Benefits v Defence Lord Robertson

[Wednesdayschild87]

Lord Robertson’s Speech… seriously does anyone care?? He’s laid out the fact that as a nation we can’t carry on like this… he said we can’t afford to keep throwing money at benefits whilst leaving our country defences I’m actually shocked no one has come out and spoken on this matter before. I’m incredulous.

Sorry, I think you've misunderstood my comment. It was a sarcastic reply to the person who clearly thinks it is easy to obtain benefits. I very much object to that (ignorant) mindset.

I think the state pension should be means tested.

Child benefit on top of 2 x £49k salaries is a shit load more that £12k annual pension !

This with bells on. Though I suspect it will be like water off a duck's back...

At this point I can't believe this poster is genuine. Even the most anti benefits people surely wouldn't have that attitude to someone potentially ending their own life because of their illness.

Child benefit for one child is £1406.60/year. Two children is £2337.40. Even for ten children it's £9783.80.

We're not talking about household income. We're talking about the cost of providing the benefits they receive on top of their household income.

For many people who develop severe and enduring mental illness,s the symptons start to emerge around late teens early twenties.

We are the 11th largest manufacturer in the world and manufacturing contributes to 40% of our exports.

Have you honestly never heard of BAe, Rolls-Royce, AstraZeneca, Unilever, JLR?

£12k would be nice! DH, 80, paid NI contributions both employed and self employed from age 15. His state pension is under £10K. About twice as much as mine. I wish people would realise there are two different state pension rates.

Men born before April 1945 required 44 qualifying years for the basic amount, which is currently £184.90. Then it dropped down to 30 years. New state pension rate, 35 years contributions, £241.30.

www.moneysavingexpert.com/pensions/state-pensions/#what

They have to rely on families then. Or pick fruits. And this has to be communicated widely so society understands that there is no option to be funded by taxpayer your entire lifetime. Unless severely disabled.

UK is one of the very few countries which "pays" for disabilities. It's not something available in other OECD countries. They provide equipment, treatments, etc, but not cash payments. This drives behavior.

Goring-by-Sea benefit cheat Catherine Wieland caught ziplining in Mexico - BBC News
There are plenty of examples like this and thanks to SM a lot of people jump on this bandwagon.

Not a single person ever proposed cutting benefits for truly disabled, those who cannot do any physical or professional work, but criteria definitely has to be reviewed.

They did this with pip. They claimed the truly disabled wouldn't be affected. But so many have gone to tribunal and won

Quick Google... Canada, Italy, France and Germany give payments for disabilities, how else would they live?

Germany pays significantly more than we ever would, dependent on previous employment input.
France over 1000 euros per month.

I expect i would find most countries do....

However, the thread has completely gone off topic and become just another pile on against the disabled and nothing to do with increased Defence spending, which will require tax increases because thats the only way we can fund defence in the timescale that is required.
We could also be looking at some sort of Defence Bond, bought, with a guaranteed return to fund our countries defence.

Money is needed now, not in 5 or 10 years time.

In which case they need to further tighten. We have the equivalent of the entire population of Scotland on disability benefits.

Assessed by who. My neighbour only had to have his GP assess him. He is meant to have such bad anxiety he cannot leave his house so therefore cannot possibly work. Strange then that he leaves his house every day to go shopping, walk his dogs, see his girlfriend etc and best of all WORK cash in hand. So getting benefits he is not entitled to and not paying tax or NI

Say you have such bad anxiety you can't leave your house so cannot work. Undoubtedly your GP will back you up.

That's what my neighbour said 4 years ago and yet he leaves his house just about every day - shopping, dog walking, going out with his girlfriend and working cash in hand 4 or 5 days a week!!!!

PIP dont take GP evidence very seriously
They would be wanting to see evidence from mental health professionals.

Hmm I always wonder how people know so much about their neighbours medical issues? Sure I know my neighbour has PTSD and she knows I have dual sensory loss. But that's all. We don't know the ins and outs like other posters supposedly do

Agree, everyone on MN seems to know not only the full health history of their neighbours/relatives/mums in the playground but also their benefit status and ins and outs of their bank account. Which, if I were committing fraud, I'd probably keep quiet.

I hope you've reported him for fraud then.

People don't qualify for disability related benefits based solely on the word of a GP who has had a patient tell them a bit of info about their condition. Anyone who believes that is either completely ignorant or playing the faux naive card. There are extensive medical assessments and evidence required and it is extremely difficult to be awarded things like LCW/LCWRA, PIP, ADP etc for mental health reasons.

Don't be coming here with your facts. People want to believe the shite they read in the DM/FB/MN etc so they can feel superior to those fraudulent lazy UC and PIP claimants.

My answer is that these asylum seekers should be investigated and returned to their country of origin within 7 days

Gay, trans whatever are not reasons to be given asylum in the UK. Cheerio folks.
Returning people quickly will also discourage others from coming to the UK.

There are way too many people profiting from the asylum industry to ever let it stop. Lawyers profiting from handling their cases, landlord profiting from taking their government paid rent, the smugglers profiting from sending them over. Not to mention a lot of politicians and other professionals have investments in property which is inflated because of all this. It won't stop until there's no one left to contribute the tax used to pay for them.