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Stop being grabby and entitled and using false arguments to try to turn your mother into your servants

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Youlittlenightmare · 15/04/2026 02:58

Posting in AIBU for traction, not because I think I'm wrong - I know I'm right in fact :) But this is where many of the grabby, problematic mumsnetters turn up to have a whinge and make false arguments. So this is for all of you.

And let’s be clear, if you're a grandmother who genuinely loves caring for your grandchildren, good for you. This thread is not for or about you. If your own mother happily provides childcare and truly enjoys it, lovely. This thread is not or or about you either.

This is about dismantling a stubborn and deeply illogical belief that if a grandmother declines the burden of childcare, she somehow forfeits the right to see her grandchildren.

No one is owed childcare from their mother. End.

It does not matter whether she had help when raising you, other people’s sacrifices are not items on a balance sheet for you to cash in later. Older women are not public utilities, nor are their remaining years a communal resource to be allocated by their adult children. They are human beings with dignity, autonomy, and the absolute right to say no for any reason whatsoever.

They have already done the work. They raised their children. Their duty is complete.

But what is especially irritating is how often two completely separate things are deliberately conflated with the dreary refrain of “Well then she can’t expect visits from the grandchildren.”

This is a logical failure.

Childcare is work. It is labour intensive, draining, time consuming, and often physically demanding.

A family visit is not work. Bringing your children to see their grandmother, spending time together, sharing conversation and affection, that is family life. It is a relationship, not a work shift.

To collapse those into the same category is a false equivalence.

If you dislike your mother so much that visiting her feels like a burden, like work, then of course you definitely do NOT want her to shoulder the burden of your job of parenting. That would be quite mad, imagine wanting your children under the care of a woman you would prefer never to spend time with.

If seeing her is a chore and you consider it a job then asking her to work for you (generally for free) is absurd.

If she wants to see you more often than you can manage that is QUITE another matter, just see her when you can, like normal people do.

But if you love your mother, you will want to see her because she is family, because you enjoy her company, because relationships exist for their own sake.

That bond is not, and should never be, contingent on whether she performs even more physical labour after decades of already doing exactly that.

These are the three coherent possibilities - you visit your mother with the children because you love her and enjoy being together. Otherwise known as normal family life.

The second possiblity is that you do not want a relationship with your mother, in which case you would neither visit nor expect free labour from her.

The third possiblitiy is that your mother freely chooses to provide childcare, which is her decision alone and not something anyone is entitled to demand nor contingent upon anything else.

What is not logically defensible is weaponising access to grandchildren as punishment because she refused unpaid work. That's coercion dressed up badly in sentiment.

It's not complicated - family connection and visits are a relationship. Childcare is labour. These two concepts are not interchangeable, and one should never be made conditional on the other or compared to the other.

And finally those of you who claim the relationship with her grandchildren will be stronger if an exhausted older women is forced to do your job of parenting - maybe. Maybe not. Nobody has the slightest idea of how kids will feel about their grandparents or parents as they grow up and a lot of grandmothers would gladly relinquish a "closer" relationship with their grandchildren if it meant they could put their exhausted feet up after a lifetime of labour, or go out when they want as they want doing what they want, without first running it past their dictator daughters.

So, all of you who keep trying to confuse what is actually a very simple concept with this nonsense - just stop now.

If you are demanding child care from your mother and trying to couch it in any way as anything she "should" do because "reasons", trying to conflate famly visit with her doing unpaid work that she did for decades already - you're an awful person, and are perpetuating the misogyny of treating women like commodities to be shared.

Stop throwing a tantrum, get on with parenting your own kids and visit your mother, or don't. For many of you, not visiting would be doing her a favour.

I am an older woman who is happy to agree to the intensive labour of free childcare a couple of times a week because I choose to. An older woman who would instantly tell you exactly where to go if you ever asserted your entitlement or attempted to tell me what I "should" do with my own precious, irreplaceable and limited time on this earth. An older woman who will decline childcare if I want to, when I want to and be treated respectfully regardless.

Signed - an older woman who is sick of your entitled bullshit. We see you.

Stop it.

OP posts:
saraclara · 15/04/2026 11:27

WutheringTights · 15/04/2026 11:23

Not a threat. A consequence. If someone is never willing to put themselves out even slightly to support me when I need it, then there is clearly no close loving relationship there. In that situation, what on earth would make them think that I’d put myself out to support them?

I say this as someone who never had any support from parents or in-laws even when deep in the trenches with small children and suffering severe burnout from trying to juggle it all with a demanding full time job. I’m now supporting my elderly MIL as she needs care. I see her 2-3 times a month. I know that she’s lonely and would like to see me more, but she never supported me when I needed it. I never asked for childcare, I was willing to pay for that, but she never even came round for a cup of tea and some company when I desperately needed some human contact immediately post-partum, or offered to make me a slice of toast when I had a Velcro baby, or offered a hand when I was grieving the death of a close relative. To see more of her would require me to sacrifice the very small amount of time I get to myself. She invested literally nothing in a relationship with me when she was well so I’m not willing to make sacrifices for her when she was unwilling to do literally anything for me. A consequence.

Did you actually ask her to do any of those things? Out did you want her to read your mind?

MustardGlass · 15/04/2026 11:27

Child care is also not the occasional babysitting. My parents have essentially disappeared only to reappear when my children are late teenagers now that they themselves need help. That’s not nice. If you didn’t offer anything don’t expect anything. I will not be doing childcare but definitely will be available for babysitting or anything else my children need from me.

ThatFairy · 15/04/2026 11:27

I won't mind watching GC, I just don't want to be on a rota for childcare like it's a job

ProjectHailMary · 15/04/2026 11:33

Terfymcnamechange · 15/04/2026 11:24

I'm chuckling to myself about this post.

OP: women are people and not just servants to others and should not be guilt tripped or expected to care for others, like grandchildren.

replies: Yeah, same with their daughters, they shouldn't be guilt tripped into caring for their parents or inlaws, they aren't servants, they are people too.

OP (and others): 😮😡😡😡

Absolutely.

Cognitive dissonance 101!

AprilMizzel · 15/04/2026 11:35

matresense · 15/04/2026 11:13

@AprilMizzelthis is very familiar!

What arguments about childcare or so many in short space of time?

I supposed when two incomes are needed kids are had and paid for childcare is extremely expensive - you get arguements about it like any resouces/task or you don't get the kids at all.

See similar with elder care - everyone runs away or argues who should do it as it's expensive and time and energy consuming and can adverly affect carers health. But from older relatives being in hospitals it is expected there is family to advocate - as staff are overworked and things get overlooked.

In both cases flexible working or ablity to timetable NHS appointments at convient time would make a massive difference but always reasons not to. Many things that could help there are arguments against doing.

I think it a structural issue that even governements expect women and their unpaid labour to plug the holes and as parental age ever increases due to economics and old age care increasingly collides with it and it's now expected women work full time or need to that increasingly can't be done and many are seeing other crumble under that weight are saying err no.

ChefsKisser · 15/04/2026 11:35

finding a community that has a (not universal but significant) attitude of hostility and disdain for the generation that are currently mums

This. I am fed up of being called entitled just because I'm under the age of 40. We stayed with grandparents every school holidays and regularly at weekends. We both work full time just to survive, pay a fortune in wraparound care, insanely high mortgage and paying off student loans. My parents lives were infiniately easier- mum was PT, had a cleaner and a nanny, lots of childcare help. My parents are fab and do help but given how lucky they've been I'd be really upset if they refused to help us- ever! Just on principle. Just as we helped them sort their garden for a full weekend, helped with my grandma when she was unwell, looked after cousins kids when she was hospitalised suddenly. Everyone keeps saying it shouldnt be transactional which is kind of true but also all relationships are give and take. I wouldnt prioritise my paretns if they made a big song and dance from the start that they had no interest in any childcare. Luckily my parents adore all their grandkids and love having them from time to time (NOT day in day out they ask to have them in the school hols!).

wfhwfh · 15/04/2026 11:36

I largely agree with what you say.

However, I disagree that it is irrelevant if a grandmother had support herself with raising her children.

My mother was always very clear with us that she would not provide regular childcare and I fully agree with her position. She provides the same level of occasional babysitting that my own grandmother did for me. She owes me nothing more.

However, if my own grandmother had provided childcare for us whilst she worked and my mother then refused to do the same for her own children, I would not feel the same respect for her position.

I do think family sacrifices should be “paid on” in future. So I think the parents today who benefit from free grandparent childcare SHOULD be willing to provide the same to their own children in future. And if they are not - why are they taking this from their own parents? I think this is hugely disrespectful to the grandparent’s sacrifice which - i imagine in most circumstances - was made just as much for the grandchild’s benefit as the child’s.

saraclara · 15/04/2026 11:37

Terfymcnamechange · 15/04/2026 10:53

The 'blackmail and threats' people are really outing themselves here as people who feel entitled to the labour of their children (who didn't choose to be born) supporting them and visiting them in their old age, and are outraged at the suggestion that this might not happen, or that they should morally help others if they expect help themselves

It's just come to mind that in my own case and in that of my friends (we're all on the cusp of needing some help, in my case because I live alone and some tasks around the house need a second person to be done safely or at all), it's not the adult child that we help/ed with childcare who steps up, it's the child-free one.

Of course everyone's going to say 'well they're the ones with the time to help' which I get, in my case*, but it kind of blows up the 'if they help us, we'll help them' thing that's constantly trotted out.

*But I have two friends for whom that doesn't apply. For both of them, the offspring that they gave up their retirement or job for in order to do childcare, are now very much available, but it's still the child free or single one who steps up.

So yes, I suspect that grandparents who make life easier for their kids, aren't necessarily going to reap any reward.

Youlittlenightmare · 15/04/2026 11:38

Youlittlenightmare · 15/04/2026 02:58

Posting in AIBU for traction, not because I think I'm wrong - I know I'm right in fact :) But this is where many of the grabby, problematic mumsnetters turn up to have a whinge and make false arguments. So this is for all of you.

And let’s be clear, if you're a grandmother who genuinely loves caring for your grandchildren, good for you. This thread is not for or about you. If your own mother happily provides childcare and truly enjoys it, lovely. This thread is not or or about you either.

This is about dismantling a stubborn and deeply illogical belief that if a grandmother declines the burden of childcare, she somehow forfeits the right to see her grandchildren.

No one is owed childcare from their mother. End.

It does not matter whether she had help when raising you, other people’s sacrifices are not items on a balance sheet for you to cash in later. Older women are not public utilities, nor are their remaining years a communal resource to be allocated by their adult children. They are human beings with dignity, autonomy, and the absolute right to say no for any reason whatsoever.

They have already done the work. They raised their children. Their duty is complete.

But what is especially irritating is how often two completely separate things are deliberately conflated with the dreary refrain of “Well then she can’t expect visits from the grandchildren.”

This is a logical failure.

Childcare is work. It is labour intensive, draining, time consuming, and often physically demanding.

A family visit is not work. Bringing your children to see their grandmother, spending time together, sharing conversation and affection, that is family life. It is a relationship, not a work shift.

To collapse those into the same category is a false equivalence.

If you dislike your mother so much that visiting her feels like a burden, like work, then of course you definitely do NOT want her to shoulder the burden of your job of parenting. That would be quite mad, imagine wanting your children under the care of a woman you would prefer never to spend time with.

If seeing her is a chore and you consider it a job then asking her to work for you (generally for free) is absurd.

If she wants to see you more often than you can manage that is QUITE another matter, just see her when you can, like normal people do.

But if you love your mother, you will want to see her because she is family, because you enjoy her company, because relationships exist for their own sake.

That bond is not, and should never be, contingent on whether she performs even more physical labour after decades of already doing exactly that.

These are the three coherent possibilities - you visit your mother with the children because you love her and enjoy being together. Otherwise known as normal family life.

The second possiblity is that you do not want a relationship with your mother, in which case you would neither visit nor expect free labour from her.

The third possiblitiy is that your mother freely chooses to provide childcare, which is her decision alone and not something anyone is entitled to demand nor contingent upon anything else.

What is not logically defensible is weaponising access to grandchildren as punishment because she refused unpaid work. That's coercion dressed up badly in sentiment.

It's not complicated - family connection and visits are a relationship. Childcare is labour. These two concepts are not interchangeable, and one should never be made conditional on the other or compared to the other.

And finally those of you who claim the relationship with her grandchildren will be stronger if an exhausted older women is forced to do your job of parenting - maybe. Maybe not. Nobody has the slightest idea of how kids will feel about their grandparents or parents as they grow up and a lot of grandmothers would gladly relinquish a "closer" relationship with their grandchildren if it meant they could put their exhausted feet up after a lifetime of labour, or go out when they want as they want doing what they want, without first running it past their dictator daughters.

So, all of you who keep trying to confuse what is actually a very simple concept with this nonsense - just stop now.

If you are demanding child care from your mother and trying to couch it in any way as anything she "should" do because "reasons", trying to conflate famly visit with her doing unpaid work that she did for decades already - you're an awful person, and are perpetuating the misogyny of treating women like commodities to be shared.

Stop throwing a tantrum, get on with parenting your own kids and visit your mother, or don't. For many of you, not visiting would be doing her a favour.

I am an older woman who is happy to agree to the intensive labour of free childcare a couple of times a week because I choose to. An older woman who would instantly tell you exactly where to go if you ever asserted your entitlement or attempted to tell me what I "should" do with my own precious, irreplaceable and limited time on this earth. An older woman who will decline childcare if I want to, when I want to and be treated respectfully regardless.

Signed - an older woman who is sick of your entitled bullshit. We see you.

Stop it.

176 likes/agreements so far. Lovely :) haven''t bothered reading any replies since page 2, because as I said then there is no rational or reasonable argument that can be made against what I said and everything was covered in the original post.

No point in letting those who are deliberately lying, or grossly entitled, get a rise from me - so I won't :)

The reason for posting was simple - you're not getting away with abusing your mothers like this, decent people see through you and everyone around you is thinking more or less what I am thinking whenever you start to flap your entitled gums.

And I want you to know that.

I am delighted to see such overwhelming support for my commonsense, fair and reasonable post.

It seems the majority sees through the dictator daughters' manipulative emotional blackmail and attempts to make false comparisons as just what it is - vicious coercion dressed up as sentiment.

Good. Attached a screenshot of the upvotes, let's see if it gets through.

Ciao - and thanks for all the support. Might check back tomorrow to see if the likes continue to climb :)

Stop being grabby and entitled and using false arguments to try to turn your mother into your servants
OP posts:
Gemtastic · 15/04/2026 11:39

ProjectHailMary · 15/04/2026 11:16

Family extends beyond your own children. It’s perfectly normal and a natural human instinct for anybody who isn’t dead inside to want to help and support wider family as much as is viable. This is natural human instinct and how human society has evolved to be over tens of thousands of years, always was in the UK and still is in the vast majority of the world. It is something quite unique to the specific current cohort of pensioners that such a large proportion of them are so entitled and self-absorbed that they do not recognise this basic and enduring part of what family is which is an inherent aspects of human nature. Such views have never been so prevalent in any of the generations before or after them. The same kind of attitude is frequently shown by this same cohort in other aspects of public life beyond family as well. It’s quite an interesting phenomenon from an anthropological perspective, but obviously not nice for the wider family (or society) which suffers as a result of this quite extreme narcissism uniquely prevalent in this cohort.

It’s ridiculous for posters to be simultaneously claiming their children with full time jobs and caring responsibilities don’t visit them regularly enough in their very minimal free time (which generally isn’t “free” at all due to all of the housework/ general life admin/ washing/ homework/ playdates/ clubs/ activities/ birthday parties etc. etc. that they need to get done at weekends on top of, you know, maybe getting to spend some time relaxing at home very occasionally with their own children?) and refusing to do anything whatsoever to ease the burden on the parents even during these visits to them and calling spending time with their own grandchildren “childcare”. Expecting the parents, after a long working week, to pack up all the things kids need to stay elsewhere, transport tired kids to the grandparents’ house, have to settle them to stay in a different environment so neither the parents or children sleep well, have no rest and be constantly expected to interact with both the children and the grandparents who have demanded to see them and entertain everyone, comply with the grandparents’ preferred whims and schedule, have them complaining if you leave the room temporarily even to go to the toilet and wailing that “we didn’t say we’d do childcare!” because you weren’t in the same room supervising everything for half a minute, and then to need to drive home and unpack everything again and settle the children back at home then start the next working week, now massively behind with housework and everything else and totally exhausted. And simultaneously these same grandparents claiming that they “don’t get to see their grandchildren enough”.

I’ve even had mine demand I spend chunks of my annual leave to go and stay in their house and visit them with my children (who hate going there, because they’ve never bothered to develop an independent relationship with my children at all) - as a lone parent with 13 weeks of school holidays to cover from 6 weeks per year of annual leave, and getting far too little quality time with my children myself (which my children state themselves they want more of, something they never say about time with their grandparents…).

This is the natural consequence of them being selfish, entitled people who aren’t pleasant for any of us to be around: none of us enjoy visiting them and it is exhausting and therefore isn’t something we want to do very often. It is a situation they have created from their own behaviour. Ultimately, you reap what you sow. If you make spending time with you very unpleasant and exhausting and show no love or care for your family members and explicitly tell them that you consider spending time with them or providing any type of support (emotional, practical etc.) to be a “burden” that shouldn’t be placed on you and you view family relationships in a cold and transactional manner, then you can hardly complain when they eventually give up on trying to have a normal, loving family relationship with you where people want to help each other due to genuine affection, and start to treat you in a similar manner. You can’t have it both ways.

Brilliant post.

It’s really not all people of that generation. As I said earlier I know lots of people my age who do help out and have great relationships with their children and grandchildren. They don’t sit at home expecting to be visited and made a fuss of; they remember how difficult it is with small children.

My parents didn’t help me when I was in the trenches with little ones plus working. They thought they just had to do the minimum in the same way as they were as parents: despite having a lot of support from siblings, friends and their own parents when we were little they didn’t take us out and about or show interest in our lives. I did take them to appointments and help out in their elder years as I’m not a monster. But I certainly didn’t go the extra mile because they didn’t even do the bare minimum to support me either practically or emotionally and I didn’t have a bond with them.

Selfish people with probably have children who equally do duty visits and help out when necessary. But they won’t feel that warm feeling of wanting to care for their parents that those who’ve had loving and supportive parents would have.

EstherGreenwood63 · 15/04/2026 11:42

@WearyAuldWumman I am SO sorry you and your dh were treated like that. Sadly many people are awful, selfish arseholes who go on to raise the same. 💐

CherryViper · 15/04/2026 11:43

Both sets of our parents got a huge amount of help from our grandparents, both mothers stayed home.

We got no support with childcare or babysitting. Parents mad either clear they were not prepared to help, they had raised their family. Not even when I was in hospital, seriously ill. We are not close because of them.

My other half and I worked full time, DC had a lot of activities and parties at the weekend. We were not keeping the DC away from GPs. If we didn't arrange visits, they would never have seen them. Fitting in a visit for parents to sit on the sofa and not interact was not a priority. We did it because we felt it was important to foster a relationship.

They are becoming frail and elderly and would like a lot of support and attention. We are not close because of their attitudes and actions. This is a consequence, not a punishment.

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 15/04/2026 11:43

Youlittlenightmare · 15/04/2026 11:38

176 likes/agreements so far. Lovely :) haven''t bothered reading any replies since page 2, because as I said then there is no rational or reasonable argument that can be made against what I said and everything was covered in the original post.

No point in letting those who are deliberately lying, or grossly entitled, get a rise from me - so I won't :)

The reason for posting was simple - you're not getting away with abusing your mothers like this, decent people see through you and everyone around you is thinking more or less what I am thinking whenever you start to flap your entitled gums.

And I want you to know that.

I am delighted to see such overwhelming support for my commonsense, fair and reasonable post.

It seems the majority sees through the dictator daughters' manipulative emotional blackmail and attempts to make false comparisons as just what it is - vicious coercion dressed up as sentiment.

Good. Attached a screenshot of the upvotes, let's see if it gets through.

Ciao - and thanks for all the support. Might check back tomorrow to see if the likes continue to climb :)

Edited

Your self confidence is formidable.

I'm not concerned about your opinions either way, I am interested in your data collection methods though.

Have you counted individual posts/posters disagreeing with your hypothesis? Also posts/posters agreeing?

Your method lacks scientific credibility. Not that I need scientific credibility to disagree with you.

I have the advantage of not needing you or others to agree with me to feel confident in my beliefs, but I'm happy for you that you've got your (unscientific) ego boost from this thread.

cadburyegg · 15/04/2026 11:45

My own parents had no family support or help nearby. If my parents wanted to go out, unless I happened to be at a friend’s house that night they paid babysitters. I don’t understand this entitlement to significant family support. It is not just a few hours, a full day’s childcare is 10 hours!. I am extremely lucky that my mum helps me now, (because she wants to/offers) but I am extremely careful not to take advantage or ask too much. I would not ask her now to look after both of my kids all day. I am an only child, so my children are the only grandchildren. I see people I know have their parents run ragged looking after multiple grandchildren. One friend expects her own mum to look after 2 SEN kids and a puppy every school holiday now, and then complains when her mum drops the ball on something or can’t cope.

That being said, I found that my ex in laws were completely oblivious to the issues faced by working parents because they never had to worry about childcare themselves. My exh used to say he was brought up by his grandparents. Before and after school every day, every day in the school holidays, he was with his grandparents. I don’t think my ex in laws ever took a day off with him unless they were going on holiday.

A lot of people moaning also could easily afford to pay for childcare, they just don’t want to

rainingsnoring · 15/04/2026 11:46

Unfortunately, I don't think your rant will change anyone's behaviour @Youlittlenightmare. You just sound angry, resentful and pretty silly. You could have conveyed the same message in a much better way.

Of course, there are some parents who are selfish and entitled and some grandparents who are selfish and entitled. Most people can identify these people. At the end of the day, those who enable them (the kind but exhausted GPs and the kind but exhausted sons and daughters) need to learn to draw their own personal boundaries too.

DeftGoldHedgehog · 15/04/2026 11:46

Youlittlenightmare · 15/04/2026 03:33

Yes, I have seen it too. The misogyny and frankly the cruelty of some of these threads, and these adult daughters, is truly disturbing. I have seen it too, one older woman I knew, my kids were still in school, she was parenting her two grandchildren for all drop offs and pick ups and after school care - from too separate daughters. At 60 that wasn't too bad. The years rolled on. By 70 she looked absolutely defeated and depressed. She didn't dare speak up. It was appalling.

And the financial situation you mentioned - that's just next level entitlement.

These adult women should be deeply ashamed of themselves and I hope their declining years are as miserable and burdensome as they deserve.

Edited

The 70 year old involved is also an adult women, capable of words and speech and independent decision making? Isn't it a bit ageist of you to imagine that they ae vulnerable and can't say anything to their daughters or manage expectations? Why are they martyring themselves, are they stupid? @Youlittlenightmare

Why is it only this monster "adult daughters" which applies? And what about sons, have they no say in their children? No of course not, because a woman's place is in the wrong.

Fucking shite ragebait threads.

Thechaseison71 · 15/04/2026 11:48

TiredDinosaur · 15/04/2026 04:27

All these grandparents refusing to help, I'm interested to know if you worked during raising your own kids or if you were a housewife that stayed home ?

I very rarely do childcare for grandkids. I was working full time from when my eldest was 13 weeks old Are you trying to prove a point somewhere

Terfymcnamechange · 15/04/2026 11:49

Youlittlenightmare · 15/04/2026 11:38

176 likes/agreements so far. Lovely :) haven''t bothered reading any replies since page 2, because as I said then there is no rational or reasonable argument that can be made against what I said and everything was covered in the original post.

No point in letting those who are deliberately lying, or grossly entitled, get a rise from me - so I won't :)

The reason for posting was simple - you're not getting away with abusing your mothers like this, decent people see through you and everyone around you is thinking more or less what I am thinking whenever you start to flap your entitled gums.

And I want you to know that.

I am delighted to see such overwhelming support for my commonsense, fair and reasonable post.

It seems the majority sees through the dictator daughters' manipulative emotional blackmail and attempts to make false comparisons as just what it is - vicious coercion dressed up as sentiment.

Good. Attached a screenshot of the upvotes, let's see if it gets through.

Ciao - and thanks for all the support. Might check back tomorrow to see if the likes continue to climb :)

Edited

You sound delightful 🤣🤣

Suspect your daughter is dodging a massive bullet here

Vivi0 · 15/04/2026 11:50

ForCosyLion · 15/04/2026 07:00

Family relationships are transactional and people who don't provide childcare for grandchildren can't expect their kids to help them in old age??? 😱 Man, that is COLD!

Is it cold, though?

Surely, you can’t take the view that childcare is labour, but that elder care is not?

crawlingovertheline · 15/04/2026 11:51

Can there be an equivalent thread from elderly who receive care from their families?

I, for one, believe a family is best when it pulls together for the common good. That means grandchildren helping their grandparents, those who are best bringing in the money to do that, those who are physically capable of fixing stuff, doing that.

Personally I like the team approach- it’s amazing what a group of people can do if they pull together.

ProjectHailMary · 15/04/2026 11:51

Youlittlenightmare · 15/04/2026 11:38

176 likes/agreements so far. Lovely :) haven''t bothered reading any replies since page 2, because as I said then there is no rational or reasonable argument that can be made against what I said and everything was covered in the original post.

No point in letting those who are deliberately lying, or grossly entitled, get a rise from me - so I won't :)

The reason for posting was simple - you're not getting away with abusing your mothers like this, decent people see through you and everyone around you is thinking more or less what I am thinking whenever you start to flap your entitled gums.

And I want you to know that.

I am delighted to see such overwhelming support for my commonsense, fair and reasonable post.

It seems the majority sees through the dictator daughters' manipulative emotional blackmail and attempts to make false comparisons as just what it is - vicious coercion dressed up as sentiment.

Good. Attached a screenshot of the upvotes, let's see if it gets through.

Ciao - and thanks for all the support. Might check back tomorrow to see if the likes continue to climb :)

Edited

You consider spending time with your grandchildren “abuse”.

YOU are the one who is “grossly entitled”, by the sounds of it expecting your children to submit to your demands and convenience and whims when they are in a very demanding period of life raising children and presumably also working, yet you feel entitled to demand that they visit you on your terms and use their little bit of free time to facilitate this to your convenience so you don’t have to lift a finger to actually look after your own grandchildren in any way during the time they are there.

“Disney grandma”, basically, so you can act the part without actually making any effort to build any relationship with your grandchildren as individual people, probably take some posed photos with them forcing smiles next to you to show your friends and boast about things to which you have contributed precisely nothing at all, other than additional demands on your already tired children.

The fact you call other people “grossly entitled” then state you haven’t even bothered to read their responses to the post that YOU made shows quite an extreme level of cognitive dissonance. The tone and attitude displayed in your posts is one of the most supremely entitled and self-absorbed I’ve ever read on Mumsnet, which is quite an achievement.

Ultimately, you really shouldn’t be surprised if visits and contact becomes less and less frequent and you’ll have only yourself to blame for this because you certainly don’t come across as a supportive or kind person which people would enjoy putting themselves out frequently, to the extent you have stated that you demand from them, in order to spend time with you when you seem to be offering very little love or kindness in return, or even basic respect or empathy. If you treat your family as though they are a “burden” and consider any support for them to be an unacceptable “obligation” that you reject, if you speak to them in anything remotely resembling the language you have used in posts on this thread, then you can’t be surprised if they distance themselves from you and consider your demands on them to be a “burden” as well and an unacceptable obligation that in time they are likely to also reject. You can’t expect loving and caring family relationships to prosper if you treat your family members with such contempt.

As I said above (but you have stated you didn’t bother to read, like the comments of so many other posters who have taken the trouble to respond to you), ultimately you will reap what you sow.

VeraWang · 15/04/2026 11:52

crawlingovertheline · 15/04/2026 11:51

Can there be an equivalent thread from elderly who receive care from their families?

I, for one, believe a family is best when it pulls together for the common good. That means grandchildren helping their grandparents, those who are best bringing in the money to do that, those who are physically capable of fixing stuff, doing that.

Personally I like the team approach- it’s amazing what a group of people can do if they pull together.

Can there be an equivalent thread from elderly who receive care from their families?

Of course there can if you want to start one?

ProjectHailMary · 15/04/2026 11:52

Vivi0 · 15/04/2026 11:50

Is it cold, though?

Surely, you can’t take the view that childcare is labour, but that elder care is not?

Hahahaaaa ok, enlighten us on your rationale for that?

AprilMizzel · 15/04/2026 11:52

you're not getting away with abusing your mothers like this, decent people see through you and everyone around you is thinking more or less what I am thinking whenever you start to flap your entitled gums.
And I want you to know that.

If you are being pressure into doing unwanted childcare use your words and say no.

If you are upset your friends are doing childcare not hanging out with you - they may actually want to do this and even if they don't they need to speak to their adult children and even if they moan to you they may actually just enjoy moaning rather than be upset.

I got no help with childcare at all but would have still liked have liked a closer realtionship with my parents and our kids like IL managed despite no childcare from them either. My parents chose otherwise and I couldn't bridge that gap alone and the consquence of that is they have a very distant relationship with my kids.

OVienna · 15/04/2026 11:53

Youlittlenightmare · 15/04/2026 11:38

176 likes/agreements so far. Lovely :) haven''t bothered reading any replies since page 2, because as I said then there is no rational or reasonable argument that can be made against what I said and everything was covered in the original post.

No point in letting those who are deliberately lying, or grossly entitled, get a rise from me - so I won't :)

The reason for posting was simple - you're not getting away with abusing your mothers like this, decent people see through you and everyone around you is thinking more or less what I am thinking whenever you start to flap your entitled gums.

And I want you to know that.

I am delighted to see such overwhelming support for my commonsense, fair and reasonable post.

It seems the majority sees through the dictator daughters' manipulative emotional blackmail and attempts to make false comparisons as just what it is - vicious coercion dressed up as sentiment.

Good. Attached a screenshot of the upvotes, let's see if it gets through.

Ciao - and thanks for all the support. Might check back tomorrow to see if the likes continue to climb :)

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Let's see if @ProjectHailMary 's post gets as many.

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