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AIBU not to let my mum come and 'help' when the baby is born?

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SarahAndQuack · 11/04/2026 07:40

I'm not being unreasonable, am I? I

I'm 7 months pregnant, single mum by choice. I do not have an enormous support network but I do have multiple friends/family members who've offered help in the immediate period after the baby is born. My mum, who is 70, keeps steamrollering me with insistance she will come up to 'look after' me. I have repeatedly said while I understand she'd love to come and see the baby, I do not need or want her to come to look after me. I think we have hit crunch time.

I have a difficult relationship with my mum, who is pretty awful to me; it is (very, very partially) redeemed by the fact that when my ex (female) was pregnant with DD (9) and when DD was tiny, she was surprisingly thoughtful and good. A year ago, we arranged to go on holiday together. We've just got back, and woah, was it a mistake. I was apprenehsive because both my brothers had had incidents of our parents badly overstepping with their children this past year. This holiday made me feel I really don't want either parent (but it'd be my mum) around immediately after the baby is born, because if this holiday is anything to go by, she thinks 'looking after me' would be carte blanche to be an absolute controlling nightmare. Reasons (minor and grating to more major):

There is a constant, low-level undermining. Some of this is framed as jokes and some of it as flares of temper, but it's never excused. Examples of jokes would be, I mentioned in passing that my NCT group had been talking about our different careers and someone commented on an aspect of mine, and my mum instantly giggled and said 'be careful - they might believe you really do that job!' They've started doing it with my daughter too - big grins while they tell her how naughty she is or what a pain she is, and while it sounds as if it could be family banter, it's done in a way that isn't funny, and when I tell them so (repeatedly), they take no notice.

There are moments when they are disproportionately angry to be contradicted. Eg., we went round a museum with my DD. She was excited by part of it and wanted to dash and look, and my dad wanted to read and explain every display to her (she can read). I said, thinking it was no big deal, 'it doesn't matter if she doesn't understand everything'. My mum snapped, furiously, 'yes, it does matter!' They really wanted to explain everything to her in detail and were genuinely offended that she was interested in working things out for herself. I have memories of them doing this when I was a child and it was deadly dull - we'd spend hours while they tediously extracted every grain of what they considered to be educational content from an experience, with no interest in seeing what I thought of it. I let DD do her own thing and they were manifestly seething about it - it wasn't just a minor annoyance to be brushed off. This sort of thing happened repeatedly, whenever DD or I wanted to do something slightly different from what they imagined was 'right,' even if it was getting a drink for a tired child or me saying I didn't want to walk further.

During the holiday, my lovely neighbour rang to say our cat had been hit by a car; she was taking it to the emergency vets. DD was understandably upset (so was I!), and we got an awkward 'sorry' from my parents who then began discussing the way rabbits zig-zagged over the road in front of their car (?!). Neighbour subsequently rang to say the cat had died at the vet's; my parents saw me take this call and didn't react. A couple of days later I commented to my mum that DD was finding it hard, and my mum said in surprise 'oh, did the cat die?' and then moved on. In the car, they nearly hit a pheasant and started a conversation about they're silly birds and I wonder why they get hit so often? I had to tell them to stop, and again, they were totally surprised it might be upsetting or inappropriate.

The last straw was my mum suddenly asked if she was insured to drive my car (I'm insured on theirs, for various reasons). I said no. She said 'it might be useful'. Not wanting to be rude (her driving is awful and there's absolutely no need for her to drive my car), I said I thought she might find it tricky to drive (she hates swapping cars and finds it extremely difficult). She shouted, angrily, 'well you will find I HAVE to be!' It is clear this is part of her thinking she will come up to 'look after' me and a baby. I repeated that there was absolutely no need; I don't plan to need someone driving my car and I have plans for when the baby is born.

I really think their behaviour is batshit. But it's so hard to know because you could 'explain away' so much of it if you saw just that little bit in isolation. My mum clearly imagines I'm going to call her in labour and she'll drive up; I've said repeatedly I don't intend to do this. But would I be unreasonable to get the birth out of the way and then tell her a time she can visit, afterwards, making clear it's a visit not 'coming to help'.

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Elsvieta · 11/04/2026 15:57

Have you actually said, in so many words, "No, I am not going to let you come and stay with me after the birth"? If she's going to kick off, might as well get it over with and give her time to get used to the idea.

Loobyloot · 11/04/2026 17:15

Just to say, I have a MIL who seems like the loveliest person in the world to those who meet her, but 22 years of having a tiny weeny almost unnoticeable criticism in every conversation has left me almost unable to speak to her, or speak to my DH or DCs in front of her because of it, I get how it is difficult to convey how bad it is. I would defiantly look into some sort of paid help if you're able to afford it, but definitely have a lovely time just with baby and DD.

Maray1967 · 11/04/2026 18:16

SarahAndQuack · 11/04/2026 15:04

I think it's a mixture of just honestly not thinking about it - a sort 'well we're not hungry so why would anyone else be?' logic - and a very rigid 'this child has been naughty bt not eating' attitude. They are the generation for whom 'go to bed without dinner' was a punishment. I know my older brother has tried quite hard to have the conversation about how, these days, most people really don't try to get their children to force down food, and most of us are worried about obesity/eating disorders. (I do also dislike food waste - as who doesn't, when it's become so expensive?! - but I don't see it the same way they do.)

That’s unusual I think - I don’t know many folks my age (pushing 60) or ten or so years older who were sent to bed without dinner.

I had a cs with DS2 and did need some support - from DH, we didn’t have anyone else. DS1 was then 7 and was quite helpful though. If your DD can at least sort herself and you a basic sandwich and a cold drink that will be useful.

SarahAndQuack · 11/04/2026 18:56

Elsvieta · 11/04/2026 15:57

Have you actually said, in so many words, "No, I am not going to let you come and stay with me after the birth"? If she's going to kick off, might as well get it over with and give her time to get used to the idea.

The thing is, she doesn't so much kick off as just act as if nothing has been said/you said something quite different. I have said repeatedly that I don't want her to come when I'm in labour or to bring me home from hospital, but she clearly has decided she is just going to ignore this. I pointed out that I'm not going to tell her when I go into labour - purely practically, it could be ages of waiting and there's no need.

I don't think she will kick off; she will just pretend she hasn't been told any of this. So I think just not talking about it probably is the best.

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SarahAndQuack · 11/04/2026 18:57

Maray1967 · 11/04/2026 18:16

That’s unusual I think - I don’t know many folks my age (pushing 60) or ten or so years older who were sent to bed without dinner.

I had a cs with DS2 and did need some support - from DH, we didn’t have anyone else. DS1 was then 7 and was quite helpful though. If your DD can at least sort herself and you a basic sandwich and a cold drink that will be useful.

I'm 41, and I know a couple of people who had this as a punishment, so I didn't think it was that unusual. It was definitely on its way out when I was little, though.

DD is great. (Mostly. I mean, she's currently trying to get me to heat up a single sausage roll, but ...).

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dapsnotplimsolls · 11/04/2026 19:03

How far away do they live?

Hailstoness · 11/04/2026 19:11

She does sound awful especially being snippy to your 9 year old.
She doesn't need that.
Some narc type parents are all about their needs and how it will be for them as an experience and not about the new mother.

I have had friends whom made the mistake once but never again.

Stop discussing it with her.
Just be clear with your partner and don't tell her when the birth happens, give it a few days.

That's what you have to do with those who refuse to listen.
Good luck.

Elsvieta · 11/04/2026 20:49

SarahAndQuack · 11/04/2026 18:56

The thing is, she doesn't so much kick off as just act as if nothing has been said/you said something quite different. I have said repeatedly that I don't want her to come when I'm in labour or to bring me home from hospital, but she clearly has decided she is just going to ignore this. I pointed out that I'm not going to tell her when I go into labour - purely practically, it could be ages of waiting and there's no need.

I don't think she will kick off; she will just pretend she hasn't been told any of this. So I think just not talking about it probably is the best.

Bloody hell. What's the plan then - she turns up and you huddle inside refusing to open the door? How do you think it'll play out?

SarahAndQuack · 11/04/2026 21:16

Elsvieta · 11/04/2026 20:49

Bloody hell. What's the plan then - she turns up and you huddle inside refusing to open the door? How do you think it'll play out?

Grin Well that made me laugh!

No, I think what other posters are suggesting, and what I think sounds sensible, would be just not committing to anything then telling her after the baby's here and I know where I am.

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SarahAndQuack · 11/04/2026 21:16

dapsnotplimsolls · 11/04/2026 19:03

How far away do they live?

A couple of hours.

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VioletsAreBlue33934 · 11/04/2026 21:32

CatsRock · 11/04/2026 08:18

Not unreasonable, no. Both my MIL and mum do some things similar to your description.

my kids are older now and its calmed down, a bit. With some distance I can see their behaviour comes from anxiety, which leads to them being controlling.

Some of that is completely out of kilter. As the grandma you are NOT in control, as it is not your baby. Some of them don't seem to be able to get their head around this. I guess it does feel like other big moments when your children become independent, walking to school alone the first time.

Anyway, my MIL was genuinely worried that I / we were doing it wrong, and so like the trip you described she had her own detailed plans for how a day visiting us with a newborn would go to make sure it addressed her priorities.

If I expressed my own needs and acted to fulfil them, she would get cross or critical or sometimes actually try to stop me (you don't need to buy that bottle of water because there is a cafe at the top of the hill) because I'd upset her plans to manage her anxieties.

it is very selfish. But also very un-self aware. They don't know they are anxious and being controlling as they've externalised all of that as 'helping you'. So then they get angry if you say 'no thank you'.

Yes keep them at a firm distance. My mum has specific anxieties around birth, so for the second one I told her a due period later than my actual (and it freaked her out I wouldn't state 'a date' - I told her the hospital had moved away from that as people overly fixate on it - because she wanted a date to plan her anxiety around!).

It actually worked out great, because we told her DC2 had safely arrived before she had revved herself up to worry about it, and it saved me several weeks of her calling 'to see how I was' which was actually her offloading her anxiety about my baby's arrival onto me.

Grey rock, boundaries.

Sometimes its not worth saying 'no I won't do that' just say mmm hmmm and then don't do it when the time comes.

Ultimately you are in control, not them - and that's exactly what they are struggling with.

Yes, I realized similar about my mum. I used to think she's just controlling and stressed. But over the years, I realize this comes from a very deep anxiety.

Everything has to be done perfect or it's not worth doing at all. Laundry takes her HOURS. She came to "help" and I was constantly running out of clean clothes because she got angry if I did laundry but then she wouldn't do it either. She didn't understand I hadn't slept in months and didn't care about a creased shirt,I just wanted a clean one. She had an actual panic attack when she saw I had done a load of laundry, she almost cried, she didn't know whether to shout or cry at me - she actually unfolded everything, ironed it, and re-folded it. FML.

My son is now a toddler and she spends HOURS in the kitchen every day cooking for him when she comss. Which means I actually don't get a break. My son doesn't need 3 perfectly cooked meals a day. Some toast and scrambled eggs for lunch would be great. I get worked up as I feel I'm getting zero ACTUAL help, while she stands there and criticises everything in the kitchen, laundry, all of it.

From the outside, she looks like the perfect grandma.

Drives me nuts.

She had a deeply traumatic childhood, a violent parent, which I now understand. Doesn't mean I have to be grateful for her non-help, so I just sort of try to find ways to navigate this and give her only a few opportunities to "help".

salagadoo · 11/04/2026 23:17

mondaytosunday · 11/04/2026 13:05

@salagadoowhoa change the baby 8-10 times a night?! Goodness, don’t think I’ve ever heard of anyone having to do that!
. I’ve had two sections and no help and managed fine, though understand it may be different experience for others. Certainly would not want a parent around though - and my mother was a truly helpful and kind person but it would really have just been another thing to deal with and didn’t need the help anyway. Fortunately she was also capable of understanding my point of view.

Yes breastfeeding both my babies would pooh after a feed. Multiple feeds a night. Multiple changes. And then if they spit up may need changing. This is the first 2-3 weeks when healing from a c section (had an emergency so very painful)

OneAgileAzurePoet · 12/04/2026 05:28

Hi! I have a similar narcissistic, emotionally immature mother. I didn’t tell her when I went in to be induced, I simply turned my phone off. Have given birth three times, the last two my husband looked after our other children at home. If you’re giving birth alone, you’ve got this 💗if anything, just don’t say you’ve given birth and hold your ground postpartum. Or simply go no contact until you’re ready, you don’t owe anyone anything! I’ve been no contact with my mother since 2021 and, honestly, I don’t miss it, she never really felt like a mother so it’s not really made much of a difference in my life, but I did have a grieving period. Good luck lovely!

Ruralmummy25 · 12/04/2026 22:05

It's your pregnancy, your birth, your baby and your choice.
Help is not help if it makes you stressed, anxious and miserable.
You don't know for certain how you'll be after the birth, whether you'll need a c section etc but get the people you are close to lined up ready. Put your plans in place and brief them that this doesn't include your parents. Give them full authority to eject your parents if necessary, I had a code word with my husband for when I'd had enough. My midwife also ushered out my MIL on the 5 day visit as she knew the situation. We hadn't fallen out with anyone but it was a similar situation with parents wanting control.

I wasn't a single parent but my husband and I did it entirely on our own, no help at all from anyone at any point after a horrendous pregnancy, labour and c section. It's bloody hard but easier than dealing with other people. It's completely normal to want to protect your newborn bubble from anyone you're not very close to and trust entirely.
Personally I'd wouldn't contact her when you go into labour, let her know after the birth when you are ready to. Make sure you tell the midwives your wishes so you don't get unwanted guests, they're usually good at gate keeping. And if possible have a friend there when you let them visit, someone to show you're not alone and can chivvy them out the door.
They will be upset. But whatever you do they will be upset. It sounds like nothing you do will keep them happy. And tbh, you have a baby and a 9 year old keeping your parents happy is a long way down the list of priorities.
Good luck, I really hope it works out well. I'd be doing exactly the same, there's no way they'd be near me with behaviour like that at my most vulnerable.
I'm not going to lie it's not going to be easy dealing with the fallout but try and remember why you're doing it. X

CatsRock · 12/04/2026 23:26

VioletsAreBlue33934 · 11/04/2026 21:32

Yes, I realized similar about my mum. I used to think she's just controlling and stressed. But over the years, I realize this comes from a very deep anxiety.

Everything has to be done perfect or it's not worth doing at all. Laundry takes her HOURS. She came to "help" and I was constantly running out of clean clothes because she got angry if I did laundry but then she wouldn't do it either. She didn't understand I hadn't slept in months and didn't care about a creased shirt,I just wanted a clean one. She had an actual panic attack when she saw I had done a load of laundry, she almost cried, she didn't know whether to shout or cry at me - she actually unfolded everything, ironed it, and re-folded it. FML.

My son is now a toddler and she spends HOURS in the kitchen every day cooking for him when she comss. Which means I actually don't get a break. My son doesn't need 3 perfectly cooked meals a day. Some toast and scrambled eggs for lunch would be great. I get worked up as I feel I'm getting zero ACTUAL help, while she stands there and criticises everything in the kitchen, laundry, all of it.

From the outside, she looks like the perfect grandma.

Drives me nuts.

She had a deeply traumatic childhood, a violent parent, which I now understand. Doesn't mean I have to be grateful for her non-help, so I just sort of try to find ways to navigate this and give her only a few opportunities to "help".

ah I can relate to this completely.

Overtime I got better at realising what my Mum was more comfortable with, and that she actually liked very clear guidance and instruction. So I'd organise seeing her in a way that worked for me (eg I invited her over rather than go to her, to save me the travel with little kids, plus endless time counselling her on what she might buy and cook for us). I'd have some stuff in and then say 'ok I'm going to feed the baby, please would you warm up X in the fridge and do a salad for us'.

My mum passive aggressively signals what she doesn't want to do (if asked to empty the dishwasher will say 'oh but I don't know where anything goes' OMFG. We've lived in the same place for a decade and have a small kitchen - just open the cupboards and have a look!)

Sadly although living near enough and being in good health, she has made sure not to do anything regular with the kids. the few times I've asked her she made it so painful with repeated questions on every detail before and during I didn't ask her much. Once or twice I asked for her help in an emergency situation and she said no, I'm too busy. I have used those emergency nanny agencies occasionally - and then she will want me to call her and reassure her it's all ok, and that I and the kids are fine. What she really wanted to hear was this was a better outcome than her skipping bridge to help me. it wasn't.

What is sad is my mum is lonely and wishes she was in our lives more. But I work full time in a full on job and she's chosen to be a drainer not a giver. If I think too much how much difference it would have made if, say, she'd come over every other Saturday, took the kids to the park, had lunch with us and read them a story I cry.

PIL are another level of batshit (MIL tried to stop me breastfeeding, once appearing in our room at 5am saying she'd take the baby, tried to potty train during a holiday, absolutely gifts as control I am them supposed to say thank you for). PIL once told off DH because we'd booked a holiday without them!

I reduced the length and frequency of visits to the absolute bare minimum, eventually they grasped that I'm the one that holds the power and the more they push me the less they get.

As another posted noted they are not safe around our children on their own so DH or I are always there with them.

I know the Mumsnet worldview is the Grans don't owe us anything while we always owe them deference and accommodation, but frankly fuck that. It's a two way street.

I intend to organise my life to help out my adult children with their children my grandchildren, if they would like me too. I hope it will be a great joy in my later life to show up every week or two and take care of them for a few hours. But you have to be willing to be humble, flexible and work with the wishes and needs of the nuclear family, not boss them around.

arecklessmanor · 12/04/2026 23:42

salagadoo · 11/04/2026 08:26

If you’ve not given birth before and are also single it’s really hard to appreciate how much help you need. What if you have a c section? You can’t even get yourself out of bed without huge effort and then to have to feed and change a baby 8-10 times a night…we had to have my partner wake up every couple of hours with me to hand me the baby to feed and then to wait to change the nappies after each feed. We were both ridiculously shattered and had to ask one of our parents to come and stay and look after everything else like cooking food for us and cleaning etc.

parents are difficult and set in their ways. However tend to pitch up no questions asked when needed. We were really unrealistic what help we needed.

I had a C-section and got up to feed and change baby as needed (had to in hospital anyway as they were not much help).

OP is already a mum, not having given birth doesn't mean she can't remember the early days. Paid help combined with advance planning would be far more useful than having her mother on hand.

My mum is absolutely lovely but I still had no visitors for the first few weeks, and no MIL visit for a bit longer.

SarahAndQuack · 13/04/2026 11:50

arecklessmanor · 12/04/2026 23:42

I had a C-section and got up to feed and change baby as needed (had to in hospital anyway as they were not much help).

OP is already a mum, not having given birth doesn't mean she can't remember the early days. Paid help combined with advance planning would be far more useful than having her mother on hand.

My mum is absolutely lovely but I still had no visitors for the first few weeks, and no MIL visit for a bit longer.

Thanks so much for that lovely post. You've no idea (or maybe you do?!) how often people forget I'm already a mum or tell me it doesn't really count, and it's lovely when someone does the opposite.

I'm also really reassured you got through after a c-section without mum/MIL visits!

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