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Aibu to hate Michael Gove?

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merrycola · 06/04/2026 21:18

AIBU to hate Michael Gove for single-handedly creating the “overdiagnosis” crisis he’s now nowhere near enough to answer for?
Because let’s connect the dots.
He made the curriculum harder, narrower, and more rigid. Ofsted built an inspection framework around it that treats children like data points. And now — years later — we’ve got CAMHS referrals through the roof, school avoidance at record levels, exclusion rates climbing, teachers quitting in droves, and a growing media narrative that too many children are being diagnosed and parents are being pushy.
But nobody seems to want to say the obvious thing: we didn’t suddenly produce a generation of broken children. We built a system that broke the environment around them and then pathologised the ones who couldn’t cope.
The strategies that actually help — clear instructions, sensory breaks, mutual respect, not shouting — aren’t special needs strategies. They’re just good teaching. But there’s no time for good teaching when you’re trying to force a curriculum designed by a man who apparently thinks childhood is an inefficiency to be optimised.

And here’s what really gets me. Every education secretary since could have undone it. But none of them have, because reversing course would mean admitting the whole framework was wrong and that it’s been harming children for over a decade. So instead we get headlines about overdiagnosis and parents wanting labels for benefits, while the man who lit the match is off doing whatever Michael Gove does now.

We didn’t get an overdiagnosis crisis. We got a system that can’t admit it failed, so it diagnosed the kids instead.

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Hoppymclimpy · 07/04/2026 07:40

24Dogcuddler · 06/04/2026 22:09

Excellent post OP
Retired teacher. Always strongly disliked him.
A few years ago my daughter bought me this book.
Everything I know about Teaching, Michael Gove
It has chapter headings but is completely blank. Love it.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Everything-I-know-about-teaching/dp/1492912417

Medically retired Assistant Head here.....you've reminded me of the secret santa year when 4 of us got that book- absolutely brilliant 😂

RoyalImpatience · 07/04/2026 07:41

Pushing only phonics and soley using the phonics test as a yardstick is terrible.
We even had a poster on here whose child could read (when she dropped phonics ) wondering whether her child still needed phonics !phonics is an over complication. and barrier to many child learning to read !

The maths curriculum needs a massive over haul as well.

Mengo · 07/04/2026 07:41

DeafLeppard · 07/04/2026 07:31

I also think the people who object to Gove also object to the Michaela style schools and for reasons that very much feel ideological in their basis, not outcome based.

I’m someone who should hate Michaela style schools, but I don’t. If they work then there’s a place for them.

My objection is that whilst that style of education obviously works for some it doesn’t work for all, and actively damages many children.

We’ve lost sight of the fact that children are all different and do not all flourish in one type of environment. Once out of school children have more options that suit their needs, but sadly so many are hurt by the system that they come out of education and have to have prolonged periods of recovery.

Sooose · 07/04/2026 07:42

Santasbigredbobblehat · 06/04/2026 21:32

Teacher of 25 years. Completely agree. I can’t fathom why is hasn’t been reversed. Keep the early reading, and go back to how it was. And get rid of bleeding SATs.

I'm sure change will come...eventually. Change always does come. The question is, will anybody change it for the better?
I've heard murmurings about tailored learning, where each pupil works at their own speed and achieves each stage marker when they are ready. Is this possible with current staffing levels? Would you need more teachers per 30 children to keep everyone on track? It would certainly be revolutionary.

RoyalImpatience · 07/04/2026 07:44

@Sooose there isn't any point doing that without using different teaching techniques !
And would be impossible for one teacher per 30.

Araminta1003 · 07/04/2026 07:46

As we have an elite university system, the current education system feeds that very well for the higher achievers (up to the top 45 per cent), leaving aside the controversial uni debt issue.
It‘s forging pathway for the other 55 per cent which is urgent. If AI requires more practical skills, then the education system needs to start offering more of that from the start too.

The trouble is nobody wants to be labelling kids early into pathways so how to get around that. I think if everyone were able to chose a suitable pathway by year 9 that would help. Including the option to only take compulsory maths and literacy GCSEs but all sorts of other stuff too and not all „examined“ at the end. But schools can only offer this in one setting if there is funding to cover all „streams“/pathways.
In primary, a lot more focus on social emotional sport creative but accelerated academics for those who can during set lessons in small groups, as well as small group for SEND. But this would all cost a lot and they aren’t going to fund it so Gove decided to make his principle aim to feed the elite uni system and the likely tax take from those graduates, who are then funding most of the system.

Bringemout · 07/04/2026 07:46

MrsMurphyIWish · 07/04/2026 06:56

I fucking hate Gove. I’ve been teaching since 2000 and he ruined my subject - English. I was in mat leave when he became Ed Sec and when I returned the curriculum had changed for the worse. A decade and a half later I’m trying to get kids through GCSE and A-level Lit through memorising quotations. That’s not a skill - that’s just having a good memory. The skill is the ability to form and argument and apply the quotes.

I also see the horrors being a parent. DD is in Yr 10 and extremely bright but she hates English Lit despite having a love of reading. DS is in Yr 7 and has ASD. I look at him and I dread the GCSE years.

I’m quitting at the end of this year. Teaching is awful and quite frankly I’m bored and think anyone could get up and teach my rigid lessons.

I would agree with this, memorisation is often just luck rather than skill.

Mengo · 07/04/2026 07:46

Sooose · 07/04/2026 07:42

I'm sure change will come...eventually. Change always does come. The question is, will anybody change it for the better?
I've heard murmurings about tailored learning, where each pupil works at their own speed and achieves each stage marker when they are ready. Is this possible with current staffing levels? Would you need more teachers per 30 children to keep everyone on track? It would certainly be revolutionary.

Some schools around the world are doing this, but it’s relying on AI. In person teachers are becoming facilitators, AI tailors itself to the individual. Unfortunately trials look promising and I suspect that teaching will probably largely be taken over by AI in the coming years, which is very worrying.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 07/04/2026 07:46

My education in the 80s and 90s was dire. Embarrassingly bad. Apparently reforms were made around this time to dumb everything down and GCSEs over O-levels dumbed it down further. If Gove is responsible for the frankly brilliant education both my kids get now, then I’m grateful. I bet it’s harder for the teachers to deliver - I can see that, but my kids are thriving.

Bringemout · 07/04/2026 07:47

Araminta1003 · 07/04/2026 07:46

As we have an elite university system, the current education system feeds that very well for the higher achievers (up to the top 45 per cent), leaving aside the controversial uni debt issue.
It‘s forging pathway for the other 55 per cent which is urgent. If AI requires more practical skills, then the education system needs to start offering more of that from the start too.

The trouble is nobody wants to be labelling kids early into pathways so how to get around that. I think if everyone were able to chose a suitable pathway by year 9 that would help. Including the option to only take compulsory maths and literacy GCSEs but all sorts of other stuff too and not all „examined“ at the end. But schools can only offer this in one setting if there is funding to cover all „streams“/pathways.
In primary, a lot more focus on social emotional sport creative but accelerated academics for those who can during set lessons in small groups, as well as small group for SEND. But this would all cost a lot and they aren’t going to fund it so Gove decided to make his principle aim to feed the elite uni system and the likely tax take from those graduates, who are then funding most of the system.

I think the german system and ethos is superior in this regard, I think though in the UK theres a lot of snobbery around being a non degree holder which is entirely unwarranted.

DeafLeppard · 07/04/2026 07:49

Mengo · 07/04/2026 07:41

I’m someone who should hate Michaela style schools, but I don’t. If they work then there’s a place for them.

My objection is that whilst that style of education obviously works for some it doesn’t work for all, and actively damages many children.

We’ve lost sight of the fact that children are all different and do not all flourish in one type of environment. Once out of school children have more options that suit their needs, but sadly so many are hurt by the system that they come out of education and have to have prolonged periods of recovery.

But we aren’t prepared to fund bespoke education and the education community is actively opposed to anything other than comprehensive education. We used to have a system that hat grammars and secondary moderns but society decided that was detrimental, so we got rid of it. Ignoring the fact that Northern Ireland, which still has post primary selection, has consistently strong education results.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 07/04/2026 07:49

‘Fronted adverbials’ did it for me.

Time to go back to basics - including teaching children the difference between your and you’re, it’s and its, there/their/theyre - and FFS where to put an apostrophe - and where NOT to put one!

DeafLeppard · 07/04/2026 07:50

Bringemout · 07/04/2026 07:47

I think the german system and ethos is superior in this regard, I think though in the UK theres a lot of snobbery around being a non degree holder which is entirely unwarranted.

And yet the German system “writes off” kids far earlier on through selection to Gymnasium. If we did that here there would be a riot.

AmberSpy · 07/04/2026 07:50

Noras · 07/04/2026 07:20

Education is the backbone of national development—and no two countries illustrate contrasting philosophies quite like China and the United Kingdom. Both boast centuries-old traditions of learning, but their modern systems differ profoundly in structure, expectations, and outcomes. While the UK promotes creativity and independence, China’s rigorous system emphasizes discipline, mastery, and effort. Each has its strengths, but recent global rankings and real-world performance suggest that China’s approach may be better at preparing students for the competitive realities of the 21st century.
Academic Discipline vs. Holistic Freedom
Perhaps the most striking difference lies in academic intensity. Chinese students face longer school days, heavier homework loads, and a stronger focus on foundational subjects like math, science, and languages. The high-stakes Gaokao (college entrance exam) is infamous, but it drives an unparalleled level of academic commitment across the country.
In contrast, UK students benefit from a broader, more holistic curriculum—one that values well-being, extracurricular activities, and critical thinking. While this encourages personal development, it can sometimes dilute academic rigor, especially in early years when foundational skills are most crucial.
PISA test results—international benchmarks of education quality—consistently show Chinese students outperforming their UK peers in math, science, and reading. It’s not because Chinese children are inherently smarter, but because their system demands more and instills stronger study habits early on.
Respect for Teachers and Authority
In China, teachers command deep respect. Classrooms are highly structured, with clear hierarchies and expectations. Students rarely interrupt, and educators are regarded not just as facilitators but as moral guides and subject-matter experts. The result is fewer classroom disruptions and more instructional time.
In the UK, the relationship between teacher and student is more casual, which can foster open dialogue and creativity—but also leads to challenges with discipline and engagement, especially in underfunded schools.
This cultural difference plays a major role in outcomes. Where UK teachers often battle for attention, Chinese educators benefit from a culture that places learning and authority at the center of youth development.
Emphasis on Effort Over Talent
One of the quiet strengths of the Chinese system is its belief in effort over innate ability. Success isn’t attributed to being naturally gifted, but to hard work—a mindset that drives persistence and resilience. Students are taught early that excellence is earned, not inherited.
By contrast, the UK—like much of the West—often praises talent and originality. While this nurtures individuality, it may also lead some students to give up early if they don’t see themselves as “naturally good” at a subject.
China’s emphasis on effort democratizes success: any child, with enough focus and discipline, can rise.
Innovation vs. Mastery: The Trade-Off
To be fair, China’s strengths in structure and discipline sometimes come at the cost of creativity and mental well-being. Students are under immense pressure, and rote learning can limit imaginative thinking. The UK system, meanwhile, cultivates debate, expression, and innovation—key ingredients for entrepreneurship and design.
Yet as China reforms its education system, blending traditional rigor with creative programs, it may soon achieve the best of both worlds. Initiatives to reduce homework, reform university admissions, and expand STEAM learning (Science, Tech, Engineering, Arts, Math) are already underway.
Conclusion
The UK and Chinese education systems represent two ends of a philosophical spectrum: one centred on discipline, effort, and collective achievement; the other on individuality, balance, and expression.
But in a world of global competition—where foundational skills, resilience, and long-term focus matter more than ever—it’s hard to ignore the edge the Chinese model provides. A bit more structure, respect for effort, and academic intensity may be just what Western systems need to re-energize future generations.

Why do people post this AI-generated nonsense on threads? What does this achieve?

RoyalImpatience · 07/04/2026 07:50

@Mengo done properly it sounds promising.

Chigreenen · 07/04/2026 07:51

Sooose · 07/04/2026 07:42

I'm sure change will come...eventually. Change always does come. The question is, will anybody change it for the better?
I've heard murmurings about tailored learning, where each pupil works at their own speed and achieves each stage marker when they are ready. Is this possible with current staffing levels? Would you need more teachers per 30 children to keep everyone on track? It would certainly be revolutionary.

That would be fine if it didn’t result in a dumbing down for all, but here in Scotland it’s the brightest that suffer with ‘individualised learning’. You’re alright, you’re clever enough. We need to work on those struggling. Meaning bright kids are bored and not at all stretched.

School shouldn’t just be fun, it should also equip bright kids with a stretching education that makes the most of their talents and drives them on to successful, high paying careers as that’s what raises a good tax take in the future and helps fund the public services of tomorrow. I think the Government reforms recognise this, but neglect to provide an alternative education for those who aren’t high achieving.

Bringemout · 07/04/2026 07:51

Didn’t our pisa scores improve due to changes, I would think thats proof that the approach works even if people find it hard.

Needlenardlenoo · 07/04/2026 07:51

Thesunisrising · 06/04/2026 23:28

I've just seen there was in fact a review of the curriculum with a report published at the end of last year. I'm not surprised it passed me by as I can't see any news stories on it in the mainstream press. I've only had a quick scan of the executive summary but it doesn't look like it's recommending any fundamental changes.

I don't know what the answer is. Both my DC have had a very rough time in school and it's so sad. Forget a love of learning - for them school has been something to survive, and a huge endurance test for us all.

I filled in the consultation for that review of the curriculum. It covered everything from nursery up to university and had 30+ pages many with free text boxes.

The social scientist in me winced. What on earth useful analysis can they do with that?

EdithBond · 07/04/2026 07:52

100% agree. He took the joy out of learning for kids. It ruined all three of my kids’ education.

But there was worse. My friend’s DS’s (oversubscribed) secondary suggested he should be tested for SEND because he wasn’t hitting their average grades in league tables, when he was way ahead of my DS (regular secondary). Needless to say she didn’t listen to them, he’s not ND and has since done just fine in life.

So many kids now think they’re failures or SEND when actually they were being set up to fail. Kids should leave school with a lifelong love of learning and the confidence to innovate, rather than being able to regurgitate via a set formula. That’s automation not education.

RoyalImpatience · 07/04/2026 07:54

@EdithBond many DC who fail the phonics test so have send /dyslexia and are phonics blind.

Noras · 07/04/2026 07:54

Mengo · 07/04/2026 07:31

Can the two even be compared? We have very different cultures, child rearing methods. We could no more recreate/emulate those methods than they would ours.

Would we not be better to look towards schooling methods that would stand a chance within our culture? Perhaps look at Finland and their consistently outstanding and child-led education system?

I think some of the things that China does are amazing. In particular the notion of exercise eg 20 minute exercise before lesson even begin would be great for those who struggle to focus.

We need to take what other countries do well and improve education eg Italy finishes school at aged 19 this could be good.

Also the education provided now in the UK is amazing and kids are leaving primary schools with far better knowledge than 40 years ago.

Mapletree1985 · 07/04/2026 07:55

If you think the British curriculum is hard, you should see what school is like in China.

It is unreasonable to expect every child to succeed at the same level. Half of all children are less than averagely intelligent.

Mischance · 07/04/2026 07:55

Sooose · 07/04/2026 07:42

I'm sure change will come...eventually. Change always does come. The question is, will anybody change it for the better?
I've heard murmurings about tailored learning, where each pupil works at their own speed and achieves each stage marker when they are ready. Is this possible with current staffing levels? Would you need more teachers per 30 children to keep everyone on track? It would certainly be revolutionary.

As change plods it's way towards us whole cohorts of children will have been ground down by this nonsense.
Academically able children sail their way through just about anything, but those for whom learning is a challenge are the victims .... as well as the teachers.

Chigreenen · 07/04/2026 07:55

Bringemout · 07/04/2026 07:51

Didn’t our pisa scores improve due to changes, I would think thats proof that the approach works even if people find it hard.

Proof that it works well for the able kids.

Bringemout · 07/04/2026 07:56

I think theres a culture of thinking you must enjoy everything. No you don’t, you don’t have to enjoy every subject you just need to know what you need to know. I didn’t particularly enjoy school. I didn’t even particularly like the subjects I got A’s in at gcse and a-level, I had to make more effort on some subjects than others, thats life.

I fucking hate exercising, I still do it because I have a sedentary life and a lazy nature and if i do zero exercise I’m pretty sure I would eventually stop moving completely. It is not a requirement that we should all enjoy and feel fulfilled by everything we do. Do we take the same attitude towards working? Oh you don’t enjoy working, thats fine stay at home then, don’t earn any money?