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Stop being grabby and entitled and using false arguments to try to turn your mother into your servants

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Youlittlenightmare · 15/04/2026 02:58

Posting in AIBU for traction, not because I think I'm wrong - I know I'm right in fact :) But this is where many of the grabby, problematic mumsnetters turn up to have a whinge and make false arguments. So this is for all of you.

And let’s be clear, if you're a grandmother who genuinely loves caring for your grandchildren, good for you. This thread is not for or about you. If your own mother happily provides childcare and truly enjoys it, lovely. This thread is not or or about you either.

This is about dismantling a stubborn and deeply illogical belief that if a grandmother declines the burden of childcare, she somehow forfeits the right to see her grandchildren.

No one is owed childcare from their mother. End.

It does not matter whether she had help when raising you, other people’s sacrifices are not items on a balance sheet for you to cash in later. Older women are not public utilities, nor are their remaining years a communal resource to be allocated by their adult children. They are human beings with dignity, autonomy, and the absolute right to say no for any reason whatsoever.

They have already done the work. They raised their children. Their duty is complete.

But what is especially irritating is how often two completely separate things are deliberately conflated with the dreary refrain of “Well then she can’t expect visits from the grandchildren.”

This is a logical failure.

Childcare is work. It is labour intensive, draining, time consuming, and often physically demanding.

A family visit is not work. Bringing your children to see their grandmother, spending time together, sharing conversation and affection, that is family life. It is a relationship, not a work shift.

To collapse those into the same category is a false equivalence.

If you dislike your mother so much that visiting her feels like a burden, like work, then of course you definitely do NOT want her to shoulder the burden of your job of parenting. That would be quite mad, imagine wanting your children under the care of a woman you would prefer never to spend time with.

If seeing her is a chore and you consider it a job then asking her to work for you (generally for free) is absurd.

If she wants to see you more often than you can manage that is QUITE another matter, just see her when you can, like normal people do.

But if you love your mother, you will want to see her because she is family, because you enjoy her company, because relationships exist for their own sake.

That bond is not, and should never be, contingent on whether she performs even more physical labour after decades of already doing exactly that.

These are the three coherent possibilities - you visit your mother with the children because you love her and enjoy being together. Otherwise known as normal family life.

The second possiblity is that you do not want a relationship with your mother, in which case you would neither visit nor expect free labour from her.

The third possiblitiy is that your mother freely chooses to provide childcare, which is her decision alone and not something anyone is entitled to demand nor contingent upon anything else.

What is not logically defensible is weaponising access to grandchildren as punishment because she refused unpaid work. That's coercion dressed up badly in sentiment.

It's not complicated - family connection and visits are a relationship. Childcare is labour. These two concepts are not interchangeable, and one should never be made conditional on the other or compared to the other.

And finally those of you who claim the relationship with her grandchildren will be stronger if an exhausted older women is forced to do your job of parenting - maybe. Maybe not. Nobody has the slightest idea of how kids will feel about their grandparents or parents as they grow up and a lot of grandmothers would gladly relinquish a "closer" relationship with their grandchildren if it meant they could put their exhausted feet up after a lifetime of labour, or go out when they want as they want doing what they want, without first running it past their dictator daughters.

So, all of you who keep trying to confuse what is actually a very simple concept with this nonsense - just stop now.

If you are demanding child care from your mother and trying to couch it in any way as anything she "should" do because "reasons", trying to conflate famly visit with her doing unpaid work that she did for decades already - you're an awful person, and are perpetuating the misogyny of treating women like commodities to be shared.

Stop throwing a tantrum, get on with parenting your own kids and visit your mother, or don't. For many of you, not visiting would be doing her a favour.

I am an older woman who is happy to agree to the intensive labour of free childcare a couple of times a week because I choose to. An older woman who would instantly tell you exactly where to go if you ever asserted your entitlement or attempted to tell me what I "should" do with my own precious, irreplaceable and limited time on this earth. An older woman who will decline childcare if I want to, when I want to and be treated respectfully regardless.

Signed - an older woman who is sick of your entitled bullshit. We see you.

Stop it.

OP posts:
MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 16/04/2026 08:42

Katypp · 16/04/2026 08:33

That seems bit of a stetch. I read it more that the OP is illustrating that many agree with her.

Well, yes, she is illustrating that many people agree with her, but why the desperate need to keep proving it?

She isn't willing to even read most of the posts on the thread, so she isn't wanting to engage in meaningful discussion. She just wants to keep telling everyone how popular her post is. Does that not come across as someone who is desperately seeking validation from others?

I was broadly in agreement with her initial post, though I felt it lacked some nuance, but her subsequent posts on the thread are making me cringe.

TiredDinosaur · 16/04/2026 08:52

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 08:16

I should really report this. Are you always this rude?

How is that rude?

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 08:56

TiredDinosaur · 16/04/2026 08:52

How is that rude?

Far too many personal attacks on the OP.

CautiousLurker2 · 16/04/2026 09:34

Katypp · 16/04/2026 08:27

I have no idea why pps seem to think that parents are obligated to look afterbtheir grandchildren because they had help from THEIR parents.
My mum looked after my son to allow us to work. We handed him over and were happy for mum to look after him however she wanted, on the basis he was the centre of her life, she loved him unconditionally, she was sensible and i had turned out ok. There were some things I was not 100% happy about (too much TV, unhealthy food etc) but she was saving me thousands so i was happy he was being looked after by someone who loved him rather than somrone who was paid to do so.
I would happily offer childcare on the same basis, but the moment i was presented with a list of dos and dont's and/or phone calls 'gently explaining' i was wrong or microanalysing something I said/did (see post about how much screen time the child had had last week) or was shown 'the latest research' to prove x, y or z, the deal would be off.

They aren’t, at least not wholly. What people are suggesting is that PPs who had help may not appreciate how hard it is for their children without the help they had; and that they also don’t understand the costs involved for using nurseries/reducing working hours when there is no help; and that they may not appreciate that as most families now NEED 2 incomes due to house prices/mortgage rates/and current cost of living, these young parents DO have it harder. I agree that puts them under no obligation whatsoever to help out, but many PPs are just saying they would like the fact that it is harder acknowledged and some compassion shown by their elderly parents - rather than the tirade of angry abuse that OP has issued. And that these older PPs will need to accept that for all the reasons is it harder to parent now, and all the reasons these older PPS claim to be unable to help, then they need to lower their own expectations of support in their very old/infirm age. Because it cuts both ways.

What is sad is that it means that the generally accepted social contract that many PPs are referencing - the fact that family tries to look after family, that older retired family members offer a little bit of help to younger members and that younger, able bodied members are there to support older ones - is broken down. This means the tax payer, social services, the benefits bill etc is ever burdened.

And it is NOT all young people ‘demanding’ help. Just a handful whose parents come on MN. Just as it’s not all people complaining of having to care for unappreciative and demanding aging parents. And of course the views here are female centric because this is a predominantly women’s forum (men are chased off pretty quickly). I know of multiple middle aged men managing their parent’s care and that of children/uni children who are struggling too - but they are not on this forum.

Valeriekat · 16/04/2026 09:38

BlackRowan · 15/04/2026 05:10

If you love your grandchildren spending time with them is precious and if you love your child helping them is also fulfilling and rewarding. It is ALL part of family life.

The bond between grandmother and grandchild will never be the same if built over just “family visits” vs time alone between child and grandmother. It’s never going to be as close.

why did you have children if you despise this work so much ? Did you not think that eventually you’ll have grandchildren?

We've already brought up our own children thankyou!

Valeriekat · 16/04/2026 09:40

Gallien · 15/04/2026 05:22

And I don't have a dog in this race, my mum has never provided childcare for me or been expected to (she would have loved it probably but her job was too busy) my granny never did for us either, it's not really a thing in my family.

I hope my sons will let me take care of my grandkids but it won't be up to me so who knows. Maybe I'll be too ill or too busy.

I still think OP comes across as a bully.

Because she is standing up for herself? Women should not be used as unpaid labour for anybody.

woodenblox · 16/04/2026 09:41

For me, the saddest thing about this thread is how many women here seem to hate their adult daughters. Calling them entitled dictators etc. Weren’t they your precious baby girls once? Is there really no love left?

ChefsKisser · 16/04/2026 10:22

woodenblox · 16/04/2026 09:41

For me, the saddest thing about this thread is how many women here seem to hate their adult daughters. Calling them entitled dictators etc. Weren’t they your precious baby girls once? Is there really no love left?

This. I have never met a woman who has demanded their mother offer free childcare and had a hissy fit. Ever. I've known friends whos childcare has fallen through and have called parents out of desperation, mums of twins for whom childcare was crippling who gratefully accepted the offering of a day a weeks care etc. Clearly given some threads there are some cheeky people but the vast vast vast majority of mums of small kids are just doing their best in a v challenging, expensive and exhausting time to have a family (and yes it's always been tiring but there is lots of evidence people are much less well off and life is more difficult at the moment).

fortysumfing · 16/04/2026 10:24

MN has quietened OP 👏 by deleting her latest posts. Someone needed to. 😀

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 10:25

fortysumfing · 16/04/2026 10:24

MN has quietened OP 👏 by deleting her latest posts. Someone needed to. 😀

You mean someone reported them.

MyLuckyHelper · 16/04/2026 10:26

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 08:16

I should really report this. Are you always this rude?

Report the response to your question, asking which insults, when all the poster has done is list the insults and speculated if the OP is having early signs of demntia? Sure, that's exactly what the report function is for.

fortysumfing · 16/04/2026 10:30

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 10:25

You mean someone reported them.

I bet many reported her. It was just a venomous rant, an attack on adult daughters needing parent support. MN listened and shut it down,🤞 it lasts.

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 10:31

fortysumfing · 16/04/2026 10:30

I bet many reported her. It was just a venomous rant, an attack on adult daughters needing parent support. MN listened and shut it down,🤞 it lasts.

Pathetic.

SandwichesAndGingerBeer · 16/04/2026 10:43

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 10:25

You mean someone reported them.

I reported them, I said so upthread. I was actually hoping the whole thread was removed. The OP set a hostile tone early on and the thread is becoming unpleasant.

OP I did agree with some of your original points but I’ve reported you for trolling now.
You’re not engaging in conversation, you’re delighted you’ve enraged people and you’ve belittled/insulted any contrary opinion as being dictator daughters.
Your behaviour here hasn’t reflected well on you.

thepariscrimefiles · 16/04/2026 10:59

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 10:31

Pathetic.

But you threatened to report @DontOpenTheFourthDrawer. Does that mean that you're pathetic too?

mbosnz · 16/04/2026 11:04

I do know anecdotally, of a woman, who when pregnant, sat her mother down to sort out what slots of childcare she would be signing up for, and making it very clear that access to the grandchildren would be dependent on doing so.

That is not okay, in my opinion.

Thisisit26 · 16/04/2026 11:05

BelBridge · 15/04/2026 09:23

You are also coming to this thread with a lot of your own baggage.

Such a horrible response. I don’t think it’s “baggage” just this posters lived experience. Fair play to her on raising her dcs alone and as a mum of much older children still young myself you will reap the rewards @ProjectHailMary . My own family were exactly like yours. It was a principal thing for them -“we don’t do help “.
I had to get , actually pay a neighbour when I went into labour , 3 small dcs with me in a+e (husband is fantastic but was away with work ), dentists etc etc , nothing induced them to help whatsoever. That’s absolutely their choice of course , our kids our responsibility. I’d help and have a stranger in similar circumstances, they didn’t and now it’s too late anyway.
Now my children are older , there are still plenty of challenges but we do get time , sleep and we are starting to get our lives back and have wonderful close relationship with our children that I never had when small. You will too @ProjectHailMary

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 11:07

thepariscrimefiles · 16/04/2026 10:59

But you threatened to report @DontOpenTheFourthDrawer. Does that mean that you're pathetic too?

No, I didn’t. I said I “should” report it.

BelBridge · 16/04/2026 11:13

Thisisit26 · 16/04/2026 11:05

Such a horrible response. I don’t think it’s “baggage” just this posters lived experience. Fair play to her on raising her dcs alone and as a mum of much older children still young myself you will reap the rewards @ProjectHailMary . My own family were exactly like yours. It was a principal thing for them -“we don’t do help “.
I had to get , actually pay a neighbour when I went into labour , 3 small dcs with me in a+e (husband is fantastic but was away with work ), dentists etc etc , nothing induced them to help whatsoever. That’s absolutely their choice of course , our kids our responsibility. I’d help and have a stranger in similar circumstances, they didn’t and now it’s too late anyway.
Now my children are older , there are still plenty of challenges but we do get time , sleep and we are starting to get our lives back and have wonderful close relationship with our children that I never had when small. You will too @ProjectHailMary

It’s not a horrible response, it’s an accurate response, as your own post demonstrates.

asrl78 · 16/04/2026 11:14

PollyBell · 15/04/2026 03:04

Women's only use is chilcare and caring for others is the daily message we see and this is what parentys should be teaching their daughters it seems BUT people also need to say no

and if anyone wants to say to their mother (yes it rare to see fathers/grandfathers mentioned) ''if you dont provide me with free childcare I wont help you when you are old'' sure say it show how you are, if you cant handle the children you have stop having them

a village should also be mutual

But again people need to learn the word no

Edited

"if you cant handle the children you have stop having them"

A bit too strong although I somewhat agree with the sentiment. If we lived like that, the UK's economy would collapse due to an inadequate number of working age people to pay taxes to support the elderly/infirm, because only a relatively small number of people would be able to have children. The UK's birth rate is already below replacement levels and the demographic issue is starting to make its presence felt and as we have seen, any government trying to take benefits away from pensioners will get severely punished by the electorate for it.

The fact is, this isn't the 1970's/80's anymore, the cost of living, especially housing in the UK is so high that one income is insufficient for many people, it requires both parents to bring in money, and one artifact of the cost of living is that childcare is also very expensive. My mother gave up work and brought me up whilst my father brought a wage home but that isn't possible nowadays unless one parent has close to a six figure salary or higher.

fortysumfing · 16/04/2026 11:43

I would advise the parents who are not interested in supporting their adult children with childcare, because they now have their own lives to live, just to be careful as support goes both ways.

You reap what you sow.

Katypp · 16/04/2026 12:12

On MN, there are regular threads bemoaning grandparents who don't do everything they are told when they are allowed to save the patents money, who have the audacity to want to see grandchildren when it suits them (as the only people allowed to be busy are the parents).
We have parents outraged at grandparents having boundaries, the very thing young parents are constantly told to have around their parents.
We have parents who present lists of rules as if the grandparents are completely clueless and are outraged when they are not followed to the letter.
We have grandparents who are not allowed to see grandchildren for weeks (those boundaries again) yet are later castigated for not having a relstionship with their GCs (all on the parents terms of course).
You can love your children without being a complete doormat

ruethewhirl · 16/04/2026 12:16

fortysumfing · 16/04/2026 11:43

I would advise the parents who are not interested in supporting their adult children with childcare, because they now have their own lives to live, just to be careful as support goes both ways.

You reap what you sow.

Speak for yourself. Some of us aren’t interested in playing tit for tat or keeping a balance ledger with people we love.

Plus elderly parent care is vastly different from childcare, just in case that hadn’t occurred to you.

Focacciaisyum · 16/04/2026 12:48

ruethewhirl · 16/04/2026 12:16

Speak for yourself. Some of us aren’t interested in playing tit for tat or keeping a balance ledger with people we love.

Plus elderly parent care is vastly different from childcare, just in case that hadn’t occurred to you.

Its really not keeping a 'ledger balance' is it? Its just that in most relationships help and love and support goes both ways. If grandparents are refusing to help their kids with grandkids how can they expect those same kids to drop everything and help them eventually when they need it? I mean you might be fine with that but i imagine many wouldnt. And im not comparing full time childcare with help doing shipping for example, im assuming roughly similar. For example if parents refuse to help.out in an EMERGENCY then why should their adult kids be expected to do the same for them?

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 12:51

Focacciaisyum · 16/04/2026 12:48

Its really not keeping a 'ledger balance' is it? Its just that in most relationships help and love and support goes both ways. If grandparents are refusing to help their kids with grandkids how can they expect those same kids to drop everything and help them eventually when they need it? I mean you might be fine with that but i imagine many wouldnt. And im not comparing full time childcare with help doing shipping for example, im assuming roughly similar. For example if parents refuse to help.out in an EMERGENCY then why should their adult kids be expected to do the same for them?

You do realise that it wasn’t the grandparents who chose to have the grandchildren?

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