To say that there should be some adult only options?

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Pubs making the decision to ban children

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@Icecreamandcoffee I actually think it’s a great idea to be both child and dog free in some places) if it’s economically viable), because that really creates an upscale atmosphere for a nice meal out. I love my dog but he doesn’t need to be in places where people are dressed up and out for a lovely dinner. Same with my children when they were younger. Now they’re young adults and would love a posh meal out (esp. if parents are paying). 🤣

No, but the poster I was responding to said the previous poster should find somewhere that doesn’t let children in after a certain time.Thereby assuming that poster wanted to go out in the evening;

It should be up to the landlord. No pub is required to allow, or disallow, children.

How am I ‘angry’ - I am just putting it out there as people on here are always complaining how the UK is anti-child - it’s not even anti-shit parenting as that seems to be acceptable too. 🤷‍♀️

That is exactly the market for this pub. It's all people celebrating something special, adults with adult children having a nice meal, couples (young and old), adult friends meeting. People naturally dress up a bit. It still feels like a pub and sells classic pub meals but it doesn't have children or dogs everywhere. It's nicely furnished and they make an effort to have the carpets cleaned regularly so it looks well looked after.

Quite a few newcomers to the area are always really judgemental about the pub on SM saying it can't possibly survive as dog and child free, however it is the busiest pub for miles. It also has a very loyal customer base. If anyone asks for recommendations for an adult celebration meal it's always top recommended.

Its not children l mind , its the parents who cant actually parent. Myake your children sit at the table, no one needs to hear thier devices on full volume, take them outside or home if they are going to scream constantly.

I think that is because it is easier to find pubs that are adults only in the evening, than it is to find one that is adults only all day.

I was in a pub for a meal at about 8pm yesterday.

There was a table with children, the mum and dad spoke to them quietly, played with them, fed them, when they got restless and weren't enjoying it anymore the parents cleared up all the mess that had been made and left.

The table just across from them had children, the parents were sitting and drinking and having a lovely time, the children ate then ran around nearly made a waitress drop a tray of drinks, nearly knocked a lady over but one of the people she was with caught her. They were running up to other people's tables touching the tables and getting closer and closer to the food on each table. Then one played a game where he threw chips on the floor in a path and then hopped from one chip to another so as not to touch the floor, resulting in trod in chips in a path along the floor. Meanwhile another child was playing with the cream coat hanging on the back of a woman's chair. When they left the floor, chairs and table were covered in food, tipped over drinks, ripped paper etc. It took two waitresess to clean it all up.

So I definitely agree with the posters saying it's parents not children that cause the issue. And I disagree it's up to the staff to control the issues or ask the parents to leave etc. I really don't think that would end well for the staff.

I believe draught soft drinks (which many more families will pick than all adult groups) have the highest mark up of everything in the pub so that likely helps families look a good choice

You seem to be taking this very personally! I'm talking generally, not a specific venue. Chill out, love. 😉

I like the pubs in Ireland, they're much more adult. I like a nice country pub roast with kids but I have to admit I don't like going for a drink with adults and have babies and small kids running around.

Sure, if you want the number of pubs to reduce exponentially.

If they think they can survive without the custom its really up to them, I have a child but I can see the appeal of a child free pub.

I think its sad that people cant control their children though, I have nothing against children being in pubs making a bit of noise and being normal children but Im seen some shocking behavior where parents let kids get under the feet of waiters carrying food, standing in front of service doors, pulling decorations off shelves etc I understand why people ger frustrated.

The 🙄is normally considered condescending, dismissive and rude. Then followed by the rant makes you sound quite angry. Sorry if you're not.

I didn't say the UK was anti child. Just that I felt their was a rise in people hating children and that more childfree spaces may help. I do agree that there are issues with some parents who have really low expectations of their childrens behaviour. But as I stated above I do see disdain towards normal childrens behaviour.

So... what do you actually mean when you say there should be some adult only spaces then, love?

As a cleaner, most adults need to be banned.
The toilets can be disgusting. Piss and shit all over the place. Toilets blocked full of shit too.

I'd like an option to eat out somewhere with my kids where Mumsnet posters won't be sitting watching every move we make and instead focus on their own shit 🙃

Nah, not biting, just don't care enough to argue with a stranger in the internet. Have a nice evening. 😊

Funny how you cared enough to say what should happen, but suddenly withdrew when it was time to explain how.

How is it entitled? It’s entitled to say that all public places should be child free but the balance is between family friendly/adults only.

We bought a pub nearly 10 years ago, it was struggling before we took it over but DH made a bold decision and decided he wanted a good old fashioned proper pub, the line between a pub and a restaurant is blurred these days. Together we looked at offerings in our village and surrounding villages and what works and what doesn’t. A pub with a garden, great that’s good for families, pubs tha more rely on food than alcohol sales, again, fine a family environment, this isn’t what he and then after some persuasion I agreed upon wasn’t going to work for us.

We went and turned it back into an old fashioned boozer.

No TV’s, no WiFi, no kids, no food menu.

If you’re hungry we’ve got peanuts, crisps and pickled eggs. Want wine, take your choice, we have red or white!

The only part that isn’t perhaps so traditional is the huge gin selection.

Nearly 10 years later it’s the busiest pub in the village and we have a lot of custom from neighbouring villages.

There is room for adult only and family pubs. It doesn’t have to be one or the other.

If you think that was a rant, then must be quite sensitive. The eye roll was by way of ‘How ridiculous’ and the comments I made were just an opinion, not a rant.

I still think it’s ridiculous to say we need more child friendly spaces when that is all we seem to have.

And in case of you misinterpreting my words, I am just stating my opinion.

I don’t care either way because I am already at the point where I have to avoid a lot of places (I can’t even get on a plane) so it makes no odds if they make the entire planet child friendly.

I don't know if I'm the sensitive one, you can't even get on a plane.

It's entitled because when you're saying something should happen that currently isn't, as opposed to you'd like it to, what that means is that you think hospitality venue owners ought to do something other than pitch for the customers they want.

People think they sound reasonable talking about balance, but the fact is that businesses make the decisions they think will best help them flourish. A venue that's child friendly, or indeed childfree, is doing that because they deem it the best way to run their business. They don't, and shouldn't, give consideration to whether someone whose pocket it isn't has abstract ideas about what the ratios should be.

I was 100% behind Jan Leeming when she made the controversial comments about kids spoiling her lunch. I'm pro adult-only pubs. Not just afrer 9 pm either, what about lunchtimes? Some places are too nice for visits to be spoiled by noise and disturbance from children. I've been to The Pig, it's blooming lovely and definitely not the right place for children to run about in.

The trouble is that a few badly behaved kids spoil it for the well behaved ones. Landlords don't want to have awkward confrontations about badly behaved or simply unsupervised children or to put their staff in that position.

People react badly to anything they consider criticism of their children.

I've seen children in pubs who have been lovely and no trouble but equally ones who are a nightmare and positively dangerous.

Back when I was a child pubs allowing children was unusual. If at an unfamiliar pub Dad would pop in and politely ask the landlord if he could bring his children in. Sometimes we'd be told to sit outside or to a children's or family room (and if so we all did, Dad never left us unaccompanied). However surprisingly frequently he'd be asked about couple of questions and told that as long as we sat politely didn't put feet on the furniture, shout or run around we could come in and sit away from the bar. That's the point, most people don't mind a couple of kids sitting with an adult talking at an appropriate volume, they don't want pubs over run with noisy kids, kids climbing on the furniture or playing noisy games.