AIBU to be horrified by Charles and Camilla visiting the US?

[LunaTheCat]

I am just horrified Charles and Camilla are going to US ? Does anybody else feel the same way. ( I am sure they are not relishing the thought either 🤣).
Likely British “soft diplomacy’ and they are going at request government.
Trump has crossed a line into fascism .. there is a point at wish you draw a line in the sand and I think the current US regime is the line.

Maybe not China, but very much moving to India. Definitely out of the US.

Exactly this! 😂

Well, in fairness, @LittleTown is not wrong.

I personally wouldn’t be moving anything to India in this situation. Trump doesn’t always tell the truth but he’s been consistent in his messaging to American companies and many foreign firms are already moving production to America.

You’re being ridiculous. But I’m not surprised, based on the other threads about the States.

Indeed. Trump will pull out if NATO on this and claim Greenland.
He knows Europe won’t/csn’t go to war with the US over it

The move to India and shutting down of operations in the US has already happened/ is happening. Trump is not good for US economy whatever he himself is saying.

If they just didn’t go? Nothing. If it came out that it was floated as a possibility and they refused to go because Trump was the president? I’d read that as “FUCK YOU FOREVER, AMERICA” and be pissed off. The relationship - good or bad - between the two countries existed before Trump and will exist after Trump, and it would be hugely shortsighted to disregard decades of close alliance over one man who’ll be out of office in a few years and probably dead in a few more.

What you guys - sorry, “you lot” - on Mumsnet never seem to understand is that Americans, by and large, really like the British. We had each other’s backs in WWII, which is not as far in the distant past as it may seem when millions of children of WWII veterans are still alive. You gave us a lot of our artistic culture and pop culture. We love listening to your accents. We flew our flags at half-mast when the Queen died and we woke up at insane hours to watch your royal weddings live. We don’t do that for anybody else. You’re like the big brother who used to pick on us, but now we’ve grown up and we think you’re awesome, even when you get on our nerves. The reason the phrase “special relationship” stuck is because it resonated.

Elizabeth II always understood this, and fortunately, Charles does too.

It would simply be a 'fuck you Trump' imho.
We really like you too.
A lot of us see no need or purpose for the royal family.

LOL, Britain subjugated the globe to the point that “the sun never set on the British Empire,” but you don’t see us vowing to NEVER forget and stew in our historical grievances.

I know, production has been moving abroad for decades, I am just saying at this point in time , I wouldn’t move production to India , your firm has .It’s not as if Trump hasn’t spelt out he is very unhappy with things like the carry trade and wants to see push back which there now is.

just pointing out that there is policy here and something companies have to think about, many have moved from Germany to the USA for example and these moves are often incredibly quick.

But the occasion isn’t about Trump, is it? It’s about the US’s 250th “birthday.”

If your sister is having a landmark birthday and you skip the party because you can’t stand the guy she’s dating, it’s all well and good to claim, “I didn’t skip your party because of you! I skipped your party because I can’t stand your current boyfriend!” But long after the boyfriend has been tossed on the rubbish heap of history, your sister is always going to remember that you blew off her big day because your animosity towards her boyfriend outweighed your affection for her.

Maybe the royals will be issuing an apology to the orange one and offering an explanation, who knows? And yes, plenty of significant sex offending men in the US who need to be brought to account re the Epstein files😐

Or she might say 'I totally understand, he was a moron'

Don't I?

The fact that major US firms move their operations out of the US should worry all Americans. Trump has been in power long enough now to have managed to avoid for that to happen if they had confidence in him and his economy.

Which bit do you disagree with? I have to say, if I wanted to call somebody ridiculous for making a post like this, I’d be very specific about which bit, just in case anybody thought I was supporting a convicted felon and sexual abuser.

They do seem to have just (ironically) shot themselves in the foot there, don’t they? 😆

If her boyfriend was a rapist and paedophile, I'd be hoping some day she would understand my reasons.

Yes, it’s a ridiculous analogy because in this scenario you’d be being publicly hosted by said rapist, shaking hands with him, sitting next to him in photographs while knowing he’s also violently attacking other people while impacting their human rights, cost of living and risking nuclear war. Not just the average pedophile going out with your sister then…

Also, the people that think that Trump’s recent impacts can just be easily reversed should he / his cronies be voted out are living in cloud cuckoo land. Not to mention his attacks on an impartial and secure voting system…

Also - tell the loved ones of people that have died due to the regime that…

Personally, I’d make a brief appearance at the party anyway, just so the boyfriend couldn’t spin my non-appearance as, “see, they don’t care about you - it’s us against the world. I’m the only one who’s really there for you.”

But whether the analogy works for you or not, it’s diplomatically stupid to piss off the population of a country that, historically, really likes yours.

And you understand the realpolitik of this visit more than ‘horrified’ idiots who don’t have the slightest idea about how power and diplomacy work.

In a very unstable world, this visit is a win for Britain.

Definitely this, I'm sure they don't want to go but need to. Not going would cause even bigger problems.

The tour was by invitation of the president when he visited here, the date was set months ago before this current madness. I’m pretty sure they would rather not go but I suspect the soft diplomacy the king has in his arsenal could be a last ditch attempt to persuade Trump to stop this, no one else has but his is in awe to our monarchy

I could have believed that it was a one-off when he first got elected. Now that it's happened twice it's clear that the US is never more than four years from electing a lunatic.