted your entitlement or attempted to tell me what I "should" do with my own precious, irreplaceable and limited time on this earth. An older woman who will decline childcare if I want to, when I want to and be treated respectfully regardless.

Signed - an older woman who is sick of your entitled bullshit. We see you.

Stop it.

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BlackRowan · 16/04/2026 12:55

Valeriekat · 16/04/2026 09:38

We've already brought up our own children thankyou!

So you genuinely think that your grandchildren are some random people who are not part of your family, not your own flesh and blood? 😱

goes to show that you don’t actually love your children and just did it because everyone else was doing it, there is no love in a statement like that

BlackRowan · 16/04/2026 13:00

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You keep telling yourself that 😂
Most people do judge performative but cold hearted “grandmothers” like you

Youlittlenightmare · 16/04/2026 13:00

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Focacciaisyum · 16/04/2026 13:01

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 12:51

You do realise that it wasn’t the grandparents who chose to have the grandchildren?

Eh? What a weird response. You could equally say the parents didn't choose to be born to those same grandparents. If you dont help your kids in an emergency how can you possibly expect them to do that for you? Can you not hear how ridiculously entitled and one way that relationship is?

Focacciaisyum · 16/04/2026 13:01

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I really think this IS the crux of it.

MyOtherProfile · 16/04/2026 13:02

Op is like a tired toddler insisting they're right and don't need a nap!

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 13:02

BlackRowan · 16/04/2026 12:55

So you genuinely think that your grandchildren are some random people who are not part of your family, not your own flesh and blood? 😱

goes to show that you don’t actually love your children and just did it because everyone else was doing it, there is no love in a statement like that

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So she went through childbirth because everyone else was doing it?

I’m beginning to understand women who don’t want children now.

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 13:03

BlackRowan · 16/04/2026 13:00

You keep telling yourself that 😂
Most people do judge performative but cold hearted “grandmothers” like you

Most people actually don’t.

fortysumfing · 16/04/2026 13:03

ruethewhirl · 16/04/2026 12:16

Speak for yourself. Some of us aren’t interested in playing tit for tat or keeping a balance ledger with people we love.

Plus elderly parent care is vastly different from childcare, just in case that hadn’t occurred to you.

It’s not about keeping a balance sheet. It’s about those desperately needing help from their parents and being deeply hurt by them from being told to effectively ‘do-one’. That hurt runs deep and they may just pull away and the consequence of that may be that they are unable to bring themselves to support their elderly parent in the future.

If you’re lucky enough to not need your parents support then I’m happy for you.

I don’t either (anymore at least). My children are almost adults now. It’s actually freeing to know that I don’t owe anyone anything (I’ll support my elderly family if I’m not off living my own life now that I can). However, for me, my opinion for future childcare is - I brought my kids into the world and I’m never going to abandon them, especially when they need me most - raising their own family.

Focacciaisyum · 16/04/2026 13:03

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Nuts.

BlackRowan · 16/04/2026 13:07

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 13:02

So she went through childbirth because everyone else was doing it?

I’m beginning to understand women who don’t want children now.

Don’t play naive please. There are plenty of cold and abusive mothers out there who went through childbirth but actually never really wanted a child. And even more so back in the day where there was a lot more societal pressure to have children.

The OP probably should have stayed child free, given the level of hatred she’s displaying towards her daughter or daughters.

BlackRowan · 16/04/2026 13:07

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No one here cares about coercing you personally.
enjoy your likes and your nursing home without visits

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 13:09

Focacciaisyum · 16/04/2026 13:01

Eh? What a weird response. You could equally say the parents didn't choose to be born to those same grandparents. If you dont help your kids in an emergency how can you possibly expect them to do that for you? Can you not hear how ridiculously entitled and one way that relationship is?

You didn’t ask to be born. Agree. That you chose to have children with the expectation of your parents looking after them without running it past them first? That’s entitled.

I actually have no skin in this game. I got 2.5 days childcare from my dad and mil. However, I neither asked for it or expected it. They offered.

Plus they were relatively young.

People are working until they’re 67 now.

Different ball game.

Flipflop93 · 16/04/2026 13:10

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This is such a Donald Trump response.😆

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 13:11

BlackRowan · 16/04/2026 13:07

Don’t play naive please. There are plenty of cold and abusive mothers out there who went through childbirth but actually never really wanted a child. And even more so back in the day where there was a lot more societal pressure to have children.

The OP probably should have stayed child free, given the level of hatred she’s displaying towards her daughter or daughters.

I don’t see it as hatred.

BlackRowan · 16/04/2026 13:17

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 13:09

You didn’t ask to be born. Agree. That you chose to have children with the expectation of your parents looking after them without running it past them first? That’s entitled.

I actually have no skin in this game. I got 2.5 days childcare from my dad and mil. However, I neither asked for it or expected it. They offered.

Plus they were relatively young.

People are working until they’re 67 now.

Different ball game.

So you have children but you don’t expect that they might want to have children too? It’s a surprise?

But generally I’m from a different culture and this attitude is very British and just bizarre. In my culture grandmothers long for grandchildren and for spending as much time with them as possible, you basically have to bat them away rather than beg, grandchildren are considered a blessing and source of joy rather than nuisance

fortysumfing · 16/04/2026 13:22

OP has been silenced again. 👏 No-one wants to hear her one-sided dribble. Come on MN for a discussion not an attack on adult-daughters and daughter-in-laws needing support.

@Youlittlenightmare I’m assuming your DD or DIL has upset you in some way to cause you such anger but it isn’t right to stereotype and attack.

fortysumfing · 16/04/2026 13:23

BlackRowan · 16/04/2026 13:17

So you have children but you don’t expect that they might want to have children too? It’s a surprise?

But generally I’m from a different culture and this attitude is very British and just bizarre. In my culture grandmothers long for grandchildren and for spending as much time with them as possible, you basically have to bat them away rather than beg, grandchildren are considered a blessing and source of joy rather than nuisance

That sounds like a lovely culture to belong to.

Focacciaisyum · 16/04/2026 13:23

BlackRowan · 16/04/2026 13:17

So you have children but you don’t expect that they might want to have children too? It’s a surprise?

But generally I’m from a different culture and this attitude is very British and just bizarre. In my culture grandmothers long for grandchildren and for spending as much time with them as possible, you basically have to bat them away rather than beg, grandchildren are considered a blessing and source of joy rather than nuisance

Honestly i don't really think its a 'British' attitude. It seems to be one that a particular group of British people who have been very used to being entitled to the best of everything without having to give anything back. I plan to help.out my kids when theyre grown. Not a regular 3 day a week thing, granted. But id love to have grandkids stay over for a night every few weeks to give them a night off, help in emergencies or just babysit so they can go out. I imagine most loving parents would.

Ricecakes101 · 16/04/2026 13:24

Youlittlenightmare · 15/04/2026 02:58

Posting in AIBU for traction, not because I think I'm wrong - I know I'm right in fact :) But this is where many of the grabby, problematic mumsnetters turn up to have a whinge and make false arguments. So this is for all of you.

And let’s be clear, if you're a grandmother who genuinely loves caring for your grandchildren, good for you. This thread is not for or about you. If your own mother happily provides childcare and truly enjoys it, lovely. This thread is not or or about you either.

This is about dismantling a stubborn and deeply illogical belief that if a grandmother declines the burden of childcare, she somehow forfeits the right to see her grandchildren.

No one is owed childcare from their mother. End.

It does not matter whether she had help when raising you, other people’s sacrifices are not items on a balance sheet for you to cash in later. Older women are not public utilities, nor are their remaining years a communal resource to be allocated by their adult children. They are human beings with dignity, autonomy, and the absolute right to say no for any reason whatsoever.

They have already done the work. They raised their children. Their duty is complete.

But what is especially irritating is how often two completely separate things are deliberately conflated with the dreary refrain of “Well then she can’t expect visits from the grandchildren.”

This is a logical failure.

Childcare is work. It is labour intensive, draining, time consuming, and often physically demanding.

A family visit is not work. Bringing your children to see their grandmother, spending time together, sharing conversation and affection, that is family life. It is a relationship, not a work shift.

To collapse those into the same category is a false equivalence.

If you dislike your mother so much that visiting her feels like a burden, like work, then of course you definitely do NOT want her to shoulder the burden of your job of parenting. That would be quite mad, imagine wanting your children under the care of a woman you would prefer never to spend time with.

If seeing her is a chore and you consider it a job then asking her to work for you (generally for free) is absurd.

If she wants to see you more often than you can manage that is QUITE another matter, just see her when you can, like normal people do.

But if you love your mother, you will want to see her because she is family, because you enjoy her company, because relationships exist for their own sake.

That bond is not, and should never be, contingent on whether she performs even more physical labour after decades of already doing exactly that.

These are the three coherent possibilities - you visit your mother with the children because you love her and enjoy being together. Otherwise known as normal family life.

The second possiblity is that you do not want a relationship with your mother, in which case you would neither visit nor expect free labour from her.

The third possiblitiy is that your mother freely chooses to provide childcare, which is her decision alone and not something anyone is entitled to demand nor contingent upon anything else.

What is not logically defensible is weaponising access to grandchildren as punishment because she refused unpaid work. That's coercion dressed up badly in sentiment.

It's not complicated - family connection and visits are a relationship. Childcare is labour. These two concepts are not interchangeable, and one should never be made conditional on the other or compared to the other.

And finally those of you who claim the relationship with her grandchildren will be stronger if an exhausted older women is forced to do your job of parenting - maybe. Maybe not. Nobody has the slightest idea of how kids will feel about their grandparents or parents as they grow up and a lot of grandmothers would gladly relinquish a "closer" relationship with their grandchildren if it meant they could put their exhausted feet up after a lifetime of labour, or go out when they want as they want doing what they want, without first running it past their dictator daughters.

So, all of you who keep trying to confuse what is actually a very simple concept with this nonsense - just stop now.

If you are demanding child care from your mother and trying to couch it in any way as anything she "should" do because "reasons", trying to conflate famly visit with her doing unpaid work that she did for decades already - you're an awful person, and are perpetuating the misogyny of treating women like commodities to be shared.

Stop throwing a tantrum, get on with parenting your own kids and visit your mother, or don't. For many of you, not visiting would be doing her a favour.

I am an older woman who is happy to agree to the intensive labour of free childcare a couple of times a week because I choose to. An older woman who would instantly tell you exactly where to go if you ever asserted your entitlement or attempted to tell me what I "should" do with my own precious, irreplaceable and limited time on this earth. An older woman who will decline childcare if I want to, when I want to and be treated respectfully regardless.

Signed - an older woman who is sick of your entitled bullshit. We see you.

Stop it.

Honestly all I could think when reading that was - oh please fuck off

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 13:26

BlackRowan · 16/04/2026 13:17

So you have children but you don’t expect that they might want to have children too? It’s a surprise?

But generally I’m from a different culture and this attitude is very British and just bizarre. In my culture grandmothers long for grandchildren and for spending as much time with them as possible, you basically have to bat them away rather than beg, grandchildren are considered a blessing and source of joy rather than nuisance

I do expect them to have children, looking forward to it, I love children because they are the funniest people on the planet. The best and most hilarious years of my life were with my two. I don’t “long” for it though.

Ricecakes101 · 16/04/2026 13:26

BlackRowan · 16/04/2026 13:00

You keep telling yourself that 😂
Most people do judge performative but cold hearted “grandmothers” like you

God this is actually repugnant

Rituelec · 16/04/2026 13:32

I hope im not expected to help with childcare tbh

Smittenkitchen · 16/04/2026 13:33

I guess she's supposedly not going to read this but why is OP so angry about this when she apparently has a good set-up and relationship with her DD/GC? It seems awfully personal for her..

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 13:38

Ricecakes101 · 16/04/2026 13:26

God this is actually repugnant

Women are celebrating another woman being shut down. I have no idea why but it says more about them than her. I think her rant was a feminist one but people on here take things so personally that they can’t just agree to disagree, they clype.

Not saying I’ve never did it but the amount of personal insults on this thread towards the OP was pretty overwhelming.

Good on her for not reporting the bullies.