Resident doctors synicsl strike again

[uneffingbelievable]

The resident doctors have once again announced a 6 day strike to co incide with a bank holiday weekend.

Whilst I support fair pay and working conditions I have lost all sympathy with them. This is not poverty when you are being paid as a whole package 40-95000 gross on a 44 hr week depending on your seniority.

The arguments about lack of jobs did not stack up with more jobs going to home graduates than IMGS despite the hysteria and a huge number of home graduates not even bothering to apply.

They are coming across as tone deaf and entitled or am I missing something.

This has the flavour of the Monty Python shed sketch. Just because conditions in other professions are also bad does not mean that this is OK.

That's because parents see it as a facilitating A level. Doesn't mean they do well in it ! And it's not needed for medicine these days anyway.

@Mischance It does matter in this context. So many doctors think they could have done these other jobs and get paid double. They have entirely rose tinted glasses and don’t look at the big picture or have detailed knowledge of how difficult it is to get those jobs. Way more competitive than being a doctor.

Maths A Level papers are available online, DH is a Russell Group maths professor, and this is categorically false.

The whataboutery (& 5 Yorkshiremen for those of us old enough) never ceases to amaze me.

Other jobs are hard too. But it's not a race to be the worst !

Disagreeing with strikes is everyone's right - many residents don't strike as they too don't agree. It's a right that everyone can make up their own minds.

No it isn't. If he's a maths professor he'll mainly teach FM level candidates who have also done well on entrance tests. A level maths is not designed for people going on to study at higher level.

Anyway, maths is not needed for medicine.

Please explain where this has been said. Not ever heard or read doctors being rude about other professions.

PA all these jobs have more than 1 employer do can leave if don't like pay and conditions. Doctors don't have this choice.

So they are comparing like with like .... punishing conditions with better pay ...

The doctors paint themselves to be the “worst” at every given opportunity! It’s a mantra that knows no end @mumsneedwine. All these dc have had a choice of career. They didn’t have to do medicine. They know it’s hard work and they strike and protest too much - they do think they are at the bottom and it’s not true.

Where has this been said ? You just repeating it doesn't make it true.

@mumsneedwine
No one here has claimed maths A level should be required for Medicine, and I agree with that. However when one speaks of ‘degree level material’ one generally means ‘post A level material’.

It is misleading to state, as you did at 9.17, that ‘the new version [of maths A level] has quite a lot that used to be degree level’.

Many degree programmes incorporate a review of, or course on, A level mathematics or pieces thereof. Students don’t like to see it categorised that way, so it is glammed up. HTH. I’ve sat on more than enough curriculum committees.

I'd just like to thank all medical staff working today while most of us slob around/walk the dog/sleep in. Every single person who gets shunted around every 6 months, with no say on location. Family life ? NHS doesn't care. Every one who works 13+ hour days, often being sworn at/physically abused/told they are a bit useless as they didn't attend one of 5 Unis. Paying ridiculous GMC and exam costs (why do they cost so much when marked by computer ??).

Thank you to the wonderful nursing staff, porters, cleaners etc who all earn more than the F1 today (it's is a good thing they earn more on a BH).

I won't be banging my pot to say thank you. I'll be supporting you on the picket lines and saying thank you whenever I can.

Then you are in disagreement with the JCQ whose quote that was 🤷‍♀️

My DS is working three 12 hour night shifts this weekend, in A and E please remember if there is a long wait , it's because of understaffing and life threatening incidents you are not aware of . A couple of weeks ago , there were long delays in an and e because a member of the public punched an A and E consultant and other staff and they had to evacuate and call security. The waiting patients were unaware of the events behind the scenes but they did have to wait a long time whilst the Drs recovered .

@mumsneedwine This was the 2019 change to A level maths.

There was input from university mathematicians, but it is not correct to say that university topics were introduced to A level. It is correct to say that the same high school curriculum as always began to be examined in slightly more depth. It is also correct that a greater emphasis on bridging topics to university maths was introduced to FM, but not to A Level maths.

I asked AI to find where any JCQ report said the revised Maths A level incorporated former degree level topics. It could not. If you are correct, please provide a reference.

Maths A level is harder because it is linear and because of the slight extra depth.

Doctors are very greedy. Forget about the Hippocratic Oath, they should take a Hypocritical Oath.

Are they greedy to expect that so many years of study and hard work should not drop them into a situation where they cannot do their job properly for sheer exhaustion? They know that patients are out at risk by this. Many fall by the wayside because it is too much; or emigrate; or work in pharmaceutical companies - all are a loss to our NHS.
They need both proper recompense for what this does to their lives, as well as a new approach to working hours - not easy I know because care needs to be fully covered.

I suspect you were very pleased with yourself when you wrote this. Unfortunately, nothing funny or impressive.

Please explain why doctors are hypocritical?

I am so sorry to hear about your OH. You are right. Early years are brutal and don't need to be. We need increased consultant and trainee posts to match the increase in population.

Early years are brutal and don't need to be. We need increased consultant and trainee posts to match the increase in population.

Definitely!

Not sure why you think anyone is interested in how or where you trained or your work experience.

This is a discussion about UK medical training and resident doctors striking.

I’m not sure every single doctor is exhausted. Don’t see this with DDs friends who are doctors or my neighbours Dads who both followed their father into the profession. Like others they expect to work hard and then reap decent rewards. And they do. But they are resilient and fulfilled. Every organisation has its issues but the NHS has a stupidly high budget but does too much. There needs to be reform. Until that is grasped and the sacred cow is no more, there’s not much that can be done. We don’t get good enough productivity from the nhs and that needs to change. It’s inefficient and clunky. Especially in the care of the elderly. In some areas it’s a disgrace, yet still we cling to it and cannot even access it as doctors are striking. They had the offer of training posts but won’t accept the offer.

Starmer, in his wisdom, has decided to withdraw the extra much needed training posts, ultimately punishing patients. He and his family will be fine, of course, having been PM.

I suspect this will backfire on Starmer. Not a good look. I wonder why it was not Streeting giving this ultimatum?

Punishing conditions with better pay..... And far more selective entry.