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Stop being grabby and entitled and using false arguments to try to turn your mother into your servants

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Youlittlenightmare · 15/04/2026 02:58

Posting in AIBU for traction, not because I think I'm wrong - I know I'm right in fact :) But this is where many of the grabby, problematic mumsnetters turn up to have a whinge and make false arguments. So this is for all of you.

And let’s be clear, if you're a grandmother who genuinely loves caring for your grandchildren, good for you. This thread is not for or about you. If your own mother happily provides childcare and truly enjoys it, lovely. This thread is not or or about you either.

This is about dismantling a stubborn and deeply illogical belief that if a grandmother declines the burden of childcare, she somehow forfeits the right to see her grandchildren.

No one is owed childcare from their mother. End.

It does not matter whether she had help when raising you, other people’s sacrifices are not items on a balance sheet for you to cash in later. Older women are not public utilities, nor are their remaining years a communal resource to be allocated by their adult children. They are human beings with dignity, autonomy, and the absolute right to say no for any reason whatsoever.

They have already done the work. They raised their children. Their duty is complete.

But what is especially irritating is how often two completely separate things are deliberately conflated with the dreary refrain of “Well then she can’t expect visits from the grandchildren.”

This is a logical failure.

Childcare is work. It is labour intensive, draining, time consuming, and often physically demanding.

A family visit is not work. Bringing your children to see their grandmother, spending time together, sharing conversation and affection, that is family life. It is a relationship, not a work shift.

To collapse those into the same category is a false equivalence.

If you dislike your mother so much that visiting her feels like a burden, like work, then of course you definitely do NOT want her to shoulder the burden of your job of parenting. That would be quite mad, imagine wanting your children under the care of a woman you would prefer never to spend time with.

If seeing her is a chore and you consider it a job then asking her to work for you (generally for free) is absurd.

If she wants to see you more often than you can manage that is QUITE another matter, just see her when you can, like normal people do.

But if you love your mother, you will want to see her because she is family, because you enjoy her company, because relationships exist for their own sake.

That bond is not, and should never be, contingent on whether she performs even more physical labour after decades of already doing exactly that.

These are the three coherent possibilities - you visit your mother with the children because you love her and enjoy being together. Otherwise known as normal family life.

The second possiblity is that you do not want a relationship with your mother, in which case you would neither visit nor expect free labour from her.

The third possiblitiy is that your mother freely chooses to provide childcare, which is her decision alone and not something anyone is entitled to demand nor contingent upon anything else.

What is not logically defensible is weaponising access to grandchildren as punishment because she refused unpaid work. That's coercion dressed up badly in sentiment.

It's not complicated - family connection and visits are a relationship. Childcare is labour. These two concepts are not interchangeable, and one should never be made conditional on the other or compared to the other.

And finally those of you who claim the relationship with her grandchildren will be stronger if an exhausted older women is forced to do your job of parenting - maybe. Maybe not. Nobody has the slightest idea of how kids will feel about their grandparents or parents as they grow up and a lot of grandmothers would gladly relinquish a "closer" relationship with their grandchildren if it meant they could put their exhausted feet up after a lifetime of labour, or go out when they want as they want doing what they want, without first running it past their dictator daughters.

So, all of you who keep trying to confuse what is actually a very simple concept with this nonsense - just stop now.

If you are demanding child care from your mother and trying to couch it in any way as anything she "should" do because "reasons", trying to conflate famly visit with her doing unpaid work that she did for decades already - you're an awful person, and are perpetuating the misogyny of treating women like commodities to be shared.

Stop throwing a tantrum, get on with parenting your own kids and visit your mother, or don't. For many of you, not visiting would be doing her a favour.

I am an older woman who is happy to agree to the intensive labour of free childcare a couple of times a week because I choose to. An older woman who would instantly tell you exactly where to go if you ever asserted your entitlement or attempted to tell me what I "should" do with my own precious, irreplaceable and limited time on this earth. An older woman who will decline childcare if I want to, when I want to and be treated respectfully regardless.

Signed - an older woman who is sick of your entitled bullshit. We see you.

Stop it.

OP posts:
Vivi0 · 15/04/2026 16:45

saraclara · 15/04/2026 16:42

When a parent is looking after their small child, they're "in the trenches and it's exhausting" and "of course being a SAHM is just like a working day, only harder"
When their mother, maybe three decades older, is looking after their small grandchild, it's "quality time building their relationship"

It’s exhausting for parents looking after their small children, because they are doing so 24/7.

It’s not comparable with a grandparent taking their grandchild to the park for an hour FFS 😂

Zov · 15/04/2026 16:46

ValhallaCalling · 15/04/2026 16:39

I pay for all my child care. Her grandfather picks her up once a week on the day neither of us finish work early enough to get and has her for an hour. That's it.

I do dread visiting my hostile mother though, I see the OP in her! 🤭

Well if the OP is soooo horrible, then why does her DD want her to look after her children? (The OP's grandchildren?)

She's right. Many women want to use granny as a free babysitter but CBA to actually properly visit her, 'just because,' or take her out for a meal or an afternoon out. Many older women are just used as babysitters, and if they refuse, they don't get to see the grandchildren. Awful emotional blackmail and manipulation.

And I have no skin in the game, because I have no grandchildren, and I get on well with my DC, and we do things together/go places together. They don't avoid me and treat me as an inconvenience as some posters on here appear to do with THEIR mothers. How incredibly sad and depressing. Sad

@Youlittlenightmare I am curious to know how many 'likes' and 'agrees' you have now! Grin

Zov · 15/04/2026 16:46

ValhallaCalling · 15/04/2026 16:39

I pay for all my child care. Her grandfather picks her up once a week on the day neither of us finish work early enough to get and has her for an hour. That's it.

I do dread visiting my hostile mother though, I see the OP in her! 🤭

Well if the OP is soooo horrible, then why does her DD want her to look after her children? (The OP's grandchildren?)

She's right. Many women want to use granny as a free babysitter but CBA to actually properly visit her, 'just because,' or take her out for a meal or an afternoon out. Many older women are just used as babysitters, and if they refuse, they don't get to see the grandchildren. Awful emotional blackmail and manipulation.

And I have no skin in the game, because I have no grandchildren, and I get on well with my DC, and we do things together/go places together. They don't avoid me and treat me as an inconvenience as some posters on here appear to do with THEIR mothers. How incredibly sad and depressing. Sad

@Youlittlenightmare I am curious to know how many 'likes' and 'agrees' you have now! Grin

GlovedhandsCecilia · 15/04/2026 16:47

nixon1976 · 15/04/2026 16:45

What do you mean, 'that's all you can be bothered to do'? Grandparents work, or aren't able to physically babysit, or live too far away, or can't or don't want to commit to regular childcare for a thousand different reasons. This is the whole point of the OP's thread - why do you think grandparents have to offer this service otherwise they are 'less than' and they have 'ruined their relationships with their grandkids'? It's nonsense. Where does this sense of entitlement come from? Btw I am not a grandparent, my parents did not help me regularly and their parents did not help them. We live far apart but we all have healthy and happy relationships and my kids adore them and vice versa.

OK. How old are your kids?

Zov · 15/04/2026 16:47

Vivi0 · 15/04/2026 16:45

It’s exhausting for parents looking after their small children, because they are doing so 24/7.

It’s not comparable with a grandparent taking their grandchild to the park for an hour FFS 😂

And you visiting your mother is NOT the same 'labour' as your mother (often an older lady) looking after YOUR kids FFS! 😂

Focacciaisyum · 15/04/2026 16:49

Zov · 15/04/2026 16:40

100% this. Suggesting that visiting your senior age mother is as much work and stress as looking after small children is fecking hilarious. What a ludicrous thing to say! 😆

Spending time VISITING your senior age mother WITH YOUNG CHILDREN IN TOW which is what was being implied is absolutely harder work than childcare alone. Looking after your kids in their own home where they have their toys and presumably you've childproofed to a degree is completely different to trying to look after them in your mother's house where they have no toys, small items lying around that kids might stick.in their mouths - slug pellets anyone? - or just fragile ornaments they might break. Its stressful and you have to watch them every second whilst trying to entertain them at the same time.

Thechaseison71 · 15/04/2026 16:49

nixon1976 · 15/04/2026 16:45

What do you mean, 'that's all you can be bothered to do'? Grandparents work, or aren't able to physically babysit, or live too far away, or can't or don't want to commit to regular childcare for a thousand different reasons. This is the whole point of the OP's thread - why do you think grandparents have to offer this service otherwise they are 'less than' and they have 'ruined their relationships with their grandkids'? It's nonsense. Where does this sense of entitlement come from? Btw I am not a grandparent, my parents did not help me regularly and their parents did not help them. We live far apart but we all have healthy and happy relationships and my kids adore them and vice versa.

I had a close relationship with my paternal grandmother . She never " babysat" as a matter of course. She did however take me on trips, teach me things and made me walk with a book on my head to ensure good posture and no slouching.

She wasn't a sit indoors baking, knitting kind of Grandma despite being in her70s when I was born

thepariscrimefiles · 15/04/2026 16:50

Happyjoe · 15/04/2026 10:54

Because you spell it as a direct result of the grandparents not providing care. It's a consequence, a threat of one at least.

What about the fact the grandma herself brought her own children up, did everything for them, looking after when ill, school, taxi runs, nursed them when ill, held b'day parties etc, that seems to mean sod all with the now adult children who then become mums themselves. All that care, love and time means nothing to them because they don't want to provide childcare for the grandchildren too.

Nice attitude eh? Yeah, fuck em in their old age, fuck em. They didn't provide free childcare so ner-ner.

Edited

But it's a legal requirement for parents to look after their children. If they fail to do this and are neglectful and abusive, they can and should lose their children.

Adult children don't have to 'pay back' their parents for having them and raising them. That's just the bare minimum that parents need to do.

The relationship between adult children and their parents is one that both parties need to work on and should be reciprocal and mutually beneficial.

Augarden · 15/04/2026 16:50

This uber-individualistic idea that you have no obligation to your family would be completely alien in basically any other time and place. I have no children so no dog in the fight but OP has a weird attitude.

Vivi0 · 15/04/2026 16:53

Zov · 15/04/2026 16:47

And you visiting your mother is NOT the same 'labour' as your mother (often an older lady) looking after YOUR kids FFS! 😂

I’ve already clarified this:

Perhaps you should re-read my post.

I suggest that spending time with your grandchildren isn’t work, but is as much relationship building and maintenance, as spending time with your mother is.

Grandchildren are part of a family in their own right.

Again, perhaps you should actually read posts before racing to respond.

saraclara · 15/04/2026 16:54

Vivi0 · 15/04/2026 16:45

It’s exhausting for parents looking after their small children, because they are doing so 24/7.

It’s not comparable with a grandparent taking their grandchild to the park for an hour FFS 😂

We're not taking about grandparents taking them to the park for an hour. We're taking about grandparents doing childcare while parents are at work.

Vivi0 · 15/04/2026 16:57

saraclara · 15/04/2026 16:54

We're not taking about grandparents taking them to the park for an hour. We're taking about grandparents doing childcare while parents are at work.

No we aren’t.

We’re talking about childcare. Any childcare.

It’s not limited to looking after a grandchildren whilst the parents are at work, which isn’t a very common situation to begin with.

nixon1976 · 15/04/2026 17:00

GlovedhandsCecilia · 15/04/2026 16:47

OK. How old are your kids?

Teenagers, why?

Zov · 15/04/2026 17:00

BlackRowan · 15/04/2026 16:28

Quite. Young children are much more pleasant to look after. They shower you with love and look at the world with eyes full of appreciation and excitement.

much better experience than cantankerous old people

Actual wow.

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 15/04/2026 17:03

Zov · 15/04/2026 16:47

And you visiting your mother is NOT the same 'labour' as your mother (often an older lady) looking after YOUR kids FFS! 😂

But the context is of visiting your parents WITH your children.

For my parents that means a 3h drive each way and managing the safety of my child in a house which, I shit you not, had a rusty saw lying around in the kitchen last time I visited.

I'd actually love to visit my parents and go hiking, chat to them and not have to look after my son simultaneously. They'd think I'd grown another head if I showed up without him though. They want to see him, and they didn't have a trip away without us until we were over 10, so they just don't understand my husband and I doing things separately apart from work.

Zov · 15/04/2026 17:03

Focacciaisyum · 15/04/2026 16:49

Spending time VISITING your senior age mother WITH YOUNG CHILDREN IN TOW which is what was being implied is absolutely harder work than childcare alone. Looking after your kids in their own home where they have their toys and presumably you've childproofed to a degree is completely different to trying to look after them in your mother's house where they have no toys, small items lying around that kids might stick.in their mouths - slug pellets anyone? - or just fragile ornaments they might break. Its stressful and you have to watch them every second whilst trying to entertain them at the same time.

Jennifer Lawrence Reaction GIF

But you're OK to leave your children ALONE with granny while she babysits them - while you're at work?!!! Despite all these terrifying and perilous HAZARDS?! 😱

Got it!

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Zov · 15/04/2026 17:06

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 15/04/2026 17:03

But the context is of visiting your parents WITH your children.

For my parents that means a 3h drive each way and managing the safety of my child in a house which, I shit you not, had a rusty saw lying around in the kitchen last time I visited.

I'd actually love to visit my parents and go hiking, chat to them and not have to look after my son simultaneously. They'd think I'd grown another head if I showed up without him though. They want to see him, and they didn't have a trip away without us until we were over 10, so they just don't understand my husband and I doing things separately apart from work.

The whole thread is about women using granny to babysit her children while she's at work, but not being faffed to visit her if she says NO to babysitting.

Do keep up!

Focacciaisyum · 15/04/2026 17:08

Zov · 15/04/2026 17:03

But you're OK to leave your children ALONE with granny while she babysits them - while you're at work?!!! Despite all these terrifying and perilous HAZARDS?! 😱

Got it!

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Edited

Nope. My parents dont babysit for me at all. They've done 1 evening while me and dh had a night out- at our house, not theirs - over the last 3 years BUT they also don't demand we visit them. They come see us, we have Sunday lunch together, they play with the kids a bit, we chat, they go home. They do NOT demand we all go visit them. You know because theyre not self important arseholes.

Zov · 15/04/2026 17:08

saraclara · 15/04/2026 16:54

We're not taking about grandparents taking them to the park for an hour. We're taking about grandparents doing childcare while parents are at work.

Angry Chicken GIF by happydog

EXACTLY! I honestly feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall right now!

I'm out! Gotta start dinner anyway.

DavesGirl90 · 15/04/2026 17:08

BlackRowan · 15/04/2026 05:10

If you love your grandchildren spending time with them is precious and if you love your child helping them is also fulfilling and rewarding. It is ALL part of family life.

The bond between grandmother and grandchild will never be the same if built over just “family visits” vs time alone between child and grandmother. It’s never going to be as close.

why did you have children if you despise this work so much ? Did you not think that eventually you’ll have grandchildren?

This is all that needs to be said. No one is entitled to help from anyone else but if you refuse a REASONABLE request for help from a loved one while being perfectly capable, it will affect the relationship.

Similarly, it is my right to refuse to help my mum negotiate with a tradesperson or set up her new router or organise her online shopping or whatever. And it is her right to think less of me for it, and act accordingly.

Thistimearound · 15/04/2026 17:09

It's not complicated - family connection and visits are a relationship. Childcare is labour.

For many people it is complicated and there is nuance in everything.

Take a recent thread where the OP’s mother and MIL kept saying they wanted to help and how much they disapproved of paid childcare. Yet they were always too busy to help. Surely this situation is allowed to be difficult.

Visitng (normal family life / relationships according to the OP can be a burden even if you love your relatives. I found travelling with small kids in the car who would cry and vomit the whole journey just so difficult, and when I thought about how my ILs (who I very much wanted my DC to have a relationship with) could just pop in the car without tears and car sickness but chose not to, it made me angry. Sometimes I did feel like they “owed” me an hour or two childcare when we were there simply because of all I had to go through to get there. I would never have expressed this to them, but I was allowed to feel that way.

Or how about two families with the same household income - one that pays thousands a month for childcare and one that doesn’t pay a penny due to grandparents. No one is owed childcare of course, but I wouldn’t begrudge the family with the childcare expenses from noticing it and feeling jealous. Just in the same way that maybe people with Plan 2 student loans feel jealous of their peers born a few years earlier and on Plan 1. Or how people who bought a flat that turned out to be covered in cladding feel jealous of their friends who didn’t. Life is unfair and we’re allowed to notice it.

GlovedhandsCecilia · 15/04/2026 17:11

nixon1976 · 15/04/2026 17:00

Teenagers, why?

Because I think its teens and upwards where you'll see how much your children actually give a shit about your parents and how much they turned up for the fiver and because they were yoo young to say no.

DavesGirl90 · 15/04/2026 17:13

DavesGirl90 · 15/04/2026 17:08

This is all that needs to be said. No one is entitled to help from anyone else but if you refuse a REASONABLE request for help from a loved one while being perfectly capable, it will affect the relationship.

Similarly, it is my right to refuse to help my mum negotiate with a tradesperson or set up her new router or organise her online shopping or whatever. And it is her right to think less of me for it, and act accordingly.

Edited

To clarify - those are all the kinds of things I do for my mum routinely because the relationship is important to me. I could say no. And she would be quite right to reassess the relationship if I did.

RawBloomers · 15/04/2026 17:16

saraclara · 15/04/2026 16:54

We're not taking about grandparents taking them to the park for an hour. We're taking about grandparents doing childcare while parents are at work.

The OP has never said she's talking about childcare while the parents work.

Focacciaisyum · 15/04/2026 17:18

RawBloomers · 15/04/2026 17:16

The OP has never said she's talking about childcare while the parents work.

And OP also demanded that kids should take grandkids to visit their grandparents. Why? Why cant those grandparents make the effort to go visit the grandkids?