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Stop being grabby and entitled and using false arguments to try to turn your mother into your servants

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Youlittlenightmare · 15/04/2026 02:58

Posting in AIBU for traction, not because I think I'm wrong - I know I'm right in fact :) But this is where many of the grabby, problematic mumsnetters turn up to have a whinge and make false arguments. So this is for all of you.

And let’s be clear, if you're a grandmother who genuinely loves caring for your grandchildren, good for you. This thread is not for or about you. If your own mother happily provides childcare and truly enjoys it, lovely. This thread is not or or about you either.

This is about dismantling a stubborn and deeply illogical belief that if a grandmother declines the burden of childcare, she somehow forfeits the right to see her grandchildren.

No one is owed childcare from their mother. End.

It does not matter whether she had help when raising you, other people’s sacrifices are not items on a balance sheet for you to cash in later. Older women are not public utilities, nor are their remaining years a communal resource to be allocated by their adult children. They are human beings with dignity, autonomy, and the absolute right to say no for any reason whatsoever.

They have already done the work. They raised their children. Their duty is complete.

But what is especially irritating is how often two completely separate things are deliberately conflated with the dreary refrain of “Well then she can’t expect visits from the grandchildren.”

This is a logical failure.

Childcare is work. It is labour intensive, draining, time consuming, and often physically demanding.

A family visit is not work. Bringing your children to see their grandmother, spending time together, sharing conversation and affection, that is family life. It is a relationship, not a work shift.

To collapse those into the same category is a false equivalence.

If you dislike your mother so much that visiting her feels like a burden, like work, then of course you definitely do NOT want her to shoulder the burden of your job of parenting. That would be quite mad, imagine wanting your children under the care of a woman you would prefer never to spend time with.

If seeing her is a chore and you consider it a job then asking her to work for you (generally for free) is absurd.

If she wants to see you more often than you can manage that is QUITE another matter, just see her when you can, like normal people do.

But if you love your mother, you will want to see her because she is family, because you enjoy her company, because relationships exist for their own sake.

That bond is not, and should never be, contingent on whether she performs even more physical labour after decades of already doing exactly that.

These are the three coherent possibilities - you visit your mother with the children because you love her and enjoy being together. Otherwise known as normal family life.

The second possiblity is that you do not want a relationship with your mother, in which case you would neither visit nor expect free labour from her.

The third possiblitiy is that your mother freely chooses to provide childcare, which is her decision alone and not something anyone is entitled to demand nor contingent upon anything else.

What is not logically defensible is weaponising access to grandchildren as punishment because she refused unpaid work. That's coercion dressed up badly in sentiment.

It's not complicated - family connection and visits are a relationship. Childcare is labour. These two concepts are not interchangeable, and one should never be made conditional on the other or compared to the other.

And finally those of you who claim the relationship with her grandchildren will be stronger if an exhausted older women is forced to do your job of parenting - maybe. Maybe not. Nobody has the slightest idea of how kids will feel about their grandparents or parents as they grow up and a lot of grandmothers would gladly relinquish a "closer" relationship with their grandchildren if it meant they could put their exhausted feet up after a lifetime of labour, or go out when they want as they want doing what they want, without first running it past their dictator daughters.

So, all of you who keep trying to confuse what is actually a very simple concept with this nonsense - just stop now.

If you are demanding child care from your mother and trying to couch it in any way as anything she "should" do because "reasons", trying to conflate famly visit with her doing unpaid work that she did for decades already - you're an awful person, and are perpetuating the misogyny of treating women like commodities to be shared.

Stop throwing a tantrum, get on with parenting your own kids and visit your mother, or don't. For many of you, not visiting would be doing her a favour.

I am an older woman who is happy to agree to the intensive labour of free childcare a couple of times a week because I choose to. An older woman who would instantly tell you exactly where to go if you ever asserted your entitlement or attempted to tell me what I "should" do with my own precious, irreplaceable and limited time on this earth. An older woman who will decline childcare if I want to, when I want to and be treated respectfully regardless.

Signed - an older woman who is sick of your entitled bullshit. We see you.

Stop it.

OP posts:
ThejoyofNC · 15/04/2026 11:53

Youlittlenightmare · 15/04/2026 11:38

176 likes/agreements so far. Lovely :) haven''t bothered reading any replies since page 2, because as I said then there is no rational or reasonable argument that can be made against what I said and everything was covered in the original post.

No point in letting those who are deliberately lying, or grossly entitled, get a rise from me - so I won't :)

The reason for posting was simple - you're not getting away with abusing your mothers like this, decent people see through you and everyone around you is thinking more or less what I am thinking whenever you start to flap your entitled gums.

And I want you to know that.

I am delighted to see such overwhelming support for my commonsense, fair and reasonable post.

It seems the majority sees through the dictator daughters' manipulative emotional blackmail and attempts to make false comparisons as just what it is - vicious coercion dressed up as sentiment.

Good. Attached a screenshot of the upvotes, let's see if it gets through.

Ciao - and thanks for all the support. Might check back tomorrow to see if the likes continue to climb :)

Edited

How sad that you feel validated by that. Just goes to show there are plenty of selfish and miserable people about.

woodenblox · 15/04/2026 11:54

Terfymcnamechange · 15/04/2026 11:24

I'm chuckling to myself about this post.

OP: women are people and not just servants to others and should not be guilt tripped or expected to care for others, like grandchildren.

replies: Yeah, same with their daughters, they shouldn't be guilt tripped into caring for their parents or inlaws, they aren't servants, they are people too.

OP (and others): 😮😡😡😡

Hahaha I was just thinking this! The furious lack of self awareness is hilarious!

Terfymcnamechange · 15/04/2026 11:55

ThejoyofNC · 15/04/2026 11:53

How sad that you feel validated by that. Just goes to show there are plenty of selfish and miserable people about.

Let's see if we can get this post to 200 likes 🤣

WutheringTights · 15/04/2026 11:55

saraclara · 15/04/2026 11:27

Did you actually ask her to do any of those things? Out did you want her to read your mind?

As I typed my reply I did wonder how long it would take for someone to make it my fault that someone didn’t invest anything in building a relationship with me. 😂

Credittocress · 15/04/2026 11:56

ThejoyofNC · 15/04/2026 11:53

How sad that you feel validated by that. Just goes to show there are plenty of selfish and miserable people about.

They also turned off voting so have no metric for how many people think they are completely batshit

Zov · 15/04/2026 11:58

Well you're right of course @Youlittlenightmare and it's funny isn't it, how men are never expected to shoulder the job of looking after the grandchildren while mummy is at work?! I don't think I have ever known a man/grandad be expected to administer regular care for his grandchildren.

When my 2 were in primary school - aged 6-7 ish, my DH's cousin had a 5 y.o. son, and her son's school hours changed... (He went to a school 2 miles from my DC.)

The start time was 8.30am previously, (finish time 2.45pm,) and she could drop him off at 8.15am. (Her job started at 8.30am finish time 1.30pm..) Then the school changed the hours to 8.50am start, and 3pm finish. (Her husband did permanent 7am to 2.30pm and picked the little boy up.) Earliest she could drop him off now was 8.35am. So she asked if she could start work at 9am. They said no, and that she would have to do the afternoon shift instead (1.15pm to 6.15pm) and the afternoon shift woman will swap with her. She said 'I'm not doing that, and they said she needs to find someone to take him then.

She was telling DH and I all of this, and DH said 'just bring him here around 8am, Zov will look after him, and take him to school. She can drop him off after she's taken our 2 to school for 8.30am! I was like Shock and then Hmm

She said 'that would be brilliant! Oh thank you so much Zov, that will be so helpful, what a weight off my mind!!!' I was like 😦(I worked 11am to 5pm four days a week one week/three the next at the time, and DH did permanent 6am to 2pm at the time, so picked up our DC when I was at work...) I took them to school around 8.15am. The extra 2.5 hours I had enabled me to do housework, shopping, cleaning, life admin, dental and GP appointments (and other appointments.)

After we left his cousin I said 'what the actual fucking hell?!' Hmm He said 'what?' COMPLETELY oblivious as to what he had just done. VOLUNTEERED me to look after his cousin's son every fucking school day, from 8am to 8.45-8.50am when he started school, as well as looking after our 2 as well, and getting them ready for school, and HE went to a different school. 2 miles away. My DC's school was 10 minutes walk, but I would have had to drive to his school to get him there on time - and theirs now as I would need to have the car at the school to be able to drive to the little boy's school for when he started!

tl;dr I told DH he can fuck right off and tell his cousin it's NOT happening. He was furious and said I am making him look like a bloody fool, and said 'what is Mandy supposed to do now? She will have to give up her job!' I said 'not my fucking problem. How DARE you volunteer me like this? And how DARE you put me on the spot like this, and put me in a difficult position?!' I was steaming, like, really fucking angry, and he made it all my fault and told his cousin I was refusing (which I was!)

Almost a quarter of a century ago and his cousin has never spoken to me again. She had to find another job and leave the one she was at as they wouldn't budge with the time, and it was all my fault apparently.... She didn't speak to DH much afterwards either... She left the area 5 years later and didn't speak to DH again at all.... We don't even know (or care) where she is..... He did apologise for all this, but only about a year later....

WutheringTights · 15/04/2026 11:58

ChefsKisser · 15/04/2026 11:35

finding a community that has a (not universal but significant) attitude of hostility and disdain for the generation that are currently mums

This. I am fed up of being called entitled just because I'm under the age of 40. We stayed with grandparents every school holidays and regularly at weekends. We both work full time just to survive, pay a fortune in wraparound care, insanely high mortgage and paying off student loans. My parents lives were infiniately easier- mum was PT, had a cleaner and a nanny, lots of childcare help. My parents are fab and do help but given how lucky they've been I'd be really upset if they refused to help us- ever! Just on principle. Just as we helped them sort their garden for a full weekend, helped with my grandma when she was unwell, looked after cousins kids when she was hospitalised suddenly. Everyone keeps saying it shouldnt be transactional which is kind of true but also all relationships are give and take. I wouldnt prioritise my paretns if they made a big song and dance from the start that they had no interest in any childcare. Luckily my parents adore all their grandkids and love having them from time to time (NOT day in day out they ask to have them in the school hols!).

This (although I’m well over 40!). Relationships shouldn’t be transactional, agreed. But how many threads are there where people who just take, take, take and never give are called cheeky fuckers?

ProjectHailMary · 15/04/2026 11:59

Gemtastic · 15/04/2026 11:39

Brilliant post.

It’s really not all people of that generation. As I said earlier I know lots of people my age who do help out and have great relationships with their children and grandchildren. They don’t sit at home expecting to be visited and made a fuss of; they remember how difficult it is with small children.

My parents didn’t help me when I was in the trenches with little ones plus working. They thought they just had to do the minimum in the same way as they were as parents: despite having a lot of support from siblings, friends and their own parents when we were little they didn’t take us out and about or show interest in our lives. I did take them to appointments and help out in their elder years as I’m not a monster. But I certainly didn’t go the extra mile because they didn’t even do the bare minimum to support me either practically or emotionally and I didn’t have a bond with them.

Selfish people with probably have children who equally do duty visits and help out when necessary. But they won’t feel that warm feeling of wanting to care for their parents that those who’ve had loving and supportive parents would have.

Definitely not all of them, I agree. I was very careful to ensure my post reflected that! There are some absolutely lovely people of that generation who have very close family relationships. It’s just that the type of view expressed in the OP and by various others on this thread is now prevalent in that generation which is a huge anomaly: it would have been considered extremely unusual in previous generations, still is in most countries around the world, and isn’t the general view in any subsequent generations in the UK either.

It seems uniquely prevalent in this particular cohort and it is extremely unpleasant and entitled and we also see this same entitlement and self-righteous indignation that anybody could ever expect them not to be privileged and prioritised over every else widespread amongst the same cohort in other spheres of life outside family. It’s good that it hasn’t become “contagious” and spread to subsequent generations in anywhere near the same proportions, and I’m sure in the future there will be some interesting anthropological studies on exactly what caused this huge distortion of normal human psychology amongst such a large percentage of just this one cohort.

Differentforgirls · 15/04/2026 11:59

Credittocress · 15/04/2026 11:56

They also turned off voting so have no metric for how many people think they are completely batshit

Batshit? Because she has an opinion?

minipie · 15/04/2026 12:00

Youlittlenightmare · 15/04/2026 11:38

176 likes/agreements so far. Lovely :) haven''t bothered reading any replies since page 2, because as I said then there is no rational or reasonable argument that can be made against what I said and everything was covered in the original post.

No point in letting those who are deliberately lying, or grossly entitled, get a rise from me - so I won't :)

The reason for posting was simple - you're not getting away with abusing your mothers like this, decent people see through you and everyone around you is thinking more or less what I am thinking whenever you start to flap your entitled gums.

And I want you to know that.

I am delighted to see such overwhelming support for my commonsense, fair and reasonable post.

It seems the majority sees through the dictator daughters' manipulative emotional blackmail and attempts to make false comparisons as just what it is - vicious coercion dressed up as sentiment.

Good. Attached a screenshot of the upvotes, let's see if it gets through.

Ciao - and thanks for all the support. Might check back tomorrow to see if the likes continue to climb :)

Edited

There are 430 replies. And there isn’t a “disagree” button.

Vivi0 · 15/04/2026 12:00

ProjectHailMary · 15/04/2026 11:52

Hahahaaaa ok, enlighten us on your rationale for that?

What’s so funny?

The OP’s opening post states that childcare is work, and that no one is entitled to free labour.

There has then been a flurry of posts, by people absolutely horrified by the prospect of adult children not helping out elderly parents, if those parents did not help out with childcare.

But surely, if you take the view that no one is entitled to free labour, and that childcare is indeed labour, then so too is elder care.

Everanewbie · 15/04/2026 12:02

This is an awkward one because it depends on the individuals and what is being asked. I do think some parents push it and put too much pressure on older grandparents to provide regular day-to-day care in place of paid childcare such as nursery and that can be unfair.

From my experience, I think the frustrating thing is the short memory. I went to my grandparents at 10am til 6pm every single Saturday from age 5 to about 13 so my mum could work part time and my dad could come off nights and play football (I don't begrudge him that, mum worked 12 hours a week while I was at school and he worked 70 hour weeks taking all the overtime he could, the least the poor bugger deserved was a game of footie and a couple of pints). Furthermore, grandparents provided childcare for the odd night out or PTA meeting etc. But if I hear one more time about how she worked and never got any help I think I'll become murderous. Same as my in-laws, I mentioned that my brother and sister in law are really struggling with a toddler and new born with no help, my father in law quipped "been there, done that!" before my husband slapped him down pretty quickly that his wife was a full time mum and both grandmothers lived 5 minutes away and did childcare, laundry, cleaning, you name it, so no, you haven't been there.

For me, its the comments. All seemingly well meaning. "You two look exhausted, you need a rest" "you try to do too much" "why don't you two have a night with just the two of you?"

I've got an idea, put up or shut up. We both work because house prices and the tax burden are insane. That means we have childcare costs that are also insane. Either supply some childcare, or chuck some of that hoarded money our way if you want to help. Sympathy is between shit and syphilis in the dictionary. Not interested. We're entitled ton so all, I get that. Their time, their lives, their money. I get all that. Just spare us the platitudes and don't pretend it was harder or even the same for you.

Bitterness about property prices, the ability to retire earlier, the option to have a stay at home parent etc. from personal experience I can see why parents are somewhat perplexed. There are not "entitled" to childcare as such, but spare us the lectures.

WearyAuldWumman · 15/04/2026 12:03

EdithStourton · 15/04/2026 07:24

I'm not surprised you're not neutral. I thought I'd never use the phrase 'unmumsnetty hug', but I think you need one.

Thank you.

OVienna · 15/04/2026 12:04

Everanewbie · 15/04/2026 12:02

This is an awkward one because it depends on the individuals and what is being asked. I do think some parents push it and put too much pressure on older grandparents to provide regular day-to-day care in place of paid childcare such as nursery and that can be unfair.

From my experience, I think the frustrating thing is the short memory. I went to my grandparents at 10am til 6pm every single Saturday from age 5 to about 13 so my mum could work part time and my dad could come off nights and play football (I don't begrudge him that, mum worked 12 hours a week while I was at school and he worked 70 hour weeks taking all the overtime he could, the least the poor bugger deserved was a game of footie and a couple of pints). Furthermore, grandparents provided childcare for the odd night out or PTA meeting etc. But if I hear one more time about how she worked and never got any help I think I'll become murderous. Same as my in-laws, I mentioned that my brother and sister in law are really struggling with a toddler and new born with no help, my father in law quipped "been there, done that!" before my husband slapped him down pretty quickly that his wife was a full time mum and both grandmothers lived 5 minutes away and did childcare, laundry, cleaning, you name it, so no, you haven't been there.

For me, its the comments. All seemingly well meaning. "You two look exhausted, you need a rest" "you try to do too much" "why don't you two have a night with just the two of you?"

I've got an idea, put up or shut up. We both work because house prices and the tax burden are insane. That means we have childcare costs that are also insane. Either supply some childcare, or chuck some of that hoarded money our way if you want to help. Sympathy is between shit and syphilis in the dictionary. Not interested. We're entitled ton so all, I get that. Their time, their lives, their money. I get all that. Just spare us the platitudes and don't pretend it was harder or even the same for you.

Bitterness about property prices, the ability to retire earlier, the option to have a stay at home parent etc. from personal experience I can see why parents are somewhat perplexed. There are not "entitled" to childcare as such, but spare us the lectures.

This x1000000

I am Gen X by the way. Curious if the OP is also my generation.

OVienna · 15/04/2026 12:04

My husband and I had this shit too.

For me, its the comments. All seemingly well meaning. "You two look exhausted, you need a rest" "you try to do too much" "why don't you two have a night with just the two of you?"

Credittocress · 15/04/2026 12:05

AprilMizzel · 15/04/2026 11:52

you're not getting away with abusing your mothers like this, decent people see through you and everyone around you is thinking more or less what I am thinking whenever you start to flap your entitled gums.
And I want you to know that.

If you are being pressure into doing unwanted childcare use your words and say no.

If you are upset your friends are doing childcare not hanging out with you - they may actually want to do this and even if they don't they need to speak to their adult children and even if they moan to you they may actually just enjoy moaning rather than be upset.

I got no help with childcare at all but would have still liked have liked a closer realtionship with my parents and our kids like IL managed despite no childcare from them either. My parents chose otherwise and I couldn't bridge that gap alone and the consquence of that is they have a very distant relationship with my kids.

I think most people that know the OP would pick childcare over spending time with them.

In fact I have a pet velociraptor that needs caring for if any of the OPs “friends” would like a reason to do something a little less dangerous than have a cup of tea with her.

minipie · 15/04/2026 12:06

I am Gen X by the way. Curious if the OP is also my generation.

The OP is very clearly a Boomer.

OVienna · 15/04/2026 12:07

minipie · 15/04/2026 12:06

I am Gen X by the way. Curious if the OP is also my generation.

The OP is very clearly a Boomer.

You'd be surprised. 1965 is start of Gen X.

ProjectHailMary · 15/04/2026 12:07

OVienna · 15/04/2026 11:53

Let's see if @ProjectHailMary 's post gets as many.

Yeah, ok. Because as many people are likely to read comments 17 pages into a thread as the OP, aren’t they?

Is this how you direct your moral compass, by how many “likes” an opinion receives on the internet?

OVienna · 15/04/2026 12:08

ProjectHailMary · 15/04/2026 12:07

Yeah, ok. Because as many people are likely to read comments 17 pages into a thread as the OP, aren’t they?

Is this how you direct your moral compass, by how many “likes” an opinion receives on the internet?

I am supportive of you! Goodness. I was being sarcastic to the OP.

OVienna · 15/04/2026 12:08

I actually made a point of going back and finding your original post to like it.

Was not expecting this sort of response!

ProjectHailMary · 15/04/2026 12:08

Credittocress · 15/04/2026 12:05

I think most people that know the OP would pick childcare over spending time with them.

In fact I have a pet velociraptor that needs caring for if any of the OPs “friends” would like a reason to do something a little less dangerous than have a cup of tea with her.

😂😂😂

Spot on.

ThatFairy · 15/04/2026 12:09

I think if you want GPs to watch the kids this way they should be brought to their house and not need to be taken to nursery and back. At school age they can be in clubs.

ProjectHailMary · 15/04/2026 12:10

OVienna · 15/04/2026 12:08

I am supportive of you! Goodness. I was being sarcastic to the OP.

Oh, sorry!!

There has been so much vitriol on the thread that I am confused. 😂 Some comments have been so outrageous that it’s hard to tell if they were parody.

My apologies @OVienna

OVienna · 15/04/2026 12:10

ProjectHailMary · 15/04/2026 12:10

Oh, sorry!!

There has been so much vitriol on the thread that I am confused. 😂 Some comments have been so outrageous that it’s hard to tell if they were parody.

My apologies @OVienna

No problem. I was surprised though.

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