AIBU to be horrified by Charles and Camilla visiting the US?

[LunaTheCat]

I am just horrified Charles and Camilla are going to US ? Does anybody else feel the same way. ( I am sure they are not relishing the thought either 🤣).
Likely British “soft diplomacy’ and they are going at request government.
Trump has crossed a line into fascism .. there is a point at wish you draw a line in the sand and I think the current US regime is the line.

Do you think we should have cosied up to Hitler, too?

I agree with you that criticisms of the US as some sort of uniquely bad superpower lack historical context. It’s the best superpower the world has ever seen, in terms of how it treats its citizens and others. Hopefully that’s because there’s a durable historical trend not becuase we’re in an aberration.

But I also think criticism of the British legacy over 300 yrs suffers the same kind of myopia. There is plenty of harm in that record but also the (largely British) birth of industrialisation, and modern medicine, communications and institutions. To say that on balance Britain’s is a harmful legacy fails to grasp just how tough, poor and brutal pre-modern life was almost everywhere.

The Trump is Hitler idea is grotesquely overblown and minimises some of the worst crimes of the modern era.

But let’s run with it for now.

What was shameful about the Windsors visit was the very personal admiration for Hitler and the Nazi reich that they showed. No one things Charles is a fan of Trump and the US ‘reich’ that he’s going to celebrate is the 250 year old republic.

If you mean, should govts engage with leaders they dislike, again, let’s run with your Hitler analogy. Was it immoral for Chamberlain to have sought peace in 1938? (Open question, I think it can be argued both ways).

The Afro-Americans might disagree seeing as they were shackled in slavery for years after the British abolished it in their empire.

Just realised you are probably a Trump bot. Never mind.

I agree. I don’t want any of them coming here. Our friends in the UK don’t like the Royals, they’re embarrassed of them.

There is a change.org petition getting going to try and stop this. Please sign! https://c.org/KW6YDbtFYR

I'm all in favour of diplomacy and the soft power that the royals have in relation to Trump but if the US goes ahead with blitzing Iran and targeting civilian infrastructure, I really can't see how the visit can take place in the midst of that

Trump wouldn't have the decorum not to somehow involve the king in proclaiming victory

And the optics, if the war is still on, of the king and queen at a formal glitzy banquet wouldn't go down well here, IMO

I think Charles is possibly the only person on the planet that Trump admires and might take notice of. Maybe Charles could hypnotise him into behaving like a vaguely normal president for the next couple of years 🙏🙏

Yes absoltuy they should go and I hope he makes time to see his son and grandchildren.

Why? If he does, he knows there is a huge risk that any conversation will be gleefully repeated to media (with the usually whiny slant).

Harry has spent his time since leaving the family whinging and telling ‘his truth’ against his family. He can’t be trusted.

Trump is just a temporary pimple on the face of the US and will soon be gone. The state visit is about much longer term relations between two nations.

I agree that the visit should go ahead as between two nations - the UK needs to find a way of keeping good relations with the US - good luck to them with that ...

But I do not think that Trump is just a blip - the repercussions of what he has done and is doing are not going to go away any time soon; and the fact that he is able to get away with all this indicates that there are many many people in the US who back him - they are not going away any time soon either.

This is big .........

And Trump obviously thinks that Charles will come back and tell Starmer to do x, y and z. He is too thick to understand the very limited power of the King.

He is visiting on behalf of the UK government - and given how Trump is obsessed with slagging off said country (not just the government) the visit should not go ahead

I assume that people with much closer knowledge of all concerned think it is at least worth a try sending the King over because Trump may listen to him where he doesn't listen to anyone else. If you watch The Crown, you get the occasional interesting glimpse of how Queen Elizabeth was effectively used from time to time for diplomatic ends, and indeed sometimes she suggested it herself. I'm sure that still goes on.

Unfortunately he's more than a pimple. Given the strength and depth of his support, he has to be viewed as a big pustulating boil. Unfortunately getting rid of him won't get rid of the underlying infection of MAGA nutcases, but the more we can do to neutralise them, the better.

And a country that can’t prevent the president going totally batshit and invading places to distract from potential bad publicity is definitely messed up