Benefits v Defence Lord Robertson

[Wednesdayschild87]

Lord Robertson’s Speech… seriously does anyone care?? He’s laid out the fact that as a nation we can’t carry on like this… he said we can’t afford to keep throwing money at benefits whilst leaving our country defences I’m actually shocked no one has come out and spoken on this matter before. I’m incredulous.

Migraine, vertigo, certain hearing problems (I have auditory processing disorder which because of the nature of the condition, doesn't show up on hearing tests)

Mental health professionsls involved on your care ,visits to crisis team etc.

Look, are you trying to say that it's impossible to fake MH problem? or perceive normal life challenges as MH crisis? that's why I'm saying it will take some time, but it's definitely doable within a year to get all evidences.

I don't think anyone's saying that. But it's not as simple to get evidence, etc

Migraine, vertigo, certain hearing problems don't require extra payments though, do they?

it is simple. Just requires a bit of persistence and spending some time online to learn.

It depends how they affect you. At some point, I was having vertigo plus migraine which meant I couldn't even stand.

Please do it and tell me how you get on. When I was having mental health problems, I couldn't even get an appointment with a psychiatrist for months

So you think mental health professionals are thick then and dont know when somones faking it ?
I find that pretty insulting tbh as a former mental health nurse

They can. PIP and DLA aren't based on diagnoses but the way they affect your ability to live your life.

This is what the trash media want you to believe... that all people claiming for MH are swinging the lead. You have fallen for their lies.

I hope it’s ok by you if those of us who have little to no chance of getting better can stay on benefits….. which I would assume is a very large proportion of those on benefits. I have ME/CFS (amongst other things). There is no treatment for it.

I’d assume the long term disabled were the least likely to come off disability benefits too. Unless someone’s suggesting we get Jesus back to stay healing the sick, I’m not sure what this person thinks the cure will be for many of these disabilities 🤦🏻‍♀️

Yes, not every disability is curable given that it is congenital, lifelong, and likely to degenerate...

Again, all of this is immaterial. A thought exercise but what would happen if every person woke up tomorrow with CFS?

Future governments might not be ok with it 🤷‍♀️

That is my fear.

That seems like a pointless exercise because it won’t happen.

It won’t but an ever increasing number of benefits recipients, and people out of work due to disability, is happening. So looking at where we are now, and the scenario I just mentioned, at what point between here and there do we do something?

My sister who I was close to claimed PIP with lots of help from well meaning people from the local community groups and others who had successful applications and only had her GP letter with her numerous mentions of anxiety over a number of years and a letter from my dad. She was awarded PIP at c£500 a month.

well it’s massive task to turn things around. We’re in the situation we’re in now due to decades of under investment.

massive increase in spending in the NHS, funding into research into illnesses and conditions that are causing people to be chronically ill (eg doctors know virtually nothing about ME/CFS, so there is no treatment and most people who have it are too ill to work - and it’s not rare), public heath work to improve people’s diet and exercise habits, reduce obesity and reduce dangerous habits such as smoking, vaping, alcoholism, gambling etc.

Incentivise employers to take on disabled people.

Support people when they are on long term sick leave.

Offer highly individualized support to get back to work. And don’t make people wait months and montbs for support like they do now with the Access to Work
Scheme. Process each application within a month rather than many months.

All of which costs billions, which we don't have or aren't willing to tax for....

....& would mean an even smaller defence budget

Never going to happen.

Then I'm not sure what is expected from those who are either genuinely long term disabled and can't work or can't work because they have a disabled child.

What are we supposed to do?

I know. But how else can we reverse the trend
of people getting sick and being too ill to work? It’s clearly not going to happen without intervention. The pandemic has made it so much worse.