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Stop being grabby and entitled and using false arguments to try to turn your mother into your servants

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Youlittlenightmare · 15/04/2026 02:58

Posting in AIBU for traction, not because I think I'm wrong - I know I'm right in fact :) But this is where many of the grabby, problematic mumsnetters turn up to have a whinge and make false arguments. So this is for all of you.

And let’s be clear, if you're a grandmother who genuinely loves caring for your grandchildren, good for you. This thread is not for or about you. If your own mother happily provides childcare and truly enjoys it, lovely. This thread is not or or about you either.

This is about dismantling a stubborn and deeply illogical belief that if a grandmother declines the burden of childcare, she somehow forfeits the right to see her grandchildren.

No one is owed childcare from their mother. End.

It does not matter whether she had help when raising you, other people’s sacrifices are not items on a balance sheet for you to cash in later. Older women are not public utilities, nor are their remaining years a communal resource to be allocated by their adult children. They are human beings with dignity, autonomy, and the absolute right to say no for any reason whatsoever.

They have already done the work. They raised their children. Their duty is complete.

But what is especially irritating is how often two completely separate things are deliberately conflated with the dreary refrain of “Well then she can’t expect visits from the grandchildren.”

This is a logical failure.

Childcare is work. It is labour intensive, draining, time consuming, and often physically demanding.

A family visit is not work. Bringing your children to see their grandmother, spending time together, sharing conversation and affection, that is family life. It is a relationship, not a work shift.

To collapse those into the same category is a false equivalence.

If you dislike your mother so much that visiting her feels like a burden, like work, then of course you definitely do NOT want her to shoulder the burden of your job of parenting. That would be quite mad, imagine wanting your children under the care of a woman you would prefer never to spend time with.

If seeing her is a chore and you consider it a job then asking her to work for you (generally for free) is absurd.

If she wants to see you more often than you can manage that is QUITE another matter, just see her when you can, like normal people do.

But if you love your mother, you will want to see her because she is family, because you enjoy her company, because relationships exist for their own sake.

That bond is not, and should never be, contingent on whether she performs even more physical labour after decades of already doing exactly that.

These are the three coherent possibilities - you visit your mother with the children because you love her and enjoy being together. Otherwise known as normal family life.

The second possiblity is that you do not want a relationship with your mother, in which case you would neither visit nor expect free labour from her.

The third possiblitiy is that your mother freely chooses to provide childcare, which is her decision alone and not something anyone is entitled to demand nor contingent upon anything else.

What is not logically defensible is weaponising access to grandchildren as punishment because she refused unpaid work. That's coercion dressed up badly in sentiment.

It's not complicated - family connection and visits are a relationship. Childcare is labour. These two concepts are not interchangeable, and one should never be made conditional on the other or compared to the other.

And finally those of you who claim the relationship with her grandchildren will be stronger if an exhausted older women is forced to do your job of parenting - maybe. Maybe not. Nobody has the slightest idea of how kids will feel about their grandparents or parents as they grow up and a lot of grandmothers would gladly relinquish a "closer" relationship with their grandchildren if it meant they could put their exhausted feet up after a lifetime of labour, or go out when they want as they want doing what they want, without first running it past their dictator daughters.

So, all of you who keep trying to confuse what is actually a very simple concept with this nonsense - just stop now.

If you are demanding child care from your mother and trying to couch it in any way as anything she "should" do because "reasons", trying to conflate famly visit with her doing unpaid work that she did for decades already - you're an awful person, and are perpetuating the misogyny of treating women like commodities to be shared.

Stop throwing a tantrum, get on with parenting your own kids and visit your mother, or don't. For many of you, not visiting would be doing her a favour.

I am an older woman who is happy to agree to the intensive labour of free childcare a couple of times a week because I choose to. An older woman who would instantly tell you exactly where to go if you ever asserted your entitlement or attempted to tell me what I "should" do with my own precious, irreplaceable and limited time on this earth. An older woman who will decline childcare if I want to, when I want to and be treated respectfully regardless.

Signed - an older woman who is sick of your entitled bullshit. We see you.

Stop it.

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Vivi0 · 15/04/2026 23:18

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Embarrassing.

Youlittlenightmare · 16/04/2026 02:30

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VictoriaEra · 15/04/2026 09:41

Brilliant post, OP.

But then totally undermined the post with her responses to anyone who took even a slightly different viewpoint! Aggressively trying to dismiss and shut down other views is counterproductive and ( ironically) rather entitled.

Velumental · 16/04/2026 04:58

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Do you know what's interesting, how much you can't see the other side even a little bit, and I don't mean why anyone should be expecting childcare but I DO mean your complete inability to understand why your daughter may not be up for being your carer in your old age. Despite you claiming you are against other people feeling entitled to the labour of women.

Also your assertion that it doesn't matter that your mum helped you with childcare as it was different the .

I would argue that what is happening with the generation of grandparents you represent is you felt entitled to the labour of your own mother, however as you HAD so much help with your children you have a lack of knowledge of the work involved in doing it without help. Then you also feel it's the proper order of things that your daughter cares for you. So basically all help available should go TOWARDS you from both directions but no help should come FROM you. It's a generation that is the opposite of the sandwich generation. Your sandwich has an outside of cushiony help

Zanatdy · 16/04/2026 05:05

One lady from work retired a few weeks ago and I was asking her what her plans are. Turns out she already does a lot of childcare, including a 2hr drive and staying over 2 nights once a fortnight to care for 2 young grandchildren. But turns out, their dad is out of work and has been for a while, but she still does this, and then picks another grandchild up from school on the way home. They are taking the P, she has to do this whilst the dad has some me time and does some jobs around the house. There’s no way i’d be agreeing to this when a parent is actually there. No doubt her retirement will be spent doing more and more baby-sitting of grandchildren.

echt · 16/04/2026 05:36

I would argue that what is happening with the generation of grandparents you represent is you felt entitled to the labour of your own mother, however as you HAD so much help with your children you have a lack of knowledge of the work involved in doing it without help. Then you also feel it's the proper order of things that your daughter cares for you. So basically all help available should go TOWARDS you from both directions but no help should come FROM you. It's a generation that is the opposite of the sandwich generation. Your sandwich has an outside of cushiony help

Stop making shit up.

The OP has never referred to help from her own parents.

SandwichesAndGingerBeer · 16/04/2026 06:20

OP I did agree with some of your original points but I’ve reported you for trolling now.

You’re not engaging in conversation, you’re delighted you’ve enraged people and you’ve belittled/insulted any contrary opinion as being dictator daughters.

Your behaviour here hasn’t reflected well on you.

MyOtherProfile · 16/04/2026 06:50

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It's not rage people feel but pity, and perhaps a little concern about your mental health.

Maray1967 · 16/04/2026 07:01

TheSocialHermit · 15/04/2026 21:13

My situation currently - they like to give their friends the impression that they’re very involved in their grandchildren’s lives. In reality, they only want to see them when they have no other plans that weekend.

This is very sad to read - because I can tell you what the outcome for them will probably be in 20 years’ time: adult DGC who are not bothered about seeing them, while their friends have a lot of support and affection from the adult DGC that they picked up one night a week from school or took them to a weekend activity.

It doesn’t take much to build a great relationship with DGC. I lived 80 miles away from mine as a DC so in my case it was DGPs having us to stay for a week in the summer holidays, not weekly effort. My cousins saw them more regularly rather than staying for a week. When DB and I stayed they got the hour DGC together and took us on days/half days out, sometimes my DGF took the boys somewhere and DGM me and female cousin. All four of us loved them dearly and helped/visited when they were older. One of us lived with them for a short while when we started a job near them.

So it doesn’t take three days a week childcare - but it does require some effort.

I can remember MIL berating us and BIL years ago that all their friends had lots of photos of their DGC and they’d had none to show. BIL said, well, take some then.

MyLuckyHelper · 16/04/2026 07:03

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Congratulations on all your likes, that really is what we ought to value our success in life in.

Focacciaisyum · 16/04/2026 07:42

If be interested to know which country OP is in. The posts are often in the middle of the night UK time. I also dont think anynof what they post is actually real as it sounds completely mad. I think MN are bing played.

DontOpenTheFourthDrawer · 16/04/2026 07:50

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Are you legit ok?

You sound more and more like you're having some kind of break down

Katypp · 16/04/2026 07:50

I 100% agree with the OP but i also 100% agree people should not be obligated to care for older parents.
However. Nuance again.
I don't think the OP has said anywhere she thinks grandparents should never look after or see their grandchildren, just they should not be expected tp provide childcare week-in, week-out if they don't want to. That's fair enough and looking after older people should be on the same basis. Happy to help out but not tied down with regular care if they don't want to.
However, we have becone very child-centrered and i am sorry to say there is something about the current generation of parents (or at least the ones on MN, although i have seen it in the wild) that are utterly convinced they have parenting cracked and their parents' care needs to be monitered and led by them lest they should damage the precious child by allowing a but of TV or a glass of squash.
After a particularly unpleasant experience when i comiserated with a mum as her child woke up at 4am every morning and she swept the child up as if any hint that the baby was less than perfect might damage her permenently, i would never, ever talk to a baby ir interact with one or strike up a conversation with its mother in case i offerended her in some way. I would if it was the gran in charge though.
In the last few weeks - off the top of my head - i have seen posters complaing about their child being moved aside out of danger by a builder, about a MIL allowing a child to be taken to the toilet by a cousin and many others moaning about absolute trivia, when you can get at least one poster will 'advise' the grandparent should not be 'allowed' to look after the child, as if the parent is bestowing a great honour on allowing it in the first place!
It seems parents have lost the ability to delagate care to someone they trust (which presumably they do if they leave their children with them) and want to micromanage everything as if their parents were paid help and should grateful they are 'allowed' to provide hours of free childcare.

Katypp · 16/04/2026 07:53

DontOpenTheFourthDrawer · 16/04/2026 07:50

Are you legit ok?

You sound more and more like you're having some kind of break down

I've seen worse compainjng about lookng after parents. But that's OK. Because they are old, irrelevant and had easier lives than today's parents, who are suffeting more than any generation has ever suffered ever.

DontOpenTheFourthDrawer · 16/04/2026 07:56

Katypp · 16/04/2026 07:53

I've seen worse compainjng about lookng after parents. But that's OK. Because they are old, irrelevant and had easier lives than today's parents, who are suffeting more than any generation has ever suffered ever.

The OP isnt even engaging in discussion though, she's just throwing out insults at this point and sounding increasingly unhinged. It could be the start of dementia I suppose

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 08:00

DontOpenTheFourthDrawer · 16/04/2026 07:56

The OP isnt even engaging in discussion though, she's just throwing out insults at this point and sounding increasingly unhinged. It could be the start of dementia I suppose

What insults?

DontOpenTheFourthDrawer · 16/04/2026 08:08

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 08:00

What insults?

Weird rantings about "dictator daughters" (no mention of sons, obviously- they are all perfect), talk about misogyny and yet all her hatred is directed at women only, calling women nasty bullies, then again "bratty demanding dictator daughters", saying her argument is logical but then admitting that many of the women she is supposedly defending had help from THEIR mothers (but thats ok presumably??). Posts also removed.

It's just a ranty old mess and to me, reads quite like someone with early signs of dementia.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 16/04/2026 08:13

And then there are the people who absolutely would not want to ask their mothers to look after their children.

something they’ll be blamed for as well!

Differentforgirls · 16/04/2026 08:16

DontOpenTheFourthDrawer · 16/04/2026 08:08

Weird rantings about "dictator daughters" (no mention of sons, obviously- they are all perfect), talk about misogyny and yet all her hatred is directed at women only, calling women nasty bullies, then again "bratty demanding dictator daughters", saying her argument is logical but then admitting that many of the women she is supposedly defending had help from THEIR mothers (but thats ok presumably??). Posts also removed.

It's just a ranty old mess and to me, reads quite like someone with early signs of dementia.

I should really report this. Are you always this rude?

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 16/04/2026 08:20

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The repeated sharing of the number of likes - which are invisible on MN for a reason - is getting a bit embarrassing, OP.

For someone who has tried to project strength and confidence in a post about women standing up for themselves and not being pressured by their children into doing stuff that they don't want to do, it is rather surprising - and frankly a bit depressing - to see the somewhat desperate craving for "likes".

It is as if you have replaced the desire for approval from your children with the need for validation and approval from complete strangers on the Internet. It rather undermines the image of a woman living her life on her own terms....

Katypp · 16/04/2026 08:27

I have no idea why pps seem to think that parents are obligated to look afterbtheir grandchildren because they had help from THEIR parents.
My mum looked after my son to allow us to work. We handed him over and were happy for mum to look after him however she wanted, on the basis he was the centre of her life, she loved him unconditionally, she was sensible and i had turned out ok. There were some things I was not 100% happy about (too much TV, unhealthy food etc) but she was saving me thousands so i was happy he was being looked after by someone who loved him rather than somrone who was paid to do so.
I would happily offer childcare on the same basis, but the moment i was presented with a list of dos and dont's and/or phone calls 'gently explaining' i was wrong or microanalysing something I said/did (see post about how much screen time the child had had last week) or was shown 'the latest research' to prove x, y or z, the deal would be off.

Katypp · 16/04/2026 08:33

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 16/04/2026 08:20

The repeated sharing of the number of likes - which are invisible on MN for a reason - is getting a bit embarrassing, OP.

For someone who has tried to project strength and confidence in a post about women standing up for themselves and not being pressured by their children into doing stuff that they don't want to do, it is rather surprising - and frankly a bit depressing - to see the somewhat desperate craving for "likes".

It is as if you have replaced the desire for approval from your children with the need for validation and approval from complete strangers on the Internet. It rather undermines the image of a woman living her life on her own terms....

That seems bit of a stetch. I read it more that the OP is illustrating that many agree with her.

mbosnz · 16/04/2026 08:38

My mother has always been very clear that any interactions with her children and grandchildren would be very much on her terms.

That is more than fair enough, and obviously I would never have dreamed of wanting, let alone asking, for any support like childcare etc - in fact, we specifically chose to live where it was never going to be a live issue in play!

What did cause some tension, was that this meant that I felt free to give myself the same permission to maintain my relationship with her, and as an offshoot of that, her relationship with our children on the same level - on my terms.

This, it seems, was not how Things Were Supposed to Be.

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