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Aibu to hate Michael Gove?

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merrycola · 06/04/2026 21:18

AIBU to hate Michael Gove for single-handedly creating the “overdiagnosis” crisis he’s now nowhere near enough to answer for?
Because let’s connect the dots.
He made the curriculum harder, narrower, and more rigid. Ofsted built an inspection framework around it that treats children like data points. And now — years later — we’ve got CAMHS referrals through the roof, school avoidance at record levels, exclusion rates climbing, teachers quitting in droves, and a growing media narrative that too many children are being diagnosed and parents are being pushy.
But nobody seems to want to say the obvious thing: we didn’t suddenly produce a generation of broken children. We built a system that broke the environment around them and then pathologised the ones who couldn’t cope.
The strategies that actually help — clear instructions, sensory breaks, mutual respect, not shouting — aren’t special needs strategies. They’re just good teaching. But there’s no time for good teaching when you’re trying to force a curriculum designed by a man who apparently thinks childhood is an inefficiency to be optimised.

And here’s what really gets me. Every education secretary since could have undone it. But none of them have, because reversing course would mean admitting the whole framework was wrong and that it’s been harming children for over a decade. So instead we get headlines about overdiagnosis and parents wanting labels for benefits, while the man who lit the match is off doing whatever Michael Gove does now.

We didn’t get an overdiagnosis crisis. We got a system that can’t admit it failed, so it diagnosed the kids instead.

OP posts:
Chocolateforbreakfasttoday · 07/04/2026 07:19

I’ve been a primary teacher in Scotland for 27 years. No Gove, no Ofsted, different curriculum and different culture. Yet it’s still a shitshow up here. There has to be more to it.

Needspaceforlego · 07/04/2026 07:19

MumsGoneToIceland · 07/04/2026 01:07

When my dd’s both massively struggled with their GCSE content and asked me why they have to memorise 12 poems and reams of equations and formula that they just can’t keep in their heads, my answer has always been ‘because of Michael Gove’. Exams should be about how you apply information not memorising it in imo. Watching the stress and anxiety they go through and not be able to do anything about it is heartbreaking and makes me so angry at him for doing this to them. 😡

Memorise 12 poems, I'm guessing you are being serious, and not exaggerating but what the actual fuck???

Short term memory is the biggest driver of dyslexia, thats what really makes dyslexics struggle to learn to spell, trying to memories poems is absolutely setting those kids up for failure.
Dyslexia, ASHD. ASD all overlap and all run together.

I'm willing to bet that alone is a big driver in parents seeking diagnosis for there kids.

I'm Scotland still to hit the Nat 4/ 5 but I'd be willing to bet they aren't much different. On fucking wonder I know 3 girls all really struggling with anxiety. Btw the 3 girls are in different circles and don't know each other.

I know i couldn't cope with that.

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 07/04/2026 07:20

Mum is ex teacher and senco retired.

Noras · 07/04/2026 07:20

Education is the backbone of national development—and no two countries illustrate contrasting philosophies quite like China and the United Kingdom. Both boast centuries-old traditions of learning, but their modern systems differ profoundly in structure, expectations, and outcomes. While the UK promotes creativity and independence, China’s rigorous system emphasizes discipline, mastery, and effort. Each has its strengths, but recent global rankings and real-world performance suggest that China’s approach may be better at preparing students for the competitive realities of the 21st century.
Academic Discipline vs. Holistic Freedom
Perhaps the most striking difference lies in academic intensity. Chinese students face longer school days, heavier homework loads, and a stronger focus on foundational subjects like math, science, and languages. The high-stakes Gaokao (college entrance exam) is infamous, but it drives an unparalleled level of academic commitment across the country.
In contrast, UK students benefit from a broader, more holistic curriculum—one that values well-being, extracurricular activities, and critical thinking. While this encourages personal development, it can sometimes dilute academic rigor, especially in early years when foundational skills are most crucial.
PISA test results—international benchmarks of education quality—consistently show Chinese students outperforming their UK peers in math, science, and reading. It’s not because Chinese children are inherently smarter, but because their system demands more and instills stronger study habits early on.
Respect for Teachers and Authority
In China, teachers command deep respect. Classrooms are highly structured, with clear hierarchies and expectations. Students rarely interrupt, and educators are regarded not just as facilitators but as moral guides and subject-matter experts. The result is fewer classroom disruptions and more instructional time.
In the UK, the relationship between teacher and student is more casual, which can foster open dialogue and creativity—but also leads to challenges with discipline and engagement, especially in underfunded schools.
This cultural difference plays a major role in outcomes. Where UK teachers often battle for attention, Chinese educators benefit from a culture that places learning and authority at the center of youth development.
Emphasis on Effort Over Talent
One of the quiet strengths of the Chinese system is its belief in effort over innate ability. Success isn’t attributed to being naturally gifted, but to hard work—a mindset that drives persistence and resilience. Students are taught early that excellence is earned, not inherited.
By contrast, the UK—like much of the West—often praises talent and originality. While this nurtures individuality, it may also lead some students to give up early if they don’t see themselves as “naturally good” at a subject.
China’s emphasis on effort democratizes success: any child, with enough focus and discipline, can rise.
Innovation vs. Mastery: The Trade-Off
To be fair, China’s strengths in structure and discipline sometimes come at the cost of creativity and mental well-being. Students are under immense pressure, and rote learning can limit imaginative thinking. The UK system, meanwhile, cultivates debate, expression, and innovation—key ingredients for entrepreneurship and design.
Yet as China reforms its education system, blending traditional rigor with creative programs, it may soon achieve the best of both worlds. Initiatives to reduce homework, reform university admissions, and expand STEAM learning (Science, Tech, Engineering, Arts, Math) are already underway.
Conclusion
The UK and Chinese education systems represent two ends of a philosophical spectrum: one centred on discipline, effort, and collective achievement; the other on individuality, balance, and expression.
But in a world of global competition—where foundational skills, resilience, and long-term focus matter more than ever—it’s hard to ignore the edge the Chinese model provides. A bit more structure, respect for effort, and academic intensity may be just what Western systems need to re-energize future generations.

ApplebyArrows · 07/04/2026 07:22

JumpinJellyfish · 07/04/2026 06:34

how many times will your kids be asked about the relationship between Titania and Oberon in a job interview

This is incredibly short-sighted and depressing and completely misses the point. The ability to understand, analyse and interpret complex texts is an extremely useful transferable skill, not to mention that an understanding of the nuances of human relationships is something that AI will likely never be able to do. The study of English literature is about what makes us human; it is not learning facts about the set texts.

I think there is a fair distinction to be made though between what is taught vs what is mandatory at GCSE. Should all kids be taught Shakespeare at some point? Yes. Should they all be required to sit and exam on it at age 16? More doubtful. Humanities teaching is important but I'm not sure literature needs to be given more primacy than history or music or whatever: subjects which also have key benefits but are not required at GCSE level.

Chigreenen · 07/04/2026 07:23

Chocolateforbreakfasttoday · 07/04/2026 07:19

I’ve been a primary teacher in Scotland for 27 years. No Gove, no Ofsted, different curriculum and different culture. Yet it’s still a shitshow up here. There has to be more to it.

I’m in Scotland too. At least Englands PISA scores have got better since the Gove reforms. Up here Scotland’s results have fallen off a cliff. Be careful what you wish for!

Nosejobnelly · 07/04/2026 07:24

So true
i remember when his policies came in to force. DD was about to start GCSEs and he was changing the English lit syllabus to the most boring texts!
I worked in a school for a bit and yes, you are correct, I’m so glad my DC went through primary before he implemented his system as they both had a pretty good experience (no fronted adverbials for them - whatever they are!). They did have SATs in year 2 and 6 though.

Noras · 07/04/2026 07:24

Needspaceforlego · 07/04/2026 07:19

Memorise 12 poems, I'm guessing you are being serious, and not exaggerating but what the actual fuck???

Short term memory is the biggest driver of dyslexia, thats what really makes dyslexics struggle to learn to spell, trying to memories poems is absolutely setting those kids up for failure.
Dyslexia, ASHD. ASD all overlap and all run together.

I'm willing to bet that alone is a big driver in parents seeking diagnosis for there kids.

I'm Scotland still to hit the Nat 4/ 5 but I'd be willing to bet they aren't much different. On fucking wonder I know 3 girls all really struggling with anxiety. Btw the 3 girls are in different circles and don't know each other.

I know i couldn't cope with that.

They do t need to memorise 12 poems. They just need to memorise the analysis of 12 poems and in reality in detail about half of that. This is better than having to analyse a poem they have not seen. So for instance eg the use of assonance in this context shows a sympathetic viewpoint or the language is rich in referencing to animal suggesting that the goblins are bestial. ..her emergence up the bank represents her rebirth as ercsister has sacrificed herself for her etc etc.

Mengo · 07/04/2026 07:26

Allatsea1980s · 07/04/2026 07:02

This comment is depressing! Why learn anything then? Why not just produce a generation of phone addicted, ignorant people?

Or evolve education to embrace the technology we have now instead of sticking to methods that are proving time and time again to damage children and switch them off?

Tbh most children and yp don’t seem to use their phones to learn, they use them to communicate - often with a demise of real communication.

Education could focus more on life skills like budgeting, paying taxes, how to be self employed, critical thinking. They could easily fix the environmental factors that are playing to sensory issues in more and more children, and allow teachers more creative flexibility which they used to be able to do in order to meet more needs. Nowadays children are taught in a far narrower, more rigid way, and it’s not working for too many. We have growing numbers of SN in schools, because in order to meet their needs they need a diagnosis. No one in government is acknowledging the elephant in the room, that their policies over decades have done this. Not parents, or teachers, or the children themselves - whoever is held responsible for this mess.

I do wish that the government hold on education could be loosened. They’re destroying it, doubling down on processes that are not working. I don’t think there is particularly a time where it was perfect, but the changes in the last 30 years have directly led to destroying many children and families lives.

Piglet89 · 07/04/2026 07:27

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-rest-is-politics-leading/id1665265193?i=1000733442114

He still thinks he was great though - in the style of all completely deluded politicians.

Araminta1003 · 07/04/2026 07:27

English literature is not a compulsory GCSE, only English language is in England, which is more „applied“ arguably.
62 per cent of kids passed all elements of KS2 SATS in 2025.
I think about 43 per cent take A levels. A levels were always hard and „advanced“. People constantly talk about grade inflation but last year only 4043 pupils got 3 A stars out of 313000 sitting A levels (not all took 3).

The issue with the GCSEs is the lack of enough foundation levels and interim levels and more flexibility. Education should be more tailored to ability but they don’t want to fund this and schools can’t offered a tailored programme based on need within the current structure.
The percentage passing GCSE maths and English is around 60 per cent too and mirrors KS2 somewhat.

40 per cent of kids don’t pass and the education system has to also focus on giving them a pathway that does not write them off/kill their confidence. Other countries have tiers and streams but that is not politically fashionable here. It’s all about comprehensive and one size fits all from the start.

Nosejobnelly · 07/04/2026 07:29

@MumsGoneToIcelandre the poems, that’s so true. My DD really struggled e Eng lit at gcse and we are talking about an academic pupil who eventually got all 7-9s, but she needed a private tutor and extra classes at school (it didn’t really make sense in relation to her ability across the board). At uni she was eventually diagnosed w dyslexia and she’s now seeking an adhd diagnosis - she’s not very efficient at processing text which is where the issue lies.

matresense · 07/04/2026 07:29

@Cloop
probably because lots of people were at school then and are seeking to point out that the past wasn’t always a golden age - my experience in the 90s was that Sen kids were probably happier, but they didn’t leave school with a good education (at the time, they could have expected to get a job and housing with minimal qualifications, but that started to become more of an issue after 2004 when there was more cheap labour and our population started expanding more rapidly - a school leaver in the position some of my classmates were in 2000 now would be in quite dire straights). My point around phonics was not to say that Michael Gove introduced it, but rather that it was heavily opposed by teaching unions when introduced. There were some things that Michael Gove was obsessed with that he was probably correct about - the reality is that bright state kids were not getting even close to the education that their private school peers were getting in many cases. The year after I left school, the maths A level lost a whole unit of content - from 6 units to 5 and towards the end of the Labour government there was a lot of dumbing down. He shouldn’t have applied it across the board though. I think everyone knows that what we really need is reading well taught and a decent technical route, but no one does enough about it.

DeathBanana · 07/04/2026 07:30

Irrespective of the detail of what kids should or shouldn’t be learning the connection between disengagement from the education system and the struggles so many kids are having is the point the OP was making I believe.

And while we’re all pointing fingers at social media obsessed kids and lazy parents and shit teachers it would be good to actually look at that causation and perhaps consider addressing it as a solution to this huge societal problem we’re all seeing.

DeafLeppard · 07/04/2026 07:30

Actually, can we not pretend that schools were hotbeds of Miss Honey style educators before Gove? Phonics works for the vast majority of kids and has led to better reading outcomes. The times table check is a good thing - having kids fluent in basic number skills is important. I think SATs bring a useful measure of accountability to schools without which it would be very easy for schools to write off children. Let’s not pretend that doesn’t happen.

I’ve had two children go through primary school, with the last one leaving this year. Their curriculum has been interesting and useful to them, they can write well and have strong maths skills. Most of their peers are in a similar place. And this is in spite of the school being RI - and I would say most of the school’s problems are due to behavioral and social issues that are outside of the school’s control and which they are not funded to solve. I’m not happy with a dumbed down curriculum to mitigate against kids who can’t manage to sit still for 20mins.

Mengo · 07/04/2026 07:31

Noras · 07/04/2026 07:20

Education is the backbone of national development—and no two countries illustrate contrasting philosophies quite like China and the United Kingdom. Both boast centuries-old traditions of learning, but their modern systems differ profoundly in structure, expectations, and outcomes. While the UK promotes creativity and independence, China’s rigorous system emphasizes discipline, mastery, and effort. Each has its strengths, but recent global rankings and real-world performance suggest that China’s approach may be better at preparing students for the competitive realities of the 21st century.
Academic Discipline vs. Holistic Freedom
Perhaps the most striking difference lies in academic intensity. Chinese students face longer school days, heavier homework loads, and a stronger focus on foundational subjects like math, science, and languages. The high-stakes Gaokao (college entrance exam) is infamous, but it drives an unparalleled level of academic commitment across the country.
In contrast, UK students benefit from a broader, more holistic curriculum—one that values well-being, extracurricular activities, and critical thinking. While this encourages personal development, it can sometimes dilute academic rigor, especially in early years when foundational skills are most crucial.
PISA test results—international benchmarks of education quality—consistently show Chinese students outperforming their UK peers in math, science, and reading. It’s not because Chinese children are inherently smarter, but because their system demands more and instills stronger study habits early on.
Respect for Teachers and Authority
In China, teachers command deep respect. Classrooms are highly structured, with clear hierarchies and expectations. Students rarely interrupt, and educators are regarded not just as facilitators but as moral guides and subject-matter experts. The result is fewer classroom disruptions and more instructional time.
In the UK, the relationship between teacher and student is more casual, which can foster open dialogue and creativity—but also leads to challenges with discipline and engagement, especially in underfunded schools.
This cultural difference plays a major role in outcomes. Where UK teachers often battle for attention, Chinese educators benefit from a culture that places learning and authority at the center of youth development.
Emphasis on Effort Over Talent
One of the quiet strengths of the Chinese system is its belief in effort over innate ability. Success isn’t attributed to being naturally gifted, but to hard work—a mindset that drives persistence and resilience. Students are taught early that excellence is earned, not inherited.
By contrast, the UK—like much of the West—often praises talent and originality. While this nurtures individuality, it may also lead some students to give up early if they don’t see themselves as “naturally good” at a subject.
China’s emphasis on effort democratizes success: any child, with enough focus and discipline, can rise.
Innovation vs. Mastery: The Trade-Off
To be fair, China’s strengths in structure and discipline sometimes come at the cost of creativity and mental well-being. Students are under immense pressure, and rote learning can limit imaginative thinking. The UK system, meanwhile, cultivates debate, expression, and innovation—key ingredients for entrepreneurship and design.
Yet as China reforms its education system, blending traditional rigor with creative programs, it may soon achieve the best of both worlds. Initiatives to reduce homework, reform university admissions, and expand STEAM learning (Science, Tech, Engineering, Arts, Math) are already underway.
Conclusion
The UK and Chinese education systems represent two ends of a philosophical spectrum: one centred on discipline, effort, and collective achievement; the other on individuality, balance, and expression.
But in a world of global competition—where foundational skills, resilience, and long-term focus matter more than ever—it’s hard to ignore the edge the Chinese model provides. A bit more structure, respect for effort, and academic intensity may be just what Western systems need to re-energize future generations.

Can the two even be compared? We have very different cultures, child rearing methods. We could no more recreate/emulate those methods than they would ours.

Would we not be better to look towards schooling methods that would stand a chance within our culture? Perhaps look at Finland and their consistently outstanding and child-led education system?

DeafLeppard · 07/04/2026 07:31

I also think the people who object to Gove also object to the Michaela style schools and for reasons that very much feel ideological in their basis, not outcome based.

LancashireButterPie · 07/04/2026 07:33

merrycola · 06/04/2026 22:19

I only used ai because if I hadn’t it would have been gove is a swearword who swearword and swearword and it would have been reported in 5 mins.
it helps me organise my thoughts and disguises my real voice (which for obvious reasons I’d want to hide going around having opinions like this) 😬

Edited

Don't apologise OP.
AI is here and it's stupid to pretend it doesn't exist. The same was said about calculators, computers, data bases and any new inventions through time.

MyDeftDuck · 07/04/2026 07:33

I totally agree!
Reading the Maths GCSE Revision workbook was an eye opener compared to the ‘O’ Level Maths I studied for.
And a pp is correct, learning should be fun.

Noras · 07/04/2026 07:34

The UK has to compete on a World stage that is the issue and something that was not the case 30 years ago.

We are now far more international and people migrate for better jobs and opportunities which did not happen as much 30 years ago. The UK was falling behind and something needs to be done.

It might not be political to say but teaching also has to overcome huge influxes of non English speaking students in the last 20 years in a way never seen before that would have impacted resources. We also had a birth surge in 2000 that has since abated.

So internationalism seems to have something to deal with it all .

To blame everything on Grove seems simplistic.

As for Singapore

A tiny Asian island state of just 728 square kilometres with 5.7m inhabitants cannot be ignored when discussing educational transformation and the role of assessment.
Singapore is an educational super-power. Near the top of all international comparisons, 97% of students continue in education after 18.
This has been achieved through a structured, centralised approach, a prescribed national curriculum and relatively uniform classroom teaching and practice. Traditionally Singapore has emphasised rote learning, memorisation, and hard work with high stakes examination success the goal.
Singapore’s PISA Rankings Over Time

Needspaceforlego · 07/04/2026 07:36

Chocolateforbreakfasttoday · 07/04/2026 07:19

I’ve been a primary teacher in Scotland for 27 years. No Gove, no Ofsted, different curriculum and different culture. Yet it’s still a shitshow up here. There has to be more to it.

The common factor has to be politicians copying each other.
Taking bits of other systems and using them in isolation.

Surely the logical starting point is getting an educational committee together and figure out what the country needs from the education system.

It gets me that thousands of teachers all over the country are searching twinkl for worksheets. Surely to goodness there should be a circulumn that all teachers are following, and supplementing if necessary, not thousands teachers all hunting for the same information.

Mengo · 07/04/2026 07:36

Araminta1003 · 07/04/2026 07:27

English literature is not a compulsory GCSE, only English language is in England, which is more „applied“ arguably.
62 per cent of kids passed all elements of KS2 SATS in 2025.
I think about 43 per cent take A levels. A levels were always hard and „advanced“. People constantly talk about grade inflation but last year only 4043 pupils got 3 A stars out of 313000 sitting A levels (not all took 3).

The issue with the GCSEs is the lack of enough foundation levels and interim levels and more flexibility. Education should be more tailored to ability but they don’t want to fund this and schools can’t offered a tailored programme based on need within the current structure.
The percentage passing GCSE maths and English is around 60 per cent too and mirrors KS2 somewhat.

40 per cent of kids don’t pass and the education system has to also focus on giving them a pathway that does not write them off/kill their confidence. Other countries have tiers and streams but that is not politically fashionable here. It’s all about comprehensive and one size fits all from the start.

But in secondary most are streamed? Particularly in English and maths.
Most non academic children now struggle to access a more practical based education that was available a few years ago. Academies (now 80% of secondary schools) have often forgone these in favour of pushing academics to all.

JumpinJellyfish · 07/04/2026 07:38

ApplebyArrows · 07/04/2026 07:22

I think there is a fair distinction to be made though between what is taught vs what is mandatory at GCSE. Should all kids be taught Shakespeare at some point? Yes. Should they all be required to sit and exam on it at age 16? More doubtful. Humanities teaching is important but I'm not sure literature needs to be given more primacy than history or music or whatever: subjects which also have key benefits but are not required at GCSE level.

As far as I know English literature is not mandatory. And I wasn’t arguing that it should be given primacy over other humanities; it was the example given by a pp in a context implying that none of the humanities were worthwhile in an age of AI and social media.

bobby81 · 07/04/2026 07:38

Absolutely agree OP. I feel sad that my children are of an age where this has affected their whole education. The only saving grace has been some truly wonderful teachers who have tried so hard to make the best of a difficult situation.

DeafLeppard · 07/04/2026 07:39

I think teaching unions need to hold their hands up too - I thought they had pushed back strongly against any kind of central resource planning as it removes teacher autonomy?

Also if you want outcomes like Singapore and Finland, you need parents to behave in the same way that parents in Singapore and Finland do. Hint: they probably aren’t threating their teachers with violence because they took a phone off Lily-Mae.